Horn Armature Schematic

[newshirt]

Does anyone have a horn armature schematic or wiring diagram? I know I can reverse-engineer this myself, but was hoping to compare my unwinding results with another known example.

Also, what gauge magnet wire works best?

Thanks!

[Tom Wesenberg]

Your armature looks fine from the pictures. Did it flunk the growler test?

[newshirt]

I just wanted to rewire it so it will last another 80 years.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by newshirt

I just wanted to rewire it so it will last another 80 years.

Cover the commutator and spray the armature with clear laquer. It will outlast both of us.

[SteveB31]

99% of the time they do not need to be rewired.

[MikeK]

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If you reverse engineer it keep in mind that magnetic field strength is determined by ampere-turns. That is what you need to match. Not simply wire length and gauge. This becomes a problem when you replace larger diameter old cotton covered enamel wire with same-gauge but smaller diameter modern cross-link polymer insulated magnet wire. You end up with either more turns from the same length, or less resistance from the same number of turns because of less length needed with the smaller new wire.***

If you use a different gauge, look up it's resistance per foot (or meter) and calculate how many turns will give the equivalent ampere-turns. If it is a series wound motor, for a different gauge you MUST involve the field resistance in the calculations as a series resistance when figuring amperes through the armature to match ampere-turns.

Motor acceleration from stop to running speed is a very complicated integration of several non-linear functions, so I'm not going to spill the math here. Simply put, if you want the same start/run characteristics try to stay near the original gauge and number of turns.

That armature appears to be in excellent shape. If it has a fault it is likely easily found and repaired without a complete rewind. Have fun.

*** Here's two 'cheat' methods to get new, thinner insulated wire to end up wound tight with the same number of turns: 1) build up the core slots with fiberglass tape to increase the spool diameter. 2) wind dental floss with several of the turns to take up space. Once you find what works on the first run (a few tries) the rest will be easy.

[Gregg-K]

Originally Posted by WardAZ

In my notes, the horn armature wire is 24 gauge magnet wire.

See the Model A News July/August 2006 for more lengthy tutorial.

Hi,

Does anyone happen to have a link to the Model A News article with the tutorial on the Sparton armature?

Thanks!
.. Gregg