The Ford Barn

1934 · 02-01-2017, 09:06 AM

I bought my '34 Ford in western Canada, (Alberta), in 2005. I didn't get a registration when I bought it- only a bill of sale, (with the serial # on it). The fellow I bought it from said he never had a registration and the owner before him didn't either. Now I am trying to register the car in my name so I can take it for inspection and get a license for it. I am in Quebec and at the lic. bureau here they said I can't put the car in my name unless I have a registration certificate. I phoned the Alberta lic. bureau and was told the same thing. They say it was the responsibility of the seller to give me a reg. certificate. I tried to explain that the car sat in a barn for maybe 50 yrs. and the reg. was long gone. But they offered no advice or solution to my problem. Without the reg. they can do nothing! I have put a lot of time and money in this car and if I can't get the license for it I am really up the creek!
My question is; have any of you fellows ever had this problem with your cars and, if so, how did you resolve it?
Thanks in advance, Doug.

rotorwrench · 02-01-2017, 09:46 AM

This is common when purchasing a motor vehicle without documents both in US and Canada plus your DMV folks generally don't have a clue any more than ours. There are ways to get an assemblers title here in the US but I don't know about Canada. Some states here in the US use registration documents only on older cars and title serviceas take advantage of that since it is sometimes very easy to get a registration in those states since they require no title for older cars.

Check up on the regs for your province and then see if other provinces may have differences that could be more advantageous or see if there is a way to get the car legal through the judicial system of your province. When there is a will and a few legal affidavits of previous ownership, there is likely a way that is legal and legitimate.

34fivewindow · 02-01-2017, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 1934

I bought my '34 Ford in western Canada, (Alberta), in 2005. I didn't get a registration when I bought it- only a bill of sale, (with the serial # on it). The fellow I bought it from said he never had a registration and the owner before him didn't either. Now I am trying to register the car in my name so I can take it for inspection and get a license for it. I am in Quebec and at the lic. bureau here they said I can't put the car in my name unless I have a registration certificate. I phoned the Alberta lic. bureau and was told the same thing. They say it was the responsibility of the seller to give me a reg. certificate. I tried to explain that the car sat in a barn for maybe 50 yrs. and the reg. was long gone. But they offered no advice or solution to my problem. Without the reg. they can do nothing! I have put a lot of time and money in this car and if I can't get the license for it I am really up the creek!
My question is; have any of you fellows ever had this problem with your cars and, if so, how did you resolve it?
Thanks in advance, Doug.

If the car has really been in a barn for 50 years, and there is no record, file for a lost title. In California, to do this you need a Vin inspection, from a LEO, thats it.

Ron Pilger · 02-01-2017, 09:58 AM

I had this same issue after rebuilding a 1937 Ford cabriolet from parts gathered from far and wide. I'm from Alberta. After discussing this situation ad nauseum with multiple registry people I went to a lawyer friend with a consise letter of explanation and my simple bill of sale for a bare 37 body. He had me sign an affidavit that the sale document and my letter was true and that the serial number that I was using was indeed relevant to the vehicle. In reality this whole exercise was smoke and mirrors and irrelevant to the registration process. However, the barely above her teens registry clerk loved all the official documents and I was out the door with everything I needed in less than five.

kirkf · 02-01-2017, 10:52 AM

I had this same problem in Manitoba in September.
The registry agent simply couldn't wrap their head around the idea that the vehicle was last insured before computers existed.

After two weeks of this mess I gave up and went to a different agent and they did it in five minutes with a simple phone call.

So the first thing I would do is go to a different insurance / registry outlet and try again.

You could also look up your local vintage car club and give one of the members a call. I'm sure they have been through it as well.

Kirk

allout · 02-01-2017, 12:09 PM

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You could also look up your local vintage car club and give one of the members a call. I'm sure they have been through it as well.

Kirk[/QUOTE]

This is exactly what I did. They put me in contact with a retired ICBC agent who knew the right way to get this accomplished. It ended up costing me $100 for his time and the registry fee. Well worth it and way easier then dealing with the insurance agent just out of high school that doesn't even have their drivers licence yet.

DavidG · 02-01-2017, 01:01 PM

That's a growing problem for anyone with an old car, let alone one that is 83 years old. The passage of time has resulted in a loss of knowledge about all the variations in local titling and registration practices in the past, many of which have changed in the ensuing years. When you try explain that some jurisdictions did not issue titles back in the day to someone young enough to be your grandchild, you often get a blank, suspicious look, which in some cases suggest that you're trying to pull a fast one. As often as not, there's no one in the office that the clerk can turn to for enlightenment.

Dyna · 02-01-2017, 05:39 PM

I had the same situation with my 1948 Merc 114 made in Windsor. The guy I bought it from in Ontario said the car came from Sask.,had never been registered in Ontario. Any licence bureau will have a printout of what is needed to register the car. A sworn affidavit is required. I "googled" the affidavit and found a site that had a "boilerplate affidavit"-just fill in the blanks. I took it to our local licence bureau and he said it was one of the best he has seen. Some licence offices have someone who can act as a notary so you dont' have to pay a lot (lawyer) to get the affidavit notarized. Hope this helps. Let me know if I can explain further.

1934 · 02-01-2017, 09:33 PM

Thanks to all for responding. I spoke to a guy today who had a similar problem and resolved it by going directly to the provincial police. They will do a search to see if the car was stolen and, (for a fee), supply the necessary documentation so I can register it. Hope it works out! I will keep you posted on the outcome.
Doug.

Manuel · 02-02-2017, 12:47 AM

"It ended up costing me $100 for his time and the registry fee."

All that for $100?? Seems very reasonable.
How much does it cost to register a vehicle there?

Manuel in Oz

Capn John · 02-02-2017, 11:47 AM

For information:

http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/ABenginenumbers.htm

1934 · 02-09-2017, 03:43 PM

Update on my situation; still getting the runaround from the buraucracy!! After many phone calls etc. I was able to speak to a police officer who told me there was a form he could provide me with which shoud resolve the issue. He came and looked at the car and verified that the serial # on my bill of sale was correct and did a search to prove that the car was never reported stolen. We filled out the form and off I went back to the license bureau and was told that the form means nothing and without a registration I cannot put the car in my name!!!! Not sure what to do next but I'm starting to get really scared that I'll never be able to register this car in my name. I've spent a lot of money and countless hours on this car. Anyone out there with any ideas I would be grateful for your input.
Doug.

allout · 02-09-2017, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Manuel

"It ended up costing me $100 for his time and the registry fee."

All that for $100?? Seems very reasonable.
How much does it cost to register a vehicle there?

Manuel in Oz

Transfer of ownership is $30. He took care of the forms, research and filing the appropriate papers.

VeryTangled · 02-09-2017, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 1934

Update on my situation; still getting the runaround from the buraucracy!! Doug.

Hi Everyone. No experience at all here, but maybe a call to your friendly state/province elected official's office might get you going in the correct direction?

Dyna · 02-10-2017, 08:31 AM

Can't understand why you are having such a problem. Are the laws different in Quebec than Ontario? If you see my previous post, it is pretty straightforward in Ontario even with no registration. The avidavit that you have to write and have notorized is the key component, along with a bill of sale. The licence bureau should be guiding you through this, it's not like this has never happened before.

1934 · 02-10-2017, 09:53 AM

Dyna, unfortunately Quebec is notorious for its love of buraucracy. On top of that there seems to be some kind of rivalry or politics going on between the police and the licence bureau. The officer who came and saw my car was very helpful and accomodating and we filled out this 'special' form which he signed. When I took the form and my bill of sale to the lic. bur. the woman there told me that form only proves the car was never stolen and means nothing to them as far as acquiring a registration. I asked her why the police said this is what I need and all I got was attitude from her! She said she doesn't give out traffic tickets on her days off and the police dept. has no authorization in their affairs! I said, 'merci beaucoup' and walked out!
Doug.

1934 · 02-10-2017, 10:16 AM

I forgot to mention that I did ask about a notorized statement from the guy I bought it from saying he never had a registration and the answer was still no!
Doug.

rotorwrench · 02-10-2017, 10:25 AM

Whether it is a title or a registration, it all boils down to legal ownership. It sounds like folks in your registration bureau may not understand all the regulations and they could probably care less since this is basic human nature (a position of power can go to some peoples head). You need to find out from someone in the know or you need to get access to the regulations and find out if there is a procedure that the RB folks you have been dealing with don't know about.

Here in the US, a person can get a legal ownership of anything from a court order. In this case the judge is a representative of a state that can grant you legal ownership of what you have. This is legal representation by the state and it has to be recognized by all of the state officials or they will be in violation of a state court order. There are similar ways of doing this in some states through a bonded title but all that does is give notice that a person is taking legal possession of something in that state but in a way it amounts to about the same thing.

I'm sure that such things can be done in a province of Canada as well. This is how a government can confiscate a possession, for one reason or another, from someone and in turn distribute that article to another person through due process. These processes go on daily in just about every free nation in the world as well as a lot of dictatorships. In that case they just take what they want so that doesn't apply here.

Ken Arms · 02-10-2017, 10:34 AM

Doug, what if you sell it to me, then I register it in Vermont and sell it back to you! Just a thought if you cant find another resolution. I don't know if it would work but if you investigate it and it would I am happy to help. I'm near Burlington Vt about 100 miles from Montreal

OLD AS I · 02-10-2017, 10:44 AM

Id try to register it in another province, hopefully you'd know someone, might be best in Alberta, no PST there, just GST @ 5%, you might be able to put in in your name, friends address then move to QC and change address, theres gotta be a way to beat the government

Bill · 02-10-2017, 11:20 AM

I can't comment on Quebecs' DMV laws but I registered a 1940 Ford in NS on a Bill of Sale seven years ago with no problem. The car had not been registered for over 40 years still no problem. A retired former DMV person guided the transaction and it was 100% above board and legitimate. You're just not dealing with the right people. Too bad U didn't deal with this issue when the car had a significantly lower value. I'm thinking about the value for taxes on the transfer. There is a guy from Montreal who sometimes posts here, has a blue 39/40 in his avatar who might shed some light on the process can't remember his name, maybe "Dip" Good luck Bill

rotorwrench · 02-10-2017, 11:36 AM

Quebec seems to have a different procedure than other provinces. I had a look as the SAAQ site and there seem to be two procedures that can be followed depending on circumstances of the vehicle. One is replacement of lost registration but the procedure is vague and has a lot of warnings attached. The other is for handcrafted, modified, or rebuilt vehicles. This one is less vague but a lot more complicated too. Here is a link
https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle-r...built-vehicle/

1934 · 02-10-2017, 01:12 PM

Thanks to all of you who took the time to post your comments. It is much appreciated. I've been on the SAAQ website many times and as far as rebuilt vehicles I believe they are referring to wrecked cars and, as you say, it's a complicated process.
Ken, thanks for your kind offer but if we do that I would need documentation from Canada Customs showing that I brought the car into Canada legally.
I am now trying to contact the fellow I bought it from to see if there's anything he can do. He has about 25 antique cars in his collection and is probably well known at his local licence bureau, (Alberta). I'm told it's relatively easy to get a registration there so maybe he can get it and send it to me. Failing that I will try my luck at one of the larger lic. centers in Montreal. The one I've been dealing with is in a small town close to where i live. Many thanks, Doug.

V8COOPMAN · 02-10-2017, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill

I can't comment on Quebecs' DMV laws. There is a guy from Montreal who sometimes posts here, has a blue 39/40 in his avatar who might shed some light on the process can't remember his name, maybe "Dip" Good luck Bill

That would be Robert Dip from Candiac, Quebec. Quite the knowledgeable guy, with lots of cool, old cars. Click the link below for a direct PM to Robert. DD

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/member.php?u=12139

Bulligen · 02-10-2017, 04:04 PM

That is what I was going to suggest, sell it to one of our Ford Barn guys that has had good luck in their province or state and after he get the official registration or Title he will sell it back to you for a dollar and sign it over to you. We all know this is rubbish but you have to work with what you have!

Chisel · 02-10-2017, 04:20 PM

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Hey Bulligen:
That's a nice looking pickup.
chisel

1934 · 02-10-2017, 04:31 PM

Yes, Robert and I are good pals. We actually met thru the Ford Barn. He's been out here a number of times and I've been in to see him and drooled over his nice collection of cars! Robert is very knowledgable and I e-mailed him a few days ago and just waiting to hear back from him. I believe he's in California right now and enjoying life on a beautiful property that he bought out there!
Doug.

V8COOPMAN · 02-10-2017, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1934

Yes, Robert and I are good pals. We actually met thru the Ford Barn. He's been out here a number of times and I've been in to see him and drooled over his nice collection of cars! Robert is very knowledgable and I e-mailed him a few days ago and just waiting to hear back from him. I believe he's in California right now and enjoying life on a beautiful property that he bought out there!
Doug.

Here's Robert's beautiful blue '39 coupe. DD

1934 · 02-10-2017, 05:00 PM

That car is awesome!! Robert came here for a visit in that coupe and we burnt up some country roads around here! I had a blast driving it!

kirkf · 02-10-2017, 05:27 PM

Have you been going to the same registration office each time?
If so I would go to a different one.

EDIT: I see above you have been dealing with the same one in your small town. I would drive into Montreal and do it there.

Kirk

CPatton · 02-10-2017, 07:29 PM

What about talking to someone from a Quebec Model T or Model A club or a Hot Rod club. Some of their members must have gone through the same thing you are trying to do.

KGS · 02-11-2017, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 1934

Dyna, unfortunately Quebec is notorious for its love of buraucracy. On top of that there seems to be some kind of rivalry or politics going on between the police and the licence bureau. The officer who came and saw my car was very helpful and accomodating and we filled out this 'special' form which he signed. When I took the form and my bill of sale to the lic. bur. the woman there told me that form only proves the car was never stolen and means nothing to them as far as acquiring a registration. I asked her why the police said this is what I need and all I got was attitude from her! She said she doesn't give out traffic tickets on her days off and the police dept. has no authorization in their affairs! I said, 'merci beaucoup' and walked out!
Doug.

This post will be of no help but I thought I'd mention that that woman sounds like my buddy's ex wife...

v8deuce · 02-11-2017, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by oldasi

Id try to register it in another province, hopefully you'd know someone, might be best in Alberta, no PST there, just GST @ 5%, you might be able to put in in your name, friends address then move to QC and change address, theres gotta be a way to beat the government

X2
Randy

Randy in ca · 02-12-2017, 12:41 AM

Personally I would try to have it registered other than as an antique if possible. Although this would undoubtably be more expensive. Being able to only drive it only on streets/roads where the speed limit is 70 kph (40mph) or less, as stated on the webpage, seems pretty restrictive as to where you can go (whether you drive faster than that or not). What does your friend Robert do in this regard?

1934 · 02-12-2017, 08:05 AM

I agree, Randy. If I ever get the paper work sorted out I will register it as a regular car with no restrictions. Thanks.
Doug.

1934 · 02-17-2017, 06:51 AM

Update; I went to one of the larger license centers and spoke with someone who was very efficient and helpful. I was there for quite some time while she discussed my situation on the phone with one of the head-honchos in Quebec City. The upshot is that I need to do four things before I can have the car registered in my name;
-Write a detailed letter explaining why I did not register the car when I first got it back in 2005
-Have an appraisal done to determine the value of the car
-Have the car weighed on an electronic scale, (I had the Ford book with me showing the weight on page G-20 but that wouldn't do).
-Have the police fill in and sign another form because the one I had with me had expired. It was only good for 48 hrs.(I didn't read the fine print).
All this seems like a huge hassel but at least I now know that it's do-able! Let the 'hoop jumping' begin!!!
Doug.

1934 · 04-05-2017, 03:28 PM

I finally got the car registered in my name! After a ton of red tape and several trips to the SAAQ it's now officially MY car. The next step is the inspection but I'm not too concerned about that- it should pass, (famous last words). The lady even gave me a plate with 34 on it! Thanks to all of you who posted with your ideas and support.
Doug.

rotorwrench · 04-05-2017, 03:39 PM

That's worth whooping it up and happy dancing over. I'm glad it went your way.

Ron Pilger · 04-05-2017, 04:39 PM

I am the associate publisher of a community newspaper in central Alberta. When this "FordBarn saga" started weeks back I assigned one of my reporters to go to our Alberta Registry office and interview the general manager to get the straight goods on the process or acquiring plates for a vintage vehicle. I'm hopeful his summary, as published in March, 2017, might be helpful, at least to car hobbyists in our neck of the woods. Here goes:

Vintage plates for your classic vehicle

By Murray Green, The Camrose Booster.
After you have restored or repaired an older vehicle you need to decide on your driving habits, where or when you will taking that vehicle on the road.
If you are driving the vehicle like any other that are currently on the road they you simply go to a registry office and complete the paper work.
However, an antique passenger or motorcycle plate is available for vehicles or motorcycles that are 25 years old or more.
“An antique plate can only used as a collector’s item in exhibitions, in club activities, parades, as transportation to and from these events and as transportation to servicing appointments,” said Karen Dammann, manager of Camrose Registry.
“Once you have an antique plate, you don’t have to renew it. You only have to register it once with one fee. That is the good thing about an antique plate.”
To purchase an antique plate, you must provide acceptable identification, the vehicle must be a minimum of 25 years old, if it’s imported you need an import form, have proof of ownership and if the vehicle is from outside Alberta, you have a vehicle inspection.
“If the vehicle is too old to be included the registry system anymore, it would need an out of province inspection, even if it was an Alberta vehicle,” explained Karen. “If the vehicle is not in the system, we would have create it again. We can only create a file if it has an out of province inspection.”
Restoring and registering a vehicle without a serial number can be done. “You would have to get a serial number assigned to that vehicle and the cost is a little over $500 and that is through the Insurance Bureau of Canada. We have forms to fill out to start the process, or they are available on line. That is above what it costs normally to register the vehicle,” she added.
Only approved certified mechanics can perform out of province inspections. Check with your local mechanics for details. Forms are available at the registry office.

1934 · 04-05-2017, 06:25 PM

Ron, many thanks for the time and effort for that! Much appreciated! The plan is to license it as a regular car with no restrictions. My work is about 10 mins. away and I'd like to drive there with it on a regular basis. I live about 5 mins. from the U.S. border and if I want to go for a drive around upstate NY or Vermont I want to have the right license, ins. etc. to do so. I want this to be my 'daily driver' and use it as much as possible. I've learned from past experience that the more you drive these cars the 'happier' they are. When they sit around for any length of time there always seems to be 'issues'. Anyway, that's the plan.....
Doug.

allout · 04-05-2017, 08:32 PM

Awesome. Glad you got it figured out. Enjoy

KGS · 04-06-2017, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rotorwrench

That's worth whooping it up and happy dancing over. I'm glad it went your way.

1934 · 04-06-2017, 10:55 AM

KGS, that's just too funny and exactly how I felt when I got the registration in my hand! I wanted to kiss the lady when she gave it to me but I thought I'd better not because I might have got arrested! My wife probably wouldn't have been too sympathetic when she came to bail me out, (IF she came to bail me out!). LOL.
On the way home I stopped at a John Deere dealer and got some corn head grease to fill my steering box. So it turned out to be a productive day!
Doug.

02-01-2017, 09:06 AM	#1
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Question for Canadian barners I bought my '34 Ford in western Canada, (Alberta), in 2005. I didn't get a registration when I bought it- only a bill of sale, (with the serial # on it). The fellow I bought it from said he never had a registration and the owner before him didn't either. Now I am trying to register the car in my name so I can take it for inspection and get a license for it. I am in Quebec and at the lic. bureau here they said I can't put the car in my name unless I have a registration certificate. I phoned the Alberta lic. bureau and was told the same thing. They say it was the responsibility of the seller to give me a reg. certificate. I tried to explain that the car sat in a barn for maybe 50 yrs. and the reg. was long gone. But they offered no advice or solution to my problem. Without the reg. they can do nothing! I have put a lot of time and money in this car and if I can't get the license for it I am really up the creek! My question is; have any of you fellows ever had this problem with your cars and, if so, how did you resolve it? Thanks in advance, Doug.

02-01-2017, 09:46 AM	#2
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,416	Re: Question for Canadian barners This is common when purchasing a motor vehicle without documents both in US and Canada plus your DMV folks generally don't have a clue any more than ours. There are ways to get an assemblers title here in the US but I don't know about Canada. Some states here in the US use registration documents only on older cars and title serviceas take advantage of that since it is sometimes very easy to get a registration in those states since they require no title for older cars. Check up on the regs for your province and then see if other provinces may have differences that could be more advantageous or see if there is a way to get the car legal through the judicial system of your province. When there is a will and a few legal affidavits of previous ownership, there is likely a way that is legal and legitimate.

02-01-2017, 09:58 AM	#4
Ron Pilger Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camrose, Alberta Posts: 396	Re: Question for Canadian barners I had this same issue after rebuilding a 1937 Ford cabriolet from parts gathered from far and wide. I'm from Alberta. After discussing this situation ad nauseum with multiple registry people I went to a lawyer friend with a consise letter of explanation and my simple bill of sale for a bare 37 body. He had me sign an affidavit that the sale document and my letter was true and that the serial number that I was using was indeed relevant to the vehicle. In reality this whole exercise was smoke and mirrors and irrelevant to the registration process. However, the barely above her teens registry clerk loved all the official documents and I was out the door with everything I needed in less than five.

02-01-2017, 10:52 AM	#5
kirkf Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 228	Re: Question for Canadian barners I had this same problem in Manitoba in September. The registry agent simply couldn't wrap their head around the idea that the vehicle was last insured before computers existed. After two weeks of this mess I gave up and went to a different agent and they did it in five minutes with a simple phone call. So the first thing I would do is go to a different insurance / registry outlet and try again. You could also look up your local vintage car club and give one of the members a call. I'm sure they have been through it as well. Kirk __________________ 1953 Ford F100 1950 Ford F47 (F1) 1940 Ford Pickup

02-01-2017, 12:09 PM	#6
allout Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: BC Posts: 18	Re: Question for Canadian barners Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) You could also look up your local vintage car club and give one of the members a call. I'm sure they have been through it as well. Kirk[/QUOTE] This is exactly what I did. They put me in contact with a retired ICBC agent who knew the right way to get this accomplished. It ended up costing me $100 for his time and the registry fee. Well worth it and way easier then dealing with the insurance agent just out of high school that doesn't even have their drivers licence yet.

02-01-2017, 01:01 PM	#7
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,090	Re: Question for Canadian barners That's a growing problem for anyone with an old car, let alone one that is 83 years old. The passage of time has resulted in a loss of knowledge about all the variations in local titling and registration practices in the past, many of which have changed in the ensuing years. When you try explain that some jurisdictions did not issue titles back in the day to someone young enough to be your grandchild, you often get a blank, suspicious look, which in some cases suggest that you're trying to pull a fast one. As often as not, there's no one in the office that the clerk can turn to for enlightenment.

02-01-2017, 05:39 PM	#8
Dyna Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 55	Re: Question for Canadian barners I had the same situation with my 1948 Merc 114 made in Windsor. The guy I bought it from in Ontario said the car came from Sask.,had never been registered in Ontario. Any licence bureau will have a printout of what is needed to register the car. A sworn affidavit is required. I "googled" the affidavit and found a site that had a "boilerplate affidavit"-just fill in the blanks. I took it to our local licence bureau and he said it was one of the best he has seen. Some licence offices have someone who can act as a notary so you dont' have to pay a lot (lawyer) to get the affidavit notarized. Hope this helps. Let me know if I can explain further.

02-01-2017, 09:33 PM	#9
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners Thanks to all for responding. I spoke to a guy today who had a similar problem and resolved it by going directly to the provincial police. They will do a search to see if the car was stolen and, (for a fee), supply the necessary documentation so I can register it. Hope it works out! I will keep you posted on the outcome. Doug.

02-02-2017, 12:47 AM	#10
Manuel Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ACT Australia Posts: 506	Re: Question for Canadian barners "It ended up costing me $100 for his time and the registry fee." All that for $100?? Seems very reasonable. How much does it cost to register a vehicle there? Manuel in Oz

02-02-2017, 11:47 AM	#11
Capn John Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: BIRTHPLACE OF SPEED, FLORIDA Posts: 531	Re: Question for Canadian barners For information: http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/ABenginenumbers.htm

02-09-2017, 03:43 PM	#12
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners Update on my situation; still getting the runaround from the buraucracy!! After many phone calls etc. I was able to speak to a police officer who told me there was a form he could provide me with which shoud resolve the issue. He came and looked at the car and verified that the serial # on my bill of sale was correct and did a search to prove that the car was never reported stolen. We filled out the form and off I went back to the license bureau and was told that the form means nothing and without a registration I cannot put the car in my name!!!! Not sure what to do next but I'm starting to get really scared that I'll never be able to register this car in my name. I've spent a lot of money and countless hours on this car. Anyone out there with any ideas I would be grateful for your input. Doug.

02-10-2017, 08:31 AM	#15
Dyna Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 55	Re: Question for Canadian barners Can't understand why you are having such a problem. Are the laws different in Quebec than Ontario? If you see my previous post, it is pretty straightforward in Ontario even with no registration. The avidavit that you have to write and have notorized is the key component, along with a bill of sale. The licence bureau should be guiding you through this, it's not like this has never happened before.

02-10-2017, 09:53 AM	#16
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners Dyna, unfortunately Quebec is notorious for its love of buraucracy. On top of that there seems to be some kind of rivalry or politics going on between the police and the licence bureau. The officer who came and saw my car was very helpful and accomodating and we filled out this 'special' form which he signed. When I took the form and my bill of sale to the lic. bur. the woman there told me that form only proves the car was never stolen and means nothing to them as far as acquiring a registration. I asked her why the police said this is what I need and all I got was attitude from her! She said she doesn't give out traffic tickets on her days off and the police dept. has no authorization in their affairs! I said, 'merci beaucoup' and walked out! Doug.

02-10-2017, 10:16 AM	#17
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners I forgot to mention that I did ask about a notorized statement from the guy I bought it from saying he never had a registration and the answer was still no! Doug.

02-10-2017, 10:25 AM	#18
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,416	Re: Question for Canadian barners Whether it is a title or a registration, it all boils down to legal ownership. It sounds like folks in your registration bureau may not understand all the regulations and they could probably care less since this is basic human nature (a position of power can go to some peoples head). You need to find out from someone in the know or you need to get access to the regulations and find out if there is a procedure that the RB folks you have been dealing with don't know about. Here in the US, a person can get a legal ownership of anything from a court order. In this case the judge is a representative of a state that can grant you legal ownership of what you have. This is legal representation by the state and it has to be recognized by all of the state officials or they will be in violation of a state court order. There are similar ways of doing this in some states through a bonded title but all that does is give notice that a person is taking legal possession of something in that state but in a way it amounts to about the same thing. I'm sure that such things can be done in a province of Canada as well. This is how a government can confiscate a possession, for one reason or another, from someone and in turn distribute that article to another person through due process. These processes go on daily in just about every free nation in the world as well as a lot of dictatorships. In that case they just take what they want so that doesn't apply here.

02-10-2017, 10:34 AM	#19
Ken Arms Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Essex Vermont Posts: 599	Re: Question for Canadian barners Doug, what if you sell it to me, then I register it in Vermont and sell it back to you! Just a thought if you cant find another resolution. I don't know if it would work but if you investigate it and it would I am happy to help. I'm near Burlington Vt about 100 miles from Montreal

02-10-2017, 10:44 AM	#20
OLD AS I Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Oakwood, ON Canada Posts: 251	Re: Question for Canadian barners Id try to register it in another province, hopefully you'd know someone, might be best in Alberta, no PST there, just GST @ 5%, you might be able to put in in your name, friends address then move to QC and change address, theres gotta be a way to beat the government

02-10-2017, 11:20 AM	#21
Bill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 469	Re: Question for Canadian barners I can't comment on Quebecs' DMV laws but I registered a 1940 Ford in NS on a Bill of Sale seven years ago with no problem. The car had not been registered for over 40 years still no problem. A retired former DMV person guided the transaction and it was 100% above board and legitimate. You're just not dealing with the right people. Too bad U didn't deal with this issue when the car had a significantly lower value. I'm thinking about the value for taxes on the transfer. There is a guy from Montreal who sometimes posts here, has a blue 39/40 in his avatar who might shed some light on the process can't remember his name, maybe "Dip" Good luck Bill

02-10-2017, 11:36 AM	#22
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,416	Re: Question for Canadian barners Quebec seems to have a different procedure than other provinces. I had a look as the SAAQ site and there seem to be two procedures that can be followed depending on circumstances of the vehicle. One is replacement of lost registration but the procedure is vague and has a lot of warnings attached. The other is for handcrafted, modified, or rebuilt vehicles. This one is less vague but a lot more complicated too. Here is a link https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle-r...built-vehicle/

02-10-2017, 01:12 PM	#23
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners Thanks to all of you who took the time to post your comments. It is much appreciated. I've been on the SAAQ website many times and as far as rebuilt vehicles I believe they are referring to wrecked cars and, as you say, it's a complicated process. Ken, thanks for your kind offer but if we do that I would need documentation from Canada Customs showing that I brought the car into Canada legally. I am now trying to contact the fellow I bought it from to see if there's anything he can do. He has about 25 antique cars in his collection and is probably well known at his local licence bureau, (Alberta). I'm told it's relatively easy to get a registration there so maybe he can get it and send it to me. Failing that I will try my luck at one of the larger lic. centers in Montreal. The one I've been dealing with is in a small town close to where i live. Many thanks, Doug.

02-10-2017, 04:04 PM	#25
Bulligen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Elgin Illinois Posts: 736	Re: Question for Canadian barners That is what I was going to suggest, sell it to one of our Ford Barn guys that has had good luck in their province or state and after he get the official registration or Title he will sell it back to you for a dollar and sign it over to you. We all know this is rubbish but you have to work with what you have!

02-10-2017, 04:20 PM	#26
Chisel Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 232	Re: Question for Canadian barners Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Hey Bulligen: That's a nice looking pickup. chisel __________________ Chisel Evil Lurks...for those that don't carry a side arm!!!

02-10-2017, 04:31 PM	#27
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners Yes, Robert and I are good pals. We actually met thru the Ford Barn. He's been out here a number of times and I've been in to see him and drooled over his nice collection of cars! Robert is very knowledgable and I e-mailed him a few days ago and just waiting to hear back from him. I believe he's in California right now and enjoying life on a beautiful property that he bought out there! Doug.

02-10-2017, 05:00 PM	#29
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners That car is awesome!! Robert came here for a visit in that coupe and we burnt up some country roads around here! I had a blast driving it!

02-10-2017, 05:27 PM	#30
kirkf Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 228	Re: Question for Canadian barners Have you been going to the same registration office each time? If so I would go to a different one. EDIT: I see above you have been dealing with the same one in your small town. I would drive into Montreal and do it there. Kirk __________________ 1953 Ford F100 1950 Ford F47 (F1) 1940 Ford Pickup

02-10-2017, 07:29 PM	#31
CPatton Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 4	Re: Question for Canadian barners What about talking to someone from a Quebec Model T or Model A club or a Hot Rod club. Some of their members must have gone through the same thing you are trying to do.

02-12-2017, 12:41 AM	#34
Randy in ca Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,640	Re: Question for Canadian barners Personally I would try to have it registered other than as an antique if possible. Although this would undoubtably be more expensive. Being able to only drive it only on streets/roads where the speed limit is 70 kph (40mph) or less, as stated on the webpage, seems pretty restrictive as to where you can go (whether you drive faster than that or not). What does your friend Robert do in this regard?

02-12-2017, 08:05 AM	#35
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners I agree, Randy. If I ever get the paper work sorted out I will register it as a regular car with no restrictions. Thanks. Doug.

02-17-2017, 06:51 AM	#36
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners Update; I went to one of the larger license centers and spoke with someone who was very efficient and helpful. I was there for quite some time while she discussed my situation on the phone with one of the head-honchos in Quebec City. The upshot is that I need to do four things before I can have the car registered in my name; -Write a detailed letter explaining why I did not register the car when I first got it back in 2005 -Have an appraisal done to determine the value of the car -Have the car weighed on an electronic scale, (I had the Ford book with me showing the weight on page G-20 but that wouldn't do). -Have the police fill in and sign another form because the one I had with me had expired. It was only good for 48 hrs.(I didn't read the fine print). All this seems like a huge hassel but at least I now know that it's do-able! Let the 'hoop jumping' begin!!! Doug.

04-05-2017, 03:28 PM	#37
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners I finally got the car registered in my name! After a ton of red tape and several trips to the SAAQ it's now officially MY car. The next step is the inspection but I'm not too concerned about that- it should pass, (famous last words). The lady even gave me a plate with 34 on it! Thanks to all of you who posted with your ideas and support. Doug.

04-05-2017, 03:39 PM	#38
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,416	Re: Question for Canadian barners That's worth whooping it up and happy dancing over. I'm glad it went your way.

04-05-2017, 04:39 PM	#39
Ron Pilger Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camrose, Alberta Posts: 396	Re: Question for Canadian barners I am the associate publisher of a community newspaper in central Alberta. When this "FordBarn saga" started weeks back I assigned one of my reporters to go to our Alberta Registry office and interview the general manager to get the straight goods on the process or acquiring plates for a vintage vehicle. I'm hopeful his summary, as published in March, 2017, might be helpful, at least to car hobbyists in our neck of the woods. Here goes: Vintage plates for your classic vehicle By Murray Green, The Camrose Booster. After you have restored or repaired an older vehicle you need to decide on your driving habits, where or when you will taking that vehicle on the road. If you are driving the vehicle like any other that are currently on the road they you simply go to a registry office and complete the paper work. However, an antique passenger or motorcycle plate is available for vehicles or motorcycles that are 25 years old or more. “An antique plate can only used as a collector’s item in exhibitions, in club activities, parades, as transportation to and from these events and as transportation to servicing appointments,” said Karen Dammann, manager of Camrose Registry. “Once you have an antique plate, you don’t have to renew it. You only have to register it once with one fee. That is the good thing about an antique plate.” To purchase an antique plate, you must provide acceptable identification, the vehicle must be a minimum of 25 years old, if it’s imported you need an import form, have proof of ownership and if the vehicle is from outside Alberta, you have a vehicle inspection. “If the vehicle is too old to be included the registry system anymore, it would need an out of province inspection, even if it was an Alberta vehicle,” explained Karen. “If the vehicle is not in the system, we would have create it again. We can only create a file if it has an out of province inspection.” Restoring and registering a vehicle without a serial number can be done. “You would have to get a serial number assigned to that vehicle and the cost is a little over $500 and that is through the Insurance Bureau of Canada. We have forms to fill out to start the process, or they are available on line. That is above what it costs normally to register the vehicle,” she added. Only approved certified mechanics can perform out of province inspections. Check with your local mechanics for details. Forms are available at the registry office.

04-05-2017, 06:25 PM	#40
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners Ron, many thanks for the time and effort for that! Much appreciated! The plan is to license it as a regular car with no restrictions. My work is about 10 mins. away and I'd like to drive there with it on a regular basis. I live about 5 mins. from the U.S. border and if I want to go for a drive around upstate NY or Vermont I want to have the right license, ins. etc. to do so. I want this to be my 'daily driver' and use it as much as possible. I've learned from past experience that the more you drive these cars the 'happier' they are. When they sit around for any length of time there always seems to be 'issues'. Anyway, that's the plan..... Doug.

04-05-2017, 08:32 PM	#41
allout Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: BC Posts: 18	Re: Question for Canadian barners Awesome. Glad you got it figured out. Enjoy

04-06-2017, 10:55 AM	#43
1934 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 415	Re: Question for Canadian barners KGS, that's just too funny and exactly how I felt when I got the registration in my hand! I wanted to kiss the lady when she gave it to me but I thought I'd better not because I might have got arrested! My wife probably wouldn't have been too sympathetic when she came to bail me out, (IF she came to bail me out!). LOL. On the way home I stopped at a John Deere dealer and got some corn head grease to fill my steering box. So it turned out to be a productive day! Doug.