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haag1332 · 05-13-2016, 10:33 PM

So then the 7/16 was an aftermarket repro provided just to use a commonly available socket but not original. Once again I have to ask though, was the 13/32 gav ever used on any other carb, aftermarket or otherwise?

Just got your letter today smog and will have my response in the mail first thing monday morning, lol.

Bill Jr.

1955cj5 · 05-14-2016, 09:53 AM

I have a 13/32" GAV on my old Tillotson X...but the new rebuild kit I have for it has a 7/16 GAV...

Smog Tech · 05-14-2016, 10:50 AM

Bratton's catalog lists both 7/16 and 13/32.
1928 to Sept. 4, 1930 as 7/16.
Sept. 4 1930 to 1931 as 13/32

I didn't find anything in the Judging Standards.

Bill in SoCal · 05-14-2016, 03:16 PM

Is Bratton offering the 7/16 GAV as a common wrench size replacement? Bill

Y-Blockhead · 05-14-2016, 04:24 PM

Always in a quest to learn more about my '30 Town Sedan (and I was plain ass curious...

) I just went out and measured my Zenith and it is indeed .438" (7/16").

I have no history of the carb, maybe it was "Molested".

haag1332 · 05-14-2016, 08:57 PM

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Well this is all clear as mud now, lol. Sorry I even asked for a definitive explanation at this point, lol.

Bill Jr.

Mitch//pa · 05-15-2016, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haag1332

Well this is all clear as mud now, lol. Sorry I even asked for a definitive explanation at this point, lol.

Bill Jr.

http://www.modela.org/gav_wrench.html

Tom Wesenberg · 05-15-2016, 07:18 AM

If I lived closer to the Henry Ford Museum I'd be over at the Benson Ford Research Center looking at the GAV blueprint.

At any rate, the 7/16" deep socket is a common part, so all we need are a bunch of 13/32" quality sockets.

I filed out a 10 mm Snap On 6 point box wrench about 10 years ago, and that works fine, but a 6 point socket would be even better.

taffrail · 05-15-2016, 11:16 AM

I use an oddball offshore 11mm 6 point deep socket seems to fit well, sometimes working on my wife's GM nothing fits well!

Tom Wesenberg · 05-15-2016, 01:40 PM

I've only worked on my own carbs, but did have one with a 7/16" GAV. Now I wish I'd have paid more attention to the carb details to maybe put a date to it. Of course it could have been an old repro part also.

Y-Blockhead · 05-15-2016, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taffrail

I use an oddball offshore 11mm 6 point deep socket seems to fit well, sometimes working on my wife's GM nothing fits well!

I can imagine a cheapy 11mm would fit. There is only .005" difference between 11mm and 7/16".

haag1332 · 05-16-2016, 10:00 PM

Stupid question here since I am just a novice with regard to model A's and merely making a socket which a whole lot of people seem to want, but..........

If Zenith was making these carbs for Ford or whatever, are there any records from, or a way to find records from, the Zenith company to determine exactly what they were supplying to Ford Motor Company?

Again, not trying to make a mess out of this, but I have become more and more curious about the real deal regarding this 13/32 gav.

I kinda liked forever4's thing about drawing correction or whatever. I know in those days as well, many manufacturers were trying to make things that could only be serviced by the dealers with the correct tools. This is still common practice today as a matter of fact.

In any event, once again I am not trying to screw this all up, but I really am curious as to what the real truth is behind the 13/32 gav.

Bill Jr.

haag1332 · 05-16-2016, 10:04 PM

And if I am not mistaken, somewhere I saw where a 13/32" 12 point wrench was actually included in a tool kit supplied with certain model A's or whatever.

Sorry, forgot about that till just now.

Bill Jr.

C26Pinelake · 05-17-2016, 12:04 AM

What is total cost including shipping for this socket? Wayne

BudP · 05-23-2016, 10:00 PM

Socket arrived today. Well worth the wait. Thoughtfully designed, packaged for garage storage with written recommendations. Nice doing business with a couple of straight-up guys!

haag1332 · 05-23-2016, 10:14 PM

Hopefully Bud doesn't get upset with me but I just wanted to post the pm he sent me earlier today after he received his socket.

Per BudP
"Every person has ability of some kind. Fewer people have a commitment to quality. Fewer still are those who combine their talent with a commitment to quality. The fortunate ones in the last catagory can show their talent and commitment in a single product. Your socket is such a herald of your abilities and commitments. Thanks!"

Sorry if I shouldn't have posted this Bud, but I appreciated your comments, and making guys like yourself and others on here happy with these sockets is what I have been working toward. My goal has been to exceed expectations, and I intend to continue to do so.

Bill Jr.

BudP · 05-23-2016, 10:25 PM

Meant every word I said, Bill.

Mike V. Florida · 05-23-2016, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haag1332

"Every person has ability of some kind. Fewer people have a commitment to quality. Fewer still are those who combine their talent with a commitment to quality. The fortunate ones in the last category can show their talent and commitment in a single product. Your socket is such a herald of your abilities and commitments. Thanks!"

I agree with EVERY word, ABSOLUTELY true!

Anteek29 · 06-10-2016, 02:38 PM

Hope to receive mine soon?

P.S. · 06-10-2016, 06:49 PM

I haven't been contacted either. But, since I know I am on the list, I'm happy. When it happens, it happens.

05-13-2016, 10:33 PM	#321
haag1332 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 120	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket So then the 7/16 was an aftermarket repro provided just to use a commonly available socket but not original. Once again I have to ask though, was the 13/32 gav ever used on any other carb, aftermarket or otherwise? Just got your letter today smog and will have my response in the mail first thing monday morning, lol. Bill Jr.

05-14-2016, 09:53 AM	#322
1955cj5 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 1,578	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket I have a 13/32" GAV on my old Tillotson X...but the new rebuild kit I have for it has a 7/16 GAV... __________________ Early '29 CCPU that had a 4-speed, but not any more.......in the family since '62

05-14-2016, 10:50 AM	#323
Smog Tech Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 145	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket Bratton's catalog lists both 7/16 and 13/32. 1928 to Sept. 4, 1930 as 7/16. Sept. 4 1930 to 1931 as 13/32 I didn't find anything in the Judging Standards.

05-14-2016, 03:16 PM	#324
Bill in SoCal Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Claremont, CA 91711 Posts: 244	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket Is Bratton offering the 7/16 GAV as a common wrench size replacement? Bill

05-14-2016, 04:24 PM	#325
Y-Blockhead Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 5,848	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket Always in a quest to learn more about my '30 Town Sedan (and I was plain ass curious...) I just went out and measured my Zenith and it is indeed .438" (7/16"). I have no history of the carb, maybe it was "Molested".

05-14-2016, 08:57 PM	#326
haag1332 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 120	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Well this is all clear as mud now, lol. Sorry I even asked for a definitive explanation at this point, lol. Bill Jr.

05-15-2016, 07:18 AM	#328
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket If I lived closer to the Henry Ford Museum I'd be over at the Benson Ford Research Center looking at the GAV blueprint. At any rate, the 7/16" deep socket is a common part, so all we need are a bunch of 13/32" quality sockets. I filed out a 10 mm Snap On 6 point box wrench about 10 years ago, and that works fine, but a 6 point socket would be even better.

05-15-2016, 11:16 AM	#329
taffrail Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Hingham, MA Posts: 135	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket I use an oddball offshore 11mm 6 point deep socket seems to fit well, sometimes working on my wife's GM nothing fits well!

05-15-2016, 01:40 PM	#330
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket I've only worked on my own carbs, but did have one with a 7/16" GAV. Now I wish I'd have paid more attention to the carb details to maybe put a date to it. Of course it could have been an old repro part also.

05-16-2016, 10:00 PM	#332
haag1332 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 120	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket Stupid question here since I am just a novice with regard to model A's and merely making a socket which a whole lot of people seem to want, but.......... If Zenith was making these carbs for Ford or whatever, are there any records from, or a way to find records from, the Zenith company to determine exactly what they were supplying to Ford Motor Company? Again, not trying to make a mess out of this, but I have become more and more curious about the real deal regarding this 13/32 gav. I kinda liked forever4's thing about drawing correction or whatever. I know in those days as well, many manufacturers were trying to make things that could only be serviced by the dealers with the correct tools. This is still common practice today as a matter of fact. In any event, once again I am not trying to screw this all up, but I really am curious as to what the real truth is behind the 13/32 gav. Bill Jr.

05-16-2016, 10:04 PM	#333
haag1332 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 120	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket And if I am not mistaken, somewhere I saw where a 13/32" 12 point wrench was actually included in a tool kit supplied with certain model A's or whatever. Sorry, forgot about that till just now. Bill Jr.

05-17-2016, 12:04 AM	#334
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket What is total cost including shipping for this socket? Wayne

05-23-2016, 10:00 PM	#335
BudP Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Oakton, VA Posts: 437	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket Socket arrived today. Well worth the wait. Thoughtfully designed, packaged for garage storage with written recommendations. Nice doing business with a couple of straight-up guys!

05-23-2016, 10:14 PM	#336
haag1332 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 120	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket Hopefully Bud doesn't get upset with me but I just wanted to post the pm he sent me earlier today after he received his socket. Per BudP "Every person has ability of some kind. Fewer people have a commitment to quality. Fewer still are those who combine their talent with a commitment to quality. The fortunate ones in the last catagory can show their talent and commitment in a single product. Your socket is such a herald of your abilities and commitments. Thanks!" Sorry if I shouldn't have posted this Bud, but I appreciated your comments, and making guys like yourself and others on here happy with these sockets is what I have been working toward. My goal has been to exceed expectations, and I intend to continue to do so. Bill Jr.

05-23-2016, 10:25 PM	#337
BudP Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Oakton, VA Posts: 437	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket Meant every word I said, Bill.

06-10-2016, 02:38 PM	#339
Anteek29 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Santa Maria, CA Posts: 985	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket Hope to receive mine soon? __________________ Alan 1929 Special Coupe 1941 Pick-Up 1955 Victoria

06-10-2016, 06:49 PM	#340
P.S. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: California Posts: 1,688	Re: carburetor 13/32 deep well socket I haven't been contacted either. But, since I know I am on the list, I'm happy. When it happens, it happens.