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ceejay · 11-01-2012, 09:13 AM

Hi All,

I just bought a 33 Phaeton over here in Sri Lanka.

It is the only known 33 Ford in the country and is Right hand Drive with the flathead 4 cylinder engine.

I have a few questions for now and will have LOTS more later on as I get to know my car...

What were the original wheel and tire sizes for the 33 Phaetons ?
My car has 16" Ford wire wheels on it. Possibly someone has fitted them later on if they are not the correct size.

Next question is how should one operate the starter ?
I have seen lots of YouTube videos where on Left Hand Drive cars, you push a knob which pushes the switch on the starter (which is also on the Left side of the engine.)

I have seen photos of starters with PULL switches on the web... my car has one of these and it has been connected to a cable which is on the dash. Pull to start... is this wrong ?

if it should have a push to start foot knob, should it still be on the left side... meaning on the passengers foot well ? does the driver have to reach all the way to the other side by foot to press it ? ... or was there a rod and lever system bringing the foot knob to the drivers (right hand) side ?

Attached are a few photos of my car... it has been very badly restored by the previous owner and I plan on doing a ground up restoration to put every thing right so I am gathering knowledge right now

Richard Wilson · 11-01-2012, 09:18 AM

33 Ford's had 17 inch wheels.

160B · 11-01-2012, 09:18 AM

you need to post this in the early V-8 forum.
Early V8 (1932-53)

this is the Model A (1928-31) forum

ceejay · 11-01-2012, 09:46 AM

Ops...re-posted in correct forum.... how do I delete this thread ?

160B · 11-01-2012, 10:11 AM

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ceejay · 11-01-2012, 10:17 AM

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Found that FAQ but there is no Delete option under edit.

May be an Admin. can please delete this thread... thanks

160B · 11-01-2012, 11:39 AM

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Found that FAQ but there is no Delete option under edit.

May be an Admin. can please delete this thread... thanks

as stated above

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ceejay · 11-01-2012, 11:46 AM

Have gone into edit option but from there on, there does not seem to be a delete option

FL&WVMIKE · 11-01-2012, 12:45 PM

ceejay .........................
No need to deleat your post. You might even get better answers here, on the starting of your 4 cyl. car.
MIKE

ceejay · 11-01-2012, 12:51 PM

Thanks Mike, yeah actually most Phaetons seem to be V8s so may be some Model A owners may be able to assist some with my 4 cylinder questions..

I see a lovely Phaeton in your Avatar Mike... would love to see some photos of it.

Were Model A cars fitted with the Model B 4 cylinder engine at all or not ?

Tom Wesenberg · 11-01-2012, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceejay

Thanks Mike, yeah actually most Phaetons seem to be V8s so may be some Model A owners may be able to assist some with my 4 cylinder questions..

I see a lovely Phaeton in your Avatar Mike... would love to see some photos of it.

Were Model A cars fitted with the Model B 4 cylinder engine at all or not ?

No Model A's came from Ford with the Model B engine. And the PULL start should be correct for your 1933 Phaeton.

Steve Wastler · 11-01-2012, 03:03 PM

nice phaeton

ceejay · 11-01-2012, 03:05 PM

Thanks

James Rogers · 11-01-2012, 03:17 PM

ceejay, you will find the model B engine to be the bastard child of the four cylinder Fords. There is a page for the T engine and the A engine or even all the V8's but the model B is largely ignored. There are some that have limited information on it but none have as much as T's or A's.

ceejay · 11-01-2012, 03:19 PM

Yes... I noticed

ctlikon0712 · 11-01-2012, 03:20 PM

Yes, I doubt the early V8 guy's will have much to say in answer to your 4 cyl. specific questions. Leave it up.

ceejay · 11-01-2012, 03:29 PM

Here is a Model "A" related question..

have any of you used a NEW Tillotson X carburetor on your model A ?
Is it any good ?

James Rogers · 11-01-2012, 03:45 PM

Some swear by the tillitson and some swear at them. The biggest problem with the carb is the mounting flange will warp from the heat of the exhaust just when you don't need it to.

quickchange · 11-01-2012, 03:50 PM

James is correct, If you are running the B engine then they are too small in throat , Run the B carb or something else which lets more in .

ceejay · 11-01-2012, 04:03 PM

The tillotson x is marketed as being correct for the B.

I have read about the warping issue on it yes.

Only other choice if i want a new carb is to run a downdraft manifold and a V8 carb i guess

Gord. B by the bay · 11-01-2012, 09:22 PM

ceejay I have a tilitson carb on a Model B engine and have driven it for 50,000 miles with no problems Just drive'er have fun Gord B by the Bay

Charlie Stephens · 11-01-2012, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceejay

The tillotson x is marketed as being correct for the B.

I have read about the warping issue on it yes.

Only other choice if i want a new carb is to run a downdraft manifold and a V8 carb i guess

New is not always better especially with the junk they are making today. How about finding a quality rebuilder for the Model B?

Charlie Stephens

FL&WVMIKE · 11-01-2012, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceejay

Thanks Mike, yeah actually most Phaetons seem to be V8s so may be some Model A owners may be able to assist some with my 4 cylinder questions..

I see a lovely Phaeton in your Avatar Mike... would love to see some photos of it.

Were Model A cars fitted with the Model B 4 cylinder engine at all or not ?

ceejay ....................
I do have more photos of my Phaeton in my Fordbarn album.
Click on my Fordbarn name, click on "View Public Profile". That will take you to my personal page.
Scroll down to my albums and click on the Phaeton, or all three.
MIKE

columbiA · 11-01-2012, 10:17 PM

I had a 33 B coupe & it used the same starter switch as used on the V-8,sThe floor button screws into the switch which is mounted on the lower 2 bolts on top of steering box.The only difference between RH & LH drive would be the longer cable from switch to starter.The 33-34 B starter has a threaded stud on bottom of starter.As for the carb,while the Tillotson will work fine,the B carb will give a bit more power.You have wheels off a 35 Ford.The 33-34,s used 17" wheels.which I think look better.By the way,a very rare car you have there.

11-01-2012, 09:18 AM	#2
Richard Wilson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 908	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka 33 Ford's had 17 inch wheels.

11-01-2012, 09:18 AM	#3
160B Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Port Orchard, WA Posts: 1,498	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka you need to post this in the early V-8 forum. Early V8 (1932-53) this is the Model A (1928-31) forum __________________ 1931 160B & 1931 68B If you don't have time to do it right the 1st time, how do you have time to do it the 2nd time?

11-01-2012, 09:46 AM	#4
ceejay Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 105	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka Ops...re-posted in correct forum.... how do I delete this thread ?

11-01-2012, 10:11 AM	#5
160B Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Port Orchard, WA Posts: 1,498	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/faq.ph...l&titlesonly=0 Can I edit or delete my posts? If you have registered and are logged in, you may be able to edit and delete your posts (although the administrator may have turned off this option). Your ability to edit your posts may be time-limited, depending on how the administrator has set up the forum. To edit or delete your posts, click the Edit button by the particular post. If your post was the first in the thread, then deleting it may remove the entire thread. Once you've made your modifications, a note may appear to inform other users that you have edited your post. If the edit time and date appear as a link you can click on this to see the differences between the original and edited versions, or between edits if there have been multiple edits. Can others edit my posts? Administrators and moderators may also edit your messages. If they do, there may not be a note telling other users that the post was modified. __________________ 1931 160B & 1931 68B If you don't have time to do it right the 1st time, how do you have time to do it the 2nd time?

11-01-2012, 10:17 AM	#6
ceejay Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 105	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Found that FAQ but there is no Delete option under edit. May be an Admin. can please delete this thread... thanks

11-01-2012, 11:46 AM	#8
ceejay Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 105	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka Have gone into edit option but from there on, there does not seem to be a delete option

11-01-2012, 12:45 PM	#9
FL&WVMIKE Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Daytona Beach, Fl & Spencer, W. Va, Posts: 4,442	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka ceejay ......................... No need to deleat your post. You might even get better answers here, on the starting of your 4 cyl. car. MIKE

11-01-2012, 12:51 PM	#10
ceejay Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 105	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka Thanks Mike, yeah actually most Phaetons seem to be V8s so may be some Model A owners may be able to assist some with my 4 cylinder questions.. I see a lovely Phaeton in your Avatar Mike... would love to see some photos of it. Were Model A cars fitted with the Model B 4 cylinder engine at all or not ?

11-01-2012, 03:03 PM	#12
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka nice phaeton

11-01-2012, 03:05 PM	#13
ceejay Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 105	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka Thanks

11-01-2012, 03:17 PM	#14
James Rogers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Asheville,NC Posts: 3,104	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka ceejay, you will find the model B engine to be the bastard child of the four cylinder Fords. There is a page for the T engine and the A engine or even all the V8's but the model B is largely ignored. There are some that have limited information on it but none have as much as T's or A's. __________________ http://www.model-a-ford-4bangers.com/

11-01-2012, 03:19 PM	#15
ceejay Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 105	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka Yes... I noticed

11-01-2012, 03:20 PM	#16
ctlikon0712 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 1,609	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka Yes, I doubt the early V8 guy's will have much to say in answer to your 4 cyl. specific questions. Leave it up. __________________ Wanted: Simmons Super Power Head Craig Likon 1931 150B

11-01-2012, 03:29 PM	#17
ceejay Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 105	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka Here is a Model "A" related question.. have any of you used a NEW Tillotson X carburetor on your model A ? Is it any good ?

11-01-2012, 03:45 PM	#18
James Rogers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Asheville,NC Posts: 3,104	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka Some swear by the tillitson and some swear at them. The biggest problem with the carb is the mounting flange will warp from the heat of the exhaust just when you don't need it to. __________________ http://www.model-a-ford-4bangers.com/

11-01-2012, 03:50 PM	#19
quickchange Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nelson. New Zealand Posts: 2,010	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka James is correct, If you are running the B engine then they are too small in throat , Run the B carb or something else which lets more in .

11-01-2012, 04:03 PM	#20
ceejay Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 105	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka The tillotson x is marketed as being correct for the B. I have read about the warping issue on it yes. Only other choice if i want a new carb is to run a downdraft manifold and a V8 carb i guess

11-01-2012, 09:22 PM	#21
Gord. B by the bay Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Owen Sound Ont. Canada Posts: 198	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka ceejay I have a tilitson carb on a Model B engine and have driven it for 50,000 miles with no problems Just drive'er have fun Gord B by the Bay

11-01-2012, 10:17 PM	#24
columbiA Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,746	Re: 33 Ford Phaeton questions from Sri Lanka I had a 33 B coupe & it used the same starter switch as used on the V-8,sThe floor button screws into the switch which is mounted on the lower 2 bolts on top of steering box.The only difference between RH & LH drive would be the longer cable from switch to starter.The 33-34 B starter has a threaded stud on bottom of starter.As for the carb,while the Tillotson will work fine,the B carb will give a bit more power.You have wheels off a 35 Ford.The 33-34,s used 17" wheels.which I think look better.By the way,a very rare car you have there.