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jimvette59 · 05-15-2020, 02:19 PM

I use 20/50 Brad Penn only in my 59 Corvette .

craig · 05-20-2020, 08:44 PM

The scare from the lack of ZDDP has been around since the mid 70's. Most people didn't realize it and most Ford engines didn't suffer from it. Both small and big block Chevys are the ones that suffer the most with flat tappet cams. 1 out of 5 of those cams went flat even before the ZDDP was reduced. I don't get to concerned about the oil in my old Fords, but my Chevy friends do

Step-down · 09-02-2020, 02:28 PM

Is that Valvoline VR1 non-detergent

greenpondmike · 09-02-2020, 03:10 PM

No, VR-1 has detergents

greenpondmike · 09-02-2020, 08:34 PM

Sorry Paul, I still don't believe him. He is just like many I have seen on the web that says these things to calm down all those people like me that is angry with the epa for ruining our oil. He even has a link to that 540 ratblog that deceived me into using modern oil again. Anybody can write or say anything and if you mix it with the right catch phrases it could sound believable especially if one has a pedigree like he does. As I said, I was a teen in the 80s and also I had a truck by 84 and did my first oil change. Back then I used gulfpride 10w-40. Man, that was some good oil. Later on I used pennzoil 10w-40 and valvoline 10w-40 and even castrol 20w-50. Those oils were good back then compaired with the whimpy offerings they sell today at 2 or 3 times the price. I'm not ragging on you for believing that article, but I can't believe it myself. I mean, if zddp was enough in the 80s with that low level of zddp as the article says, then why did they increase it in the SG and SJ rated oils in the 90s--I mean, why did they feel the need to? The SG and SJ rated oils were the standard by which us old timers measure these modern oils by, but I think and from experience know the SF rated oils were better than that article say they were. There are websites all over the net telling this propaganda just so we will accept their "green epa friendly" oils at the severe risk of our old engines. Sorry if I sound angry--I am, but I'm also not ragging or downing anyone here--just disagreeing.

56sedandelivery · 09-03-2020, 10:49 AM

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There is quite a discussion over on the shelby forum on oils. Long thread but lots of info.
admittedly it is in a modern engine (5.4)

https://www.svtperformance.com/threa...l-poll.787413/

packrat5 · 09-03-2020, 05:01 PM

I just can't seem to deal with all of this oil controversy. I am still trying to come to grips with all of the engines that are going to fail from using lead free gas. How many years has that been now, 20? Or more?

Ford blue blood · 09-04-2020, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by packrat5

I just can't seem to deal with all of this oil controversy. I am still trying to come to grips with all of the engines that are going to fail from using lead free gas. How many years has that been now, 20? Or more?

Yup, the 351C in my 36 has 140K that I put on it and it was a junk yard 72 Ranchero engine with unknown miles on it. I gave it a rattle can overhaul, added a 4bbl and have run the crap out of it since. And by the way, the oil that goes in is NAPA 20W-40 with no issues. It gives 16 - 17 MPG, runs smooth but does use about a quart every 1K miles. No smoke, no leaks, just a well worn engine that has never left me sit.

50fordcoupeman · 09-03-2020, 06:12 PM

There is no need to have a pissing match over oil. OP had a legitimate question. Everyone can and will use whatever they want and always have!!

Gene F · 09-03-2020, 07:58 PM

In the end, make the best decision you can. Its your car.

50fordcoupeman · 09-03-2020, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gene F

In the end, make the best decision you can. Its your car.

Yes!!

Gene F · 04-04-2021, 07:30 PM

I use Lucas Hotrod too.

They did reduce the concentrations some years back. I'm afraid of wiping a cam lobe on flat tappet engines.

Bunch of guys in my Model-A club (I have one of those too) still swear by Shell Rotella-T. They do not realize that Rotella-T hasd been reformualted. They still buy oil based on brand. They do not understand you first buy oil based on the formual (chemistry) you want, then viscosity, then a brand you trust for consistensy and quality control. I am not wasting any more of my breath on people in my car clubs that are in their 80s and 90s.

I have used that Lucas addative, and I think that is some good stuff too!

KULTULZ · 04-05-2021, 06:50 AM

Ah, the ever familiar engine oil debate/controversy.

The only way to determine if a lubricant is working correctly with your engine is with frequent oil analysis and tear-downs.

Ford blue blood · 04-05-2021, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Ah, the ever familiar engine oil debate/controversy.

The only way to determine if a lubricant is working correctly with your engine is with frequent oil analysis and tear-downs.

Yup, that and running the crap out of it. If it lays down there must have been a problem. That ol pre lead free gas pre ZDDP free oil engine (351C) still ticking them off!

KULTULZ · 04-05-2021, 04:48 PM

I'll tell you what, I bought a used 73 RANCHERO 351CJ/FMX that would run with the best of them.

If I had another street runner, it would definitely be a 351C.

Bob T · 04-05-2021, 06:54 PM

I use regular oil and add a bottle of ZDDP [zinc ] to it. Will not start my engine without it.

KULTULZ · 04-06-2021, 01:25 AM

See VR-1 SPEC SHEET Below -

rotorwrench · 04-06-2021, 09:55 AM

I don't know why folks bring this old stuff back up. There must be more than a few other threads about this and many more on other forums. Folks can be told by an expert (of which I am not) that the ZDDP was added more for high performance engines with high valve spring pressures and lumpy cam shafts and even then, it was more for break in than for the life of the engine. Folks have a cam problem and the oil seems to be a convenient thing to blame. I've seen engines from the factory with miss drilled lifter bores and worn out cam lobes mostly due to quality control problems at manufacture. Y-blocks had some problems with top end oiling but not all of them. Most of these older engines had pretty tame cams and nothing special about the valve train. Any oil is better than none.

Use what ever you want but just make sure it has oil in it. Remember that racing engines generally fail sooner due to the extreme power usage and not so much about the oil that is utilized.

JeffB2 · 04-06-2021, 02:58 PM

This guy does all kinds of oil tests on all kinds of brands and out of his own pocket check him out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTyrc1zjKEA

JeffB2 · 04-06-2021, 03:00 PM

And since the Rotella subject came up again maybe this might clear up a few things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ml6vDdt2ig

05-15-2020, 02:19 PM	#1
jimvette59 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Perry OH Posts: 1,336	Re: oil with out zink I use 20/50 Brad Penn only in my 59 Corvette .

05-20-2020, 08:44 PM	#2
craig Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: The Inland Empire of Washington State Posts: 368	Re: oil with out zink The scare from the lack of ZDDP has been around since the mid 70's. Most people didn't realize it and most Ford engines didn't suffer from it. Both small and big block Chevys are the ones that suffer the most with flat tappet cams. 1 out of 5 of those cams went flat even before the ZDDP was reduced. I don't get to concerned about the oil in my old Fords, but my Chevy friends do

09-02-2020, 02:28 PM	#3
Step-down Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Hat City (Danbury CT) Posts: 647	Re: oil with out zink Is that Valvoline VR1 non-detergent __________________ "I can't cry as long as I know the Lord has risen "

09-02-2020, 03:10 PM	#4
greenpondmike Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: McCalla, Alabama Posts: 32	Re: oil with out zink No, VR-1 has detergents

09-02-2020, 08:34 PM	#5
greenpondmike Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: McCalla, Alabama Posts: 32	Re: oil with out zink Sorry Paul, I still don't believe him. He is just like many I have seen on the web that says these things to calm down all those people like me that is angry with the epa for ruining our oil. He even has a link to that 540 ratblog that deceived me into using modern oil again. Anybody can write or say anything and if you mix it with the right catch phrases it could sound believable especially if one has a pedigree like he does. As I said, I was a teen in the 80s and also I had a truck by 84 and did my first oil change. Back then I used gulfpride 10w-40. Man, that was some good oil. Later on I used pennzoil 10w-40 and valvoline 10w-40 and even castrol 20w-50. Those oils were good back then compaired with the whimpy offerings they sell today at 2 or 3 times the price. I'm not ragging on you for believing that article, but I can't believe it myself. I mean, if zddp was enough in the 80s with that low level of zddp as the article says, then why did they increase it in the SG and SJ rated oils in the 90s--I mean, why did they feel the need to? The SG and SJ rated oils were the standard by which us old timers measure these modern oils by, but I think and from experience know the SF rated oils were better than that article say they were. There are websites all over the net telling this propaganda just so we will accept their "green epa friendly" oils at the severe risk of our old engines. Sorry if I sound angry--I am, but I'm also not ragging or downing anyone here--just disagreeing. Last edited by greenpondmike; 09-02-2020 at 09:27 PM.

09-03-2020, 10:49 AM	#6
56sedandelivery Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Arkansas Posts: 528	Re: oil with out zink Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) There is quite a discussion over on the shelby forum on oils. Long thread but lots of info. admittedly it is in a modern engine (5.4) https://www.svtperformance.com/threa...l-poll.787413/

09-03-2020, 05:01 PM	#7
packrat5 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 301	Re: oil with out zink I just can't seem to deal with all of this oil controversy. I am still trying to come to grips with all of the engines that are going to fail from using lead free gas. How many years has that been now, 20? Or more?

09-03-2020, 06:12 PM	#9
50fordcoupeman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: LaGrande Oregon Posts: 866	Re: oil with out zink There is no need to have a pissing match over oil. OP had a legitimate question. Everyone can and will use whatever they want and always have!!

09-03-2020, 07:58 PM	#10
Gene F Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,001	Re: oil with out zink In the end, make the best decision you can. Its your car.

04-04-2021, 07:30 PM	#12
Gene F Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,001	Re: oil with out zink I use Lucas Hotrod too. They did reduce the concentrations some years back. I'm afraid of wiping a cam lobe on flat tappet engines. Bunch of guys in my Model-A club (I have one of those too) still swear by Shell Rotella-T. They do not realize that Rotella-T hasd been reformualted. They still buy oil based on brand. They do not understand you first buy oil based on the formual (chemistry) you want, then viscosity, then a brand you trust for consistensy and quality control. I am not wasting any more of my breath on people in my car clubs that are in their 80s and 90s. I have used that Lucas addative, and I think that is some good stuff too!

04-05-2021, 06:50 AM	#13
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,550	Re: oil with out zink Ah, the ever familiar engine oil debate/controversy. The only way to determine if a lubricant is working correctly with your engine is with frequent oil analysis and tear-downs. __________________ *** - AT MY AGE, ONE APPRECIATES A STURDY HANDRAIL -**

04-05-2021, 04:48 PM	#15
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,550	Re: oil with out zink I'll tell you what, I bought a used 73 RANCHERO 351CJ/FMX that would run with the best of them. If I had another street runner, it would definitely be a 351C. __________________ *** - AT MY AGE, ONE APPRECIATES A STURDY HANDRAIL -**

04-05-2021, 06:54 PM	#16
Bob T Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 123	Re: oil with out zink I use regular oil and add a bottle of ZDDP [zinc ] to it. Will not start my engine without it.

04-06-2021, 09:55 AM	#18
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,482	Re: oil with out zink I don't know why folks bring this old stuff back up. There must be more than a few other threads about this and many more on other forums. Folks can be told by an expert (of which I am not) that the ZDDP was added more for high performance engines with high valve spring pressures and lumpy cam shafts and even then, it was more for break in than for the life of the engine. Folks have a cam problem and the oil seems to be a convenient thing to blame. I've seen engines from the factory with miss drilled lifter bores and worn out cam lobes mostly due to quality control problems at manufacture. Y-blocks had some problems with top end oiling but not all of them. Most of these older engines had pretty tame cams and nothing special about the valve train. Any oil is better than none. Use what ever you want but just make sure it has oil in it. Remember that racing engines generally fail sooner due to the extreme power usage and not so much about the oil that is utilized. Last edited by rotorwrench; 04-06-2021 at 07:04 PM.

04-06-2021, 02:58 PM	#19
JeffB2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 1,417	Re: oil with out zink This guy does all kinds of oil tests on all kinds of brands and out of his own pocket check him out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTyrc1zjKEA

04-06-2021, 03:00 PM	#20
JeffB2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 1,417	Re: oil with out zink And since the Rotella subject came up again maybe this might clear up a few things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ml6vDdt2ig