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Old 07-30-2019, 04:24 PM   #1
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Hey guys - be very careful if somebody calls you related to a 'Want Add' and has some sort of magical story about cleaning out his Dads/Moms estate or storage locker or something similar - and believes he has the very part you're looking for. He's not asking huge money - just something to make a few bucks, take if off his hands and keep him from just scrapping it and a bunch of other stuff.

There is a dude out in Nevada that is a very talented scam artist, can talk the talk, can weave a story and suck you in better than any movie ever known to man. He's the best (worst) I've seen at his game . . . everything just flows together like a well written novel - except it is all BS!

Same guy contacted a good friend of mine on the HAMB - similar story, cleaning out his Wife's Dad's place - had a rare headlight my buddy was looking for - thank God he didn't fall for the story.

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a) Has a cell phone that is old and doesn't take pictures - so he can't send you any (and he's way out in the sticks - at Dad's place - bad reception).
The phone number is from AZ - Phoenix area.
b) Doesn't use the internet or have eMail.
c) Lives in some far away rural place - that you won't be able to find his address on (nor his name and family).
d) Is supposedly out in some other rural location cleaning up the family heirlooms (just there for the weekend - just flew in because escrow closed and he has to get Dad's stuff the heck out of there. Already took a bunch to the junk dealer - furniture went to the dump).
e) Dad bought a bunch of NOS stuff and he has to either take it to the dump (as he has to clean things out) or sell it for relatively cheap prices. Isn't looking to make a lot of money - just hoping somebody can use this stuff.
f) He has little time - is catching a plane back home that day and the only way to get money to him would be via a Western Union type deal

He has everything down to the detail, knows the shipping companies, has a story for where he'll deliver the parts for shipping, etc.. A very talented con artist to say the least.

And - he swears like a 'Mule Skinner' and has a mysterious wife (which he's always getting on/off the phone to talk too) . . . who is deaf!

You got it - an amazing story man and he can talk about vintage car parts, 32 - 34 stuff . . . he knows how to bait the hook for a nice tasty fish (that would be you!).

Beware Gang . . . he's a very crafty bastard.

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Old 07-30-2019, 04:31 PM   #2
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This guy tried to hit me twice while I was searching for my 36 roadster,unknown to him I had a buddy out in Vegas that jumped on the fake lead offering to bring cash and load up.The scammer went silent right away so we knew he was full of it. Sorry to see he's back.This guy is a real pile of B S.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:58 PM   #3
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I have had a call from the Nevada Dude as well, again, will be there tomorrow with a trailer. Haven't hear from him since. There was someone selling a black '36 5 window with a similar scam. 'Can't meet you at the car, working too hard.'


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Old 07-30-2019, 06:31 PM   #4
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I'm glad that I didn't miss a "deal of a lifetime". This guy from way out Nevada somewhere answered my wanted ad for a 34 Henry roadster body. Same story as related by others. He is a pro because he answered some pointed questions I had about the body, but I began to wonder when he had to keep talking to his deaf wife. I almost fell for the deal but he said he had to get it off the place by that night and he was flying out that night, too. I said I live in Texas so how can I drive there and get the body before you leave? He says he will drop it off at a friends local junk yard until I get there. I only have to send him the $ via Western Union. Yeah, right.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:21 PM   #5
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Guys, it's really a sad situation when to make an "unearned" buck for drugs or what every, some poor SOB has to resort to trying to scam a bunch of people like us who are just trying to enjoy a hobby we love with a passion!
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There is a dude out in Nevada that is a very talented scam artist, can talk the talk, can weave a story and suck you in better than any movie ever known to man. He's the best (worst) I've seen at his game . . . everything just flows together like a well written novel - except it is all BS!
Hey come on man, every one knows "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas"

Seriously, it's always out there and puts a damper on this hobby. Thanks for posting.
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Old 07-30-2019, 11:38 PM   #7
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This guy has called me not only on old cars but also vintage race snowmachines off another site . He does not even remember me , That is a good thing due to the fact that I do have a second home there in Reno and am baiting him to call , if he even is in Reno . Going to track him down.
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Old 07-30-2019, 11:53 PM   #8
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Is the number (602)228-71XX. ?
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:32 AM   #9
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RE" a) Has a cell phone that is old and doesn't take pictures - so he can't send you any (and he's way out in the sticks - at Dad's place - bad reception)."
This one I could beleave, mine is that old! I would say LOL but is no joke. What do you want for less then $10 for 300 min's?
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Is the number (602)228-71XX. ?
He probably changes numbers like most people do socks. The number he used for me was: (602) 361-5364. Would be nice to know who he really is and where he lives.

I'd love to see him in shackles . . . and not the ones we use on springs!

He's obviously been doing this stuff for years on our site alone (can't imagine how many people he has scammed - he's good at it) - time that he go away.
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OK so you call police about the scammer. Tell him money is wired and then have police meet the person picking up the money. Western Union should be cooperative. If someone is regularly getting money wired from different people western union should flag it. With so many other ways to pay people who uses this service anymore.
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Pretty sure this is the guy who scammed a guy in my area out of $500 for a pair of '30-31 coupe doors. Was so "nice" he was throwing in a nice fender as he was in town to clean out his dad's stuff. He wanted a Walmart card.
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:29 AM   #13
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... With so many other ways to pay people who uses this service anymore.
I believe WU's biggest market is sending money out of the country, like Mexico and points south. They have a line at their counter every Friday when the day-laborers get paid.
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Walmart cards are claimed anywhere so you could not locate the perp .
I hope he gets caught. I am sure there are many people who are scammed by this POS. If he is on a vintage snowmobile web site as well , I bet he frequents others sites also.
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Think about this, when he has to "speak" to his deaf wife, its probably his way of stalling the victim or to be victim as he looks up info of the fake parts he is trying to scam people with.
If he is slick with his scams, he is probably slick with the computer
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Someone should do the same as what these guys did to a bunch of Nigerian scammers. Fall off the chair hilarious....

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He called me about my want ad for electroline headlights . Same story was cleaning out his dads house and was flying back to Florida the next day . Would be very hard to ship but he thought he could get it done . Quit calling when I said I could ha e a buddy run up that was 1.5 hours away . Hopefully Ryan sees this and posts it as a sticky .
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This clown called me twice about my want ad for a 32 frame. the second time he called his name changed to Rawoul. He did not remember calling me just a week before. His dad passed and he was cleaning out his Reno house and was going to be fined for not having the property cleared out. He just wanted it out because the new owner was taking ownership in 5 hours. If I did buy this frame now it was going to be put out at the curb for trash pick up. It took him about 10 minutes to call me back to find a truck lined up to deliver it to my door in Wisconsin $475. I told him to get the truck and send it C.O.D. He did not trust me and said he would rather throw it out. I told him that would be fine , good bye.
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This clown called me twice about my want ad for a 32 frame. the second time he called his name changed to Rawoul. He did not remember calling me just a week before. His dad passed and he was cleaning out his Reno house and was going to be fined for not having the property cleared out. He just wanted it out because the new owner was taking ownership in 5 hours. If I did buy this frame now it was going to be put out at the curb for trash pick up. It took him about 10 minutes to call me back to find a truck lined up to deliver it to my door in Wisconsin $475. I told him to get the truck and send it C.O.D. He did not trust me and said he would rather throw it out. I told him that would be fine , good bye.
Post the phone number he used. It was probably a 'burner' . . . but what the Hell, lets keep making him change his numbers - the POS.
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Holy Sh*t this guy just got me! took me for $1050. I had an ad here for want 40 decklid and rear fenders and was the same damn story i'm reading above. the same exact lines about cleaning out dads house, deaf wife, getting on the plane...i'm so bummed he told me his name was randy conrad cleaning dads house in reno his number is/was 775-455-5793 what a shame
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sorry to hear that. the world is a very corrupt place today, we must all be careful, think it thru, and proceed with caution
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Just a reminder, area codes mean nothing. My daughter still has a Michigan area code even though she’s in Tennessee.

Internet Phones like Magic Jack also allow you to select an area code.

If I can’t buy it in person or use a credit card, I will only send the money if I know the seller personally.
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The cell phone thing amuses me. I have never owned a cell phone until this Christmas when my kids told me I had to join the 21st Century and got me one for Christmas. It's only going to cost me $40/month for something I don't want and don't want to carry around. I am not a technophobe, when I am out wandering around I just want to be left alone. One of my friends lives in Norfolk. We used to share spaces at various meets and now just have spaces close to each other at Charlotte. He has never owned a cell phone, either. Maybe my life will now be better for having a cell phone, and who knows, after I get it set up, get my new number, I may even turn it on someday.

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^ You'll appreciate it one day when you break down or have some sort of medical emergency.

I sincerely hope that day never comes though.

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Dang man, what a scumbag!

So, it looks like he typically sees a want ad, you've posted your phone number and he calls claiming to have the parts?

We all like to think we are good at spotting a wolf in sheep's clothing but some actually are masters and even learn the lingo we speak.

I got took for about $350 this past summer, I'm embarrassed to say. I work with a guy that had some stuff I wanted to buy. Long story short, somehow I had the wrong number in my phone for him and thought I was texting the guy I work with. All along, he would say he has what I'm looking for, I'd send him $100 and he'd say he'd bring it to work tomorrow. I'd ask what else he had for sale...he'd name tools or guns and I sent him more money. There were red flags but because I had him in my phone, my trust was 100%.....I had no recourse through PayPal....

I never even mentioned it to the guy at work. I got his real number and started texting him. The texts had a completely different persona and feel to them.

Moral of the story, don't put the wrong number in your phone......I feel stupid for even saying that!
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Thanks for posting about this scammer. His day will come as "Every dirty dog has his day."
Whenever I see 40 Ford coupe trunk lids for sale I get suspicious since they are so rare.
Even if you're sent photos, you can't be sure where they came from.
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A piece of advise when buying parts, Use PayPal. If the seller doesn’t have a PayPal account then just avoid the sale. Also to all the people on this site who sell parts. Get a PayPal account. It’s easy and can avoid a lot of problems for others. I myself have passed on several parts when I can’t make the transaction through PayPal.
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in this day and age anyone who is selling stuff has a paypal account. anyone who is scaming doesnt!
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cas3: Wow, I almost misread your pronouncement as:

In this day and age anyone who is selling stuff who doesn't have a PayPal account is scamming.

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How could we catch this guy? - If we could even find him? Is there any law enforcement that would go after such a con man? If found would there be jurisdiction law enforcement that would prosecute? I thinking there needs to be a solution, an established procedure for identifying honest sellers and buyers, followed by anyone who decides to contact a seller or a buyer. This procedure could be posted as a warning on all forums and threads for the benefit of all buyers and sellers. How to do it? I don't know, I'm not that computer literate, but there must be some way, some rules to follow that would prevent rip offs. That being said, crooks are very good at what they do and Hackers prove that over and over again! Pay Pal has built in safe guards. I once sent $1,000.00 plus dollars to a seller via Pay Pal and and due to their policies the money was returned to my account by the seller who didn't deliver. However had he been a crook I probably would have been a victim. It seems to me that Pay Pal even has an insurance program to prevent loss if the seller doesn't come through with the agreed upon merchandise? I think rule one should be the common sense idea that you don't send money if you can't verify the sellers identity. Even email addresses can be phony and easily changed. It's definitely a BIG problem.
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I know, right? Why would anyone want to pay money every month for something they'll never use?
I remember the days when you could get $20 prepay plan a year & it'd only cost that to keep it going, using it or not. Was great for GPS devices. Or something you keep in case of shipwreck/breakdown.
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in this day and age anyone who is selling stuff has a paypal account. anyone who is scaming doesnt!
Not everyone has a PayPal account. I for one do not have one and I sell items with no problem. I also do not post photos on my ad. Scammers steal photos and then use them somewhere else to scam another person. Naturally your description is also with the item so the scammer uses that to look like he knows his parts. If someone wants photos(which almost everyone does) I send them directly to the potential buyers e-mail. I also give my phone # so they can talk to me about the item.
The first thing I do when buying is I check their name to see if they are a V-8 Club member or a member on this site. Then get a phone # so you can talk with them. Even if they sound like they know what they are talking about, if you talk to them long enough and ask enough questions you can tell if they are a BS con or not. If they try to rush you into buying the item, back off and don't go for it. If you feel uneasy(gut feeling) about a deal don't do it.
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It really aggravates me that companies like Western Union are happy to be the "middle man" (and collect their fees) in these types of transactions. They don't care about the fact that so many are fraudulent - and they won't give you any help in resolving an issue.

Somebody has to go to a WU location on the other side to pickup the money - would love to "set a trap" for a scumbag like this. If anybody happens to get into a conversation with this guy - might want to think about calling the Police at the WU location where you're sending the funds - to have them catch the bastard. It would be so simple - if we all just planned a bit . . .
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It really aggravates me that companies like Western Union are happy to be the "middle man" (and collect their fees) in these types of transactions. They don't care about the fact that so many are fraudulent - and they won't give you any help in resolving an issue.

Somebody has to go to a WU location on the other side to pickup the money - would love to "set a trap" for a scumbag like this. If anybody happens to get into a conversation with this guy - might want to think about calling the Police at the WU location where you're sending the funds - to have them catch the bastard. It would be so simple - if we all just planned a bit . . .
This may work in the US, but if this crook is out of country good luck. It's tough enough to get foreign countries to give up a murderer for extradition. They definitely won't give up somebody who is basically a petty thief. There
are people who have absconded with millions and ran to a foreign country and have never been turned over to this country. Many of these scammers, if not most, are operating from out of the country.
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Unfortunately, police can't catch a scammer at Western Union. The way it works, is like money in the cloud. You send money to WU. The recipient can go to any WU in the world to receive the cash. That's why scammers use it. You might think the guy is in Reno (or wherever), but he can actually be in europe and stop at WU there.
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Many, if not most, scammers use a "spoof" unit to show a false number on the caller ID, so trying to get a reliable "fix" on the caller is usually unreliable. Even "bank checks" are being counterfeited, if offered as security. One car that was offered to us turned out to be pledged to five lenders when we ran a title search on the documentation we require on any transaction.
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