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02-19-2021, 03:06 PM | #41 |
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Re: Why not a new casting
Seery is correct, the number of core pieces makes the Ford V8 a difficult part to cast. We all remember the history books telling us how Ford originally struggled to get the casting process refined enough to product good blocks instead of scrap. All those core pieces have to stay in place during pouring....that's why Ford went to using wire to hold the cores in place.
Regarding my original question, it appears that $$$ is the main hold back. Machining is easier today than it was in the 40's. I wonder how much French tooling still exists? |
02-19-2021, 04:03 PM | #42 |
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I really don’t want to speak for Tod but I don’t think he’s online much to do so for himself. He has said in the past he is a one man band and hasn’t found a good candidate that can help him. In addition he does contract work for others, one job is machining banger heads and exhaust headers for Snyder’s. He has cored his Model A block with lost foam very successfully but said there are issues finding a foundry to work with. His V8 block is pretty far along, I think he started working on cores but then diverted from that to buying some foundry equipment.
As an outsider looking in I think he has bitten off more than he can chew. The man needs help, he cannot do this by himself.
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02-19-2021, 06:38 PM | #44 |
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Here's a link to Terry Burtz's "new" Model A motor. He details the faults of the Ford version and all of the engineering that went into the new design. He had it all worked out and then tried to find someone to produce it. The Chinese were the only ones capable of following the drawings and instructions to cast it. Very interesting reading.
http://www.modelaengine.com
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02-19-2021, 06:46 PM | #45 |
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Tod is to be admired and commended for his tenacity and dedication.
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02-19-2021, 06:50 PM | #46 |
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02-19-2021, 07:26 PM | #47 |
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Is there really a market for new Model A and flathead motors? I hope the sales will cover the investment cost's.
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02-19-2021, 09:00 PM | #48 |
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That's a good one Tubman.
Most realized dreams require 3 things: passion, money and know how. Majority of us are missing 1 of these components. The creation of the flathead was a dream realized by Henry Ford and his Team. With this team, all 3(passion,money,know how) components were accomplished. Albeight they may not have set out to invent the flathead as we know it, but to create a vehicle/motor that the everyday man could afford.The flathead as we know it was created. The world today revolves around the love of money. If it is not profitable, it won't happen. Unless that special someone or group comes along with the 3 components, it's dead in the water or a slow go at best. What once was, as most things, has been redeveloped into what is perceived or is better than what once was; Flathead ->->- OHV. We can all be dreamers but one day you've either got to wake up or have the passion, money and know how to make it happen.
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02-20-2021, 01:13 AM | #49 |
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SOME of the 'FLATHEAD' casting cores! DD |
02-20-2021, 09:46 AM | #50 |
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Here's a random idea I had that may not be as crazy as I first thought. It might even come close to economic feasibility. Someone should cast up some Ardun look-alike heads that will bolt to a small block Chevrolet block with the attendant bits and pieces. In addition, make a front casing the picks up the SBC mounting points, but will mount two Ford water pumps and either a front mount (easier) or 8BA post type distributor. Voila, a brand new engine what would be almost undetectable from a genuine Ardun at the cost not much more than a high-end flathead build. Except for the added parts, everythiung else would be a commodity (except maybe pistons, but since there are a jillion piston manufacturers out there, that should be solvable too).
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02-20-2021, 09:58 AM | #51 |
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V8: Wow! Never realized there were so many cores required for the flathead.
I bet those guys working in the foundry at Ford worked really hard in a ghastly environment. Not fun. |
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Don Feguson already makes an Ardun head for a chevy small block. In the 60's there was another conversion made for the small block which was also a look alike to the Ardun. Both of these conversions are and were limited production meaning EXPENSIVE. Why waste money on a look alike just save up until you can get the real thing.
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