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08-28-2014, 04:50 PM | #41 | |
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Hey John, Very interesting is your inquiry. Maybe since you are involved in informing the engine builder just ...what Americans say, you could let us know whether he decided to use (farmer) shims or no Hm, wonder if he ever heard of Henry? |
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08-28-2014, 04:51 PM | #42 | |
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You are a funny guy...with CLASS, A..eh !! Shouldn't even ask what she looks like today...huh Last edited by hardtimes; 08-28-2014 at 04:53 PM. Reason: ........... |
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Hope the bullets aren't made of steel. They might magnetize to her bracelets.
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08-31-2014, 02:52 PM | #45 | |
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Thanks Vince , once again, for your great site into ! This time focused on types of shims , proper shimming and shimming vs no shimming informtion Put a smile right on my wrinkley face , as I've been ...reading and applying and sometimes that can be dangerous/costly ! In this case, I've followed some advice from other old timers , who essentially have said what you have written. Consequently, I now have a full pressure B short block with poured Babbitt without main/rod shims ! First time read of your writings here, re shims, adds confidence that such will be good ! However, I've got to wondering at what RPM did Ford drive dry short blocks with electricity ! When breaking in , 1200 rpms for X minutes is recommended. Do you have any idea what rpm, elect motor drove these engines ? Wonder if anyone here has ever tried to do as Ford did to break in their short block And, what HP motor do you suppose it would take to do the job ? I'm guessing my used wash machine motor wouldn't do, eh !! Last edited by hardtimes; 08-31-2014 at 02:55 PM. Reason: .......... |
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08-31-2014, 03:02 PM | #46 | |
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08-31-2014, 03:10 PM | #47 | |
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08-31-2014, 07:41 PM | #48 | |
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FWIW, I have shown that picture to several electrical engineers asking why the motor was so large, and I have been told these would likely be very low-speed, hi-torque electric motors. Therefore I would suspect the RPM to be well under 60 RPM. I also suspect the engines were not spun long on the dynamo as I see no evidence the pan nor the transmission had any oil added during that process. The reason I feel water was added during this process was to check for leaks due to porosity in the castings/gaskets/etc. As for the need to run-in, I think there are two key factors in saying No need. First, Ford used quality machines during the boring & honing process which ensured the cylinder case walls were as true as necessary for a good seal. Second, consumers back in the day understood the "break-in" process for a new vehicle, and since they accepted this process, then there was not a need to break-in a new engine at the factory. As for today, those of us who have good quality professional machines to do the engine machining processes find our rebuilt engines "sealing up" within minutes of the initial start-up. Last edited by BRENT in 10-uh-C; 09-01-2014 at 12:24 AM. |
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08-31-2014, 08:56 PM | #49 | |
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Frosted...ahhh, I can only dream ! 110 in the shade here ! At times 115 in my tiny work shed. Why even the four polish bars MELTED when set in direct sunlight for a short time. Picked up the container, and ha..noticed that it sagged a bit. Pocked with finger and all four bars were liguid..who knew that that could happen ! Several years ago I drove up and stayed 2 months in your beautiful state. Always said coming back you to stay 4 months..leaving sometime in Sept, as that's when we've determined that the snow/freezing storms can make first appearance. Anyway, yeah I've seen the HUGE motors that are in the same pics as the ford engines. And, the engines did appear somewhat complete. However, the engine still had to be broke in/burnished bearings..whatever it was named. Here's another question, (in my mind,eh ). When turning those engines over,i.e.- metal/metal..no lube (?), was that a very short (breakin) event or how could the heat be handled..to prevent galling/scoring, without coolant. I did not see anything that looked to be water hose ? Finally, Vince says that TERMS used to describe lifters are confusing. What confuses me, personally, is that a lot of smart guys here use the term motor ...when talking clearly about an engine Splain that to me please |
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As far as engines vs. motors, some people use Ford nomenclature to avoid confusion. The term Motors was the standard back during the Model-A era. |
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09-01-2014, 12:23 AM | #53 |
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Good catch! I'll go back and change that! Thanks!!
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09-09-2014, 10:42 PM | #54 | |
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09-09-2014, 10:45 PM | #55 |
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No need to change-the "engineers" are technically correct: "The Oxford English Dictionary defines “motor” as a machine that supplies motive power for a vehicle or other device with moving parts. Similarly, it tells us that an engine is a machine with moving parts that converts power into motion." See the reference in my other post
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