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11-28-2021, 05:25 AM | #1 |
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Decided against turn signals.....what about this idea?
There are many model A owners that swear by their add-on turn signals, and I can see where they would be a great addition to a daily driver......but.....I really hate the look of them. I want my model A to have the look of the old days.
Sooooo, what about this idea: Mini Strobe Beacon Safety Flasher Warning Light / Magnetic Base Mount https://www.ebay.com/itm/154223944800?var=454334244660 This is a hand-held red strobe light. It would likely be seen and recognized by those who are not used to seeing anyone using hand signals. It blinks, and is red, similar to modern turn signals. It has a magnetic base that might be handy for keeping it somewhere in the driver's area, when not being used. Well, yes......you still have to roll down your window!.....but your model A retains the old-timey look that I'm hoping to preserve. What do you think of this? |
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Would you stick it out the passenger window for right turns?
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No.....use like you would normally do for regular hand turn signals.
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Not for me…..
Seems like just enhanced arm signals from long ago. Btw, I’ve not seen an arm signal for turns out a drivers window in 25 years. Now I’ve seen a few “finger signals” fairly often!! |
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Do you have added turn signals on your model A?
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I could easily install one of the turn signal kits on my model A.....but, like I said, they just look out of place. |
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I bought a pair of old turn signal lights with the arrow shaped lenses I plan to restore and use on front and add original style tail light on right for my AA project.
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With all due respect if turn signals look out of place, this will look ridiculous. People will think a kid is playing a game.
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Beacuse holding a flashing light in your hand then trying to put it somewhere when turning is safe.....
Have a search for mini LED lights, plenty of super small versions available now custom bike builders use. I have these on one of my HDs, you wouldnt notice them on a Model A until they get turned on. https://roadsiderepairshop.com/produ...-dyna-xl-black
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What is not to like about turn signals ? You don't like the switch ?
There is no need to change or add anything to the outside of the vehicle. |
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Obviously, You make a very valid point!
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I use the tail lights and cowl lights for turn signals, so there is no exterior change in appearance from the original Model "A".
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I have added turn signals on my '29 Tudor. Sitting in the driver's seat, you can see the controller on the side of the steering column. There is NOTHING on the outside of the car that isn't on the original, all turn signal lights are part of the stock-looking lights of the car.
Many use the cowl lights. I use the second bulb (double contact) in the headlight can. And, of course, the tail lights in the back. Properly done, there is nothing to "hate the look of them". |
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“There are many model A owners that swear by their add-on turn signals, and I can see where they would be a great addition to a daily driver......but.....I really hate the look of them. I want my model A to have the look of the old days.”
I understand this sentiment completely, and for years did not add a passenger-side tail/brake light or turn signals and kept my car completely stock to preserve its original look. I also drove the car about 100 miles per year. However, after starting to drive my Model A in daily traffic several years ago, I quickly realized most drivers today don’t recognize hand signals and aren’t attentive enough to recognize a single tail/brake light. Sooo….to avoid being rear-ended and be able to drive safely in modern traffic, I did add a passenger-side light and added LogoLites LED turn signals. I also upgraded all lighting except cowl light to LEDs. I’m now much more confident that other drivers will see me and have put about 2000 incident-free miles on the car this past year. Good luck with whatever decision you make. Jim Last edited by Conaway2; 11-28-2021 at 09:45 AM. |
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Well, Old31 that was kinda harsh don't ya think? People come here to get help, and discuss ideas. Just because someone has a different idea, or opinion doesn't make it wrong.
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A couple of years ago I was driving on a state highway and signaling a left hand turn with my arm. There was on-coming traffic with a car behind gaining fast on me. The fool past me into the coming traffic. After the shock and anger subsided I realized the offending driver had no clue what hand signals are. I ordered and installed signals before taking the car out again.
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EOG,
I can see both sides of this for sure. I sure like the look of a original unmolested car and its spartan features. But: I will use my truck as an example. I bought this truck and it had been off the road since 1952. (70 years) So the truck was 20 years old (a 32 model) when retired. The original owner had installed aftermarket turn signals on the front fenders, the arrow type, Also headlights had been changed to sealed beam. rear stops lights had been added, with dual bulbs for signals. reflectors had been added to every corner of the dump bed too. Fast forward 70 years and the roads are not nearly as safe for these older slower vehicles. Hand signals are a thing of the past, other than a central finger showing you that your number "one"! I chose to add all the signals and lights that I felt were appropriate and safer as I travel the highways today in that ol' truck. Just my two cents for what its worth. Its your vehicle, do what makes you comfortable on the roads. Have fun getting out and enjoying it too! Regards, Chris
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I have turn signals only in my taillights, and the switch is just a small toggle switch that I have mounted in plain sight but could easily be mounted under the dash rail, out of sight. I bought the system from Speedway Motors.in Nebraska.
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If I had cowl lamps, I might be a little more interested in turn signals. Here in Montana, local traffic isn't as hectic as in some other places, so this strobe idea does make some sense to me. There are times when there is no other traffic at all.....and, I don't bother to even give a signal! In my local model A club, there are those who do and don't have turn signals. I still see FB as a resource for me and my 28ccpu. Have a good day, gentlemen (and ladies, if there are any on here!) EOG Last edited by Eccentric Old Guy; 11-28-2021 at 01:09 PM. |
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You Want truck original but you put bumpers on it?
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i have to say i don't like the idea.
but there are a a lot of things i don't like.
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i wonder what the cops will say to you when they see it?
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It had the bumpers when I bought it, and they don't interfere with the old time look, because they are "period correct". I probably wouldn't add the bumpers, if thy weren't already there.....but, they do add some protection, if I ever get rear ended.....because of that, I'm kinda glad they're there ! |
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Henry used safety glass and installed shock absorbers in the interest of safety. They added to the price of a new car which went against what he wanted but he did it anyway to protect his customers' lives. If they were available, I bet he would have put turn signals on too.
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I have to agree with Ken Bolton above. I'm not sure that many drivers these day even know what hand signals are anymore. I too, had an experience several years back where I was signaling a left hand turn only to have a much younger driver pass me on the left even with a solid center line (I presume because I was slowing down for the turn). That incident taught me to now crowd the center of the road if it happens to be something other than a main thoroughfare where there might be actual turn lanes. While I don't have them on all of our cars (yet), I am looking to add them as time and finances permit. And like Bob Bidonde above, I have used the cowl lights and tail lights on the one car that these have been added on to thus far - and rather than use a turn signal lever off the steering column, I chose instead to use the toggle switch sold by S/M Electro-Tech Inc. and have mounted it to where it just barely shows in the center just below the dash rail (68C). I still haven't figured out what to use in the front on those cars that don't have cowl lights, but hopefully I still have a little time to figure out something that will at least be somewhat "era sensitive".
Having said this, anything that you might do to call attention to your plans to make a turn would seem to prove helpful ... and there are multiple ways to "skin a cat". Good luck on this - I hope that this method will work well for you. |
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At this point, the strobe is nothing more than an experiment. I hope it works out, too.....but, I don't discount the possibility that someday I might end up with turn signals. Like I said before, there are others in my local club that don't have them, and don't intend to get them. For now, I feel the same....but, who knows! |
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They are activated by spring loaded toggle switch under the dash rail and self cancel after 15 seconds unless you have the brake on. The controller is hidden behind the left kick panel so no hardware or wiring is visible. http://www.turnswitch.com/ Last edited by GPierce; 11-28-2021 at 06:31 PM. |
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I keep hearing this term "period correct". I think it means some improvement made at or around a time when the car was new or at least "newer". Many seem to think that if the change is "period correct" it is ok to modify their car that way. I have decided that I am trying to drive this car on roads today, and this is the "period" I live in now, so for the sake of my safety and the safety of others, I better have a modification that today's drivers understand. That will probably not include hand signals, strobe lights, etc. Good luck to all and I hope you stay safe!
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Old Guy, I don't like the looks of turn signals either, esspecially those GM side marker looking lights that mount between the bumper bars. Or the switch hanging off of the steering column. I have a DPDT toggle switch under the dash rail and use small 2" "bullet" lights on the rear that resemble the headlight shells. Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 11-28-2021 at 06:09 PM. |
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Maybe some L.E.D.s that would fit between the bumper bars if you have bumpers. Using hand signals might cause road rage .
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Some here feel that hand signals won't be recognized by other drivers, and the same problem may occur with the trafficators. Even in this attached photo, the trafficator is difficult to recognize: |
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I have turn signals on my 29 and I like them but they do look out of place in my opinion. As for my 31 Victoria project they never had them and I am going for original. To each their own.
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At night, a strobe right turn signal may not look very different from a left turn to a 21st century driver.
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Being very rural I'd probably use what came on the car or add signals. I drove a truck and I've worked where the traffic had to be controlled and one thing you can count on is that you CANT count on people to be aware of their situational position. I was standing with a stop sign in my hand with a state trooper beside me with maybe ten vehicles stopped. Here comes a car around everyone and keeps going until my friend (state trooper) turned on lights he couldn't miss. Some people are stupid and some, I have no idea about but people don't see things the way most of us do. Motorcycles get hit by other vehicles because people's brains don't accept them being there, vs hitting an eighteen wheeler, their brain accepts that. It's not that your idea is stupid and without seeing it myself it might work but I'd not chance it. With an original tail light that is dim already the light could very well confuse a young person or person we all know.
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Isnt there some sort of magnetic base light that you could add when you want to go for a drive. I am with you on originality but my safety trumps that. Too many distracted drivers, and people in general that just should not be driving. Im afraid I will get rear ended in my new f150, let alone a slow moving vehicle with no lights. With LED even a small, unobtrusive light will be very effective.
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Tractor Supply has lights that are magnetic mounted for trailers. Put something soft but thin on the magnets so they don't scratch the paint. Or you can make your own using high strength magnets from McMaster Carr.
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If you want effective turn signals, use turn signals. If you want something that will further distract other drivers, use your strobe light.
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The 30 Fordor I drive doesn't have turn signals, and I have been using hand signals for about 2 years. Almost all is daytime driving, so that helps. Also do a lot of rural driving, but do have to go thru a city of 100k to get out of town, and have had no mishaps. I think any LEO who saw the strobe light would think...."that's better than just hand signals".
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i have turn signal system on my sedan. i have two tail/brake lights,the right one is an add on. the system uses the brake light system for the rear signals so no ugly lights back there. the front signals are the cowl lights which were added to my car. the car looks correct. the system works good and they are really helpful when driving in city mayhem.
so here is a thought, why don't you run this sort of signal light system, you don't have cowl lights but you could use the park light bulb in the head light, put a red bulb in there.
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That's a great idea......only, wouldn't it be more appropriate to use an amber bulb up front in the headlight housing?
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www.turnswitch.com is the one I use.
I have the switch hidden under the dash at the door pillar. You cant see it unless you look under the dash. Cowl lamps are the front lights and the rears use the brake light. You can adjust how long to leave them on for, or automatic self canceling. As long as your foot is on the brake pedal, the time wont start, then I have it set to turn off after 15 seconds. |
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your title says "what about this idea?" i am going to tell you exactly what i think. your worried about period correct looking car well the strobe won't look period correct sticking out the drivers window in your hand. as far as the park lights being used for your front signal it's just an idea you could put what ever color light you want in there, makes no difference, it will still be better than some IDIOT sitting at a traffic light with his arm out the window with a flashing strobe light. my honest opinion.
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https://www.extremetacticaldynamics....tes/california I understand your intent but is it safe?? steering, downshifting looking for the strobe in the cab, people stopping in front of you because of a red strobe etc. Turn signals can be hidden in the headlight bucket, cowl lights, tail lights or?? Yes, they used hand signals years ago but I'm guessing few people recognize their meaning in today's world. Cars travel at a higher rate of speed and drivers are eating, reading and talking on their cell phones. Be careful out there wouldn't want anyone or your car to get injured. As a retired first responder I present this with all due respect. Yes, I have LED turn signals front and back, I try to get my car on the road as much and as safely as possible. |
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These are the led's I have in the front, back is led's in two tail lights
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Those are pretty! How bright are they? I’am thinking they are 12 volt?
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If you plan on interacting with any other traffic, I would suggest you find turn signals that don't stand out unless they are turned on. I have built a few Harley choppers and found that over the years, I needed more and more lights on the back to be seen by other drivers. Between poor driver's training and modern distractions like fancy displays on audio and cell phone usage, anything smaller than an 18 wheeler is unseen. The rest of us on the Barn, would hate to hear of your early demise due to driver inattention. Besides your flashlight may be mistaken for a Molotov Cocktail depending on where you are. |
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I understand your thoughts on the turn signal but you need to check with the authorities in your state. As a retired Law Enforcement officer I can tell you that the first time you put that strobe light out for a turn signal there is a good chance you will meet some local Law enforcement. Looking original is good but I chose to drive safer as I don't think most new er drivers have any idea what hand signals are
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If I have problems, or additional thoughts on this subject.....I'll be sure to let you all know about it. EOG |
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I think part of the problem is people are off in their own little world and don't pay attention when they are driving. |
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I have turn signals on my 29 Phaeton but I frequently use hand signals without any issues. I am now building a 31 Victoria that never had them and it will stay that way.
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I was quite surprised to see such opposition to my strobe light idea.....but, in retrospect, it seems that it was mostly from those who already have turn signals. We can get into the psychology of that, but that opposition may have roots in a group need to be "validated" in having turn signals. Admittedly, I've only been a part of the Model A community for a very short time.....but, considering what seems evident in this thread, I can imagine there have been spirited discussions over having, or not having turn signals, prior to this one. eog |
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Thank you I’am 6volts but might try them, could use them on my modern!
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I have them on my 29 and I hate the fact that they are not self canceling. Because of this I find myself using hand signals a lot but then again I do live in the country so I feel I can get away without them. I am building the 31 Victoria to Fine Point and no Model A ever had factory turn signals. |
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I consider my Model A as a touring car. While out and about in traffic, whether in town or out on any somewhat busy highway, cars really need to see what my intentions of turning or merging are. I don't want them to read my mind. Hand signals cannot be easily seen while in the dark or just try to signal out the drivers door to someone in a lane to the right when you want to merge in. I put a bunch of money into my car and these won't do well in any kind of a mishap. I won't be turning in my turn signals any time soon. For what it's worth, I also have a right-hand tail/stop light too. I don't have separate turn signal fixtures in the back. Like others, I wired them into the stop lights and the turn signal switch.
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Rather than "Pretty" I think "Manley" describes them much better |
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I wired in a buzzer and a dash LED to remind me to shut my turn signal off.
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