The Ford Barn

Cheaterpete · 05-02-2016, 10:03 AM

I think mine sound awesome with Literio L100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WOFqhG1BYk

JSeery · 05-02-2016, 10:06 AM

Like the look!

Bored&Stroked · 05-02-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheaterpete

I think mine sound awesome with Literio L100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WOFqhG1BYk

Sounds great - but what about the 'Schneider Equipped'

Mike51Merc · 05-02-2016, 10:56 AM

The beat goes L R L R R L R L L R L R R L R L L

So every third beat is repeated on the same side twice instead of alternating. This alone doesn't explain the unique flathead sound because all V8 engines with 360 degree crankshafts have syncopated rhythms.

I think the flathead architecture contributes to the uniqueness, just like how a small block Ford sounds different from a Mopar or Chevy.

40cpe · 05-02-2016, 10:58 AM

What size engine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WOFqhG1BYk

30-9 · 05-02-2016, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aonemarine

my favorite!!
https://youtu.be/oPp-DfDRYX8

Love those air filters too. where they from?

sanborn · 05-02-2016, 12:29 PM

That is my engine! It's been so long since I built it, I cannot remember the exact CompCams grind---but it's the biggest one.

We do have a lot of compression for the street(9.6 to 1 ) but with the amount of overlap the engine will loose some running compression----so I think we will be OK. Also, the pistons and combustion chambers have been coated.

Also, the blue fuel you see in the pump bowl is 105 octane gas----available at a local station from a pump in the ground.

If you have questions, do not hesitate to ask.

aonemarine · 05-02-2016, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanborn

That is my engine! It's been so long since I built it, I cannot remember the exact CompCams grind---but it's the biggest one.

We do have a lot of compression for the street(9.6 to 1 ) but with the amount of overlap the engine will loose some running compression----so I think we will be OK. Also, the pistons and combustion chambers have been coated.

Also, the blue fuel you see in the pump bowl is 105 octane gas----available at a local station from a pump in the ground.

If you have questions, do not hesitate to ask.

You did a wonderful job on that one!! Awesome sound!!
Did you ever have it on the street?

hotcoupe · 05-02-2016, 12:38 PM

sanborn, how is it out on the road, does it have any low end? how fast have you spun the motor?
TOM

sanborn · 05-02-2016, 12:47 PM

If you look at the video, you will see a 40 Pickup----that's what I hope to install the engine in. I have had some serious health issues for the past 4 years that have prevented any work on the truck. Maybe some day!!!

aonemarine · 05-02-2016, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sanborn

If you look at the video, you will see a 40 Pickup----that's what I hope to install the engine in. I have had some serious health issues for the past 4 years that have prevented any work on the truck. Maybe some day!!!

Looking forward to seeing you finish it

Dont happen to have a spare set of those heads do you??

hotcoupe · 05-02-2016, 03:41 PM

sanborn, hope you regain your health. that truck and motor will be a great combination.
tom

Kahuna · 05-02-2016, 04:28 PM

I'm sure it's from the siamesed center ports. My engine has dividers that totally seal each port. The flathead sound is no more.

Cheaterpete · 05-03-2016, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 40cpe

What size engine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WOFqhG1BYk

It is a french flathead 255 ci

JSeery · 05-03-2016, 08:58 AM

Have to disagree on the Siamese center port idea, a lot of engines from the time period have the same arrangement but not the sound. The only things I see that is distinctive to the Ford flathead is the firing order and the exhaust ports through the water jackets. As an example, the Olds Rocket engine has the Siamese center port, but uses the same firing sequence as a lot of other V8 (same as Ford 289-302). A flathead has a different firing sequence, 1-5-4-8 the four corners, then 6-3-7-2 the four inside cylinders. It may well be the combination of all of these.

Note: Not a new concept, Ol Ron already suggested the firing order.

I was just playing around with the different firing sequences on paper.

Admiral · 05-03-2016, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JSeery

Have to disagree on the Siamese center port idea, a lot of engines from the time period have the same arrangement but not the sound. The only things I see that is distinctive to the Ford flathead is the firing order and the exhaust ports through the water jackets. As an example, the Olds Rocket engine has the Siamese center port, but uses the same firing sequence as a lot of other V8 (same as Ford 289-302). A flathead has a different firing sequence, 1-5-4-8 the four corners, then 6-3-7-2 the four inside cylinders. It may well be the combination of all of these.

Note: Not a new concept, Ol Ron already suggested the firing order.

I was just playing around with the different firing sequences on paper.

Do the Rocket's center exhaust ports come together or are they just next to each other a la the Chevy small block? As we all know, the flathead V8's center cylinders in each bank both dump into ONE exhaust port; from valve seat to manifold the exhaust in this area is free to mix and mingle. I think this is the major contributor to the Ford's unique sound, but I also believe its relatively low compression and exhaust configuration play important roles. The way these passages are routed through the block could reduce the gasses' exit velocity, partially muffling the sound. Just a few wild a** thoughts for a Tuesday morning.

JSeery · 05-03-2016, 09:35 AM

I'm still voting for the firing order.

AKCJ · 05-03-2016, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Fibber Mcgee

Thanks. That does make sense, so the end cylinders are the lower less pronounced tones and the center cylinders are the higher more pronounced tones giving it almost an uneven sound. I love the sound just never knew where it came from.

I would have thought that the end cylinders are the louder sound and the center cylinders are muffled by going through the center passage?

JSeery · 05-03-2016, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AKCJ

I would have thought that the end cylinders are the louder sound and the center cylinders are muffled by going through the center passage?

And canceling each other with the two cylinders going through the same passage.

Admiral · 05-03-2016, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JSeery

I'm still voting for the firing order.

Well there it is!

I did an image search for "Oldsmobile Rocket cylinder heads" and didn't see anything like that pop up. Must have missed it.

05-02-2016, 10:03 AM	#21
Cheaterpete Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 63	Re: Flathead sound. I think mine sound awesome with Literio L100 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WOFqhG1BYk

05-02-2016, 10:06 AM	#22
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Flathead sound. Like the look!

05-02-2016, 10:56 AM	#24
Mike51Merc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northeast Pennsylvania Posts: 1,582	Re: Flathead sound. The beat goes L R L R R L R L L R L R R L R L L So every third beat is repeated on the same side twice instead of alternating. This alone doesn't explain the unique flathead sound because all V8 engines with 360 degree crankshafts have syncopated rhythms. I think the flathead architecture contributes to the uniqueness, just like how a small block Ford sounds different from a Mopar or Chevy. Last edited by Mike51Merc; 05-02-2016 at 11:05 AM.

05-02-2016, 10:58 AM	#25
40cpe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Star, MS Posts: 4,024	Re: Flathead sound. What size engine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WOFqhG1BYk

05-02-2016, 12:29 PM	#27
sanborn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Shelbyville TN Posts: 174	Re: Flathead sound. That is my engine! It's been so long since I built it, I cannot remember the exact CompCams grind---but it's the biggest one. We do have a lot of compression for the street(9.6 to 1 ) but with the amount of overlap the engine will loose some running compression----so I think we will be OK. Also, the pistons and combustion chambers have been coated. Also, the blue fuel you see in the pump bowl is 105 octane gas----available at a local station from a pump in the ground. If you have questions, do not hesitate to ask.

05-02-2016, 12:38 PM	#29
hotcoupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: imperial,mo Posts: 694	Re: Flathead sound. sanborn, how is it out on the road, does it have any low end? how fast have you spun the motor? TOM

05-02-2016, 12:47 PM	#30
sanborn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Shelbyville TN Posts: 174	Re: Flathead sound. If you look at the video, you will see a 40 Pickup----that's what I hope to install the engine in. I have had some serious health issues for the past 4 years that have prevented any work on the truck. Maybe some day!!!

05-02-2016, 03:41 PM	#32
hotcoupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: imperial,mo Posts: 694	Re: Flathead sound. sanborn, hope you regain your health. that truck and motor will be a great combination. tom

05-02-2016, 04:28 PM	#33
Kahuna Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,617	Re: Flathead sound. I'm sure it's from the siamesed center ports. My engine has dividers that totally seal each port. The flathead sound is no more.

05-03-2016, 08:58 AM	#35
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Flathead sound. Have to disagree on the Siamese center port idea, a lot of engines from the time period have the same arrangement but not the sound. The only things I see that is distinctive to the Ford flathead is the firing order and the exhaust ports through the water jackets. As an example, the Olds Rocket engine has the Siamese center port, but uses the same firing sequence as a lot of other V8 (same as Ford 289-302). A flathead has a different firing sequence, 1-5-4-8 the four corners, then 6-3-7-2 the four inside cylinders. It may well be the combination of all of these. Note: Not a new concept, Ol Ron already suggested the firing order. I was just playing around with the different firing sequences on paper.