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Old 07-24-2016, 11:40 AM   #21
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John, if you look closely at the pics you'll see that the bucket of my tractor is what is holding the car up. Doug.
Hi Everyone, Well there's a new way to get yer' back tires up in the air! Handy thing you've got there!

That's an interesting looking rear spring. The leaves are flat ended, it seems.
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Old 07-24-2016, 04:51 PM   #22
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John, if you look closely at the pics you'll see that the bucket of my tractor is what is holding the car up. The blocks hold it up if I need to take the tractor away for something. But I would never crawl around under it with just those blocks! Thanks for your concern; you can't be too careful!
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Okay, great! I did not see that as being a tractor bucket, but I feel better now . After having a car fall on someone I knew, and nearly having one fall on me in my late teens to early twenties, I am now a bit paranoid about getting under a car that's jacked up. Last month I had the rear out of my '35 fordor and six jack stands under the frame and some back up supports for those, and some back ups for the back ups . I took some pics of all of this, and will post if I can find them.
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1934 Don't kick the bucket. Put some 4 legged jack stands under the car instead of those 4x4's. Too easy for those pieces of wood to wobble and collapse.
Looks like you're making great progress.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:26 PM   #24
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:29 PM   #25
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Now that right there is what I'm talking about . That's the picture that subconsciously goes through my mind whenever I get under my car. I always wondered if that guy got his truck repaired, OR.....???
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:22 AM   #27
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I realize it is a major pain in the butt to pull the body again, but I really think that is what should be done to remove/repair the cross-member. It is one of those things that initially sounds like too much work, but since you've obviously done it a few times before, I think you'll find it to be easier in the end. Being able to rivet and/or weld from above the frame will be a lot better in my mind. I know I can't TIG weld above my head worth a crap, but can weld all day when I'm sitting down and working from above. Good luck - will be great to see this car with the rear-end where it belongs.
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Old 07-25-2016, 05:55 PM   #28
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Yes, the body has to come off. There's just no other way to deal with the cross member. Nice to know you guys are out there and I appreciate the comments and positive reinforcement!
I will keep you posted with the progress.
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:48 AM   #29
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And Doug - just to show yah I really care . . . her is my first car . . . had the body off a couple times

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Then I swapped the body to a guy - just had to have a coupe (which I still have):

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Old 07-26-2016, 07:10 AM   #30
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So many people are ignorant about the two different length Tail Shafts in the 33 and 34 Fords. They think that they can just swap a V8 in a car that was originally a 4 with no other changes except the Gearbox. This is the first time I have heard the rear cross member being moved forward. I know of two examples locally where the owner has recessed the Firewall so that the engine and gearbox matches up with the tailshaft. It is great that you are making good progress in rectifying this mistake. Take care when working under the car. Also be careful of sparks from the cutting wheel near the fuel tank.
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Old 07-26-2016, 08:16 PM   #31
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Nice looking car, B. and S. Thanks for posting! Mercman, no worries- one of the first things I did was to remove the fuel tank, (and the gas line).
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:36 AM   #32
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John, if you look closely at the pics you'll see that the bucket of my tractor is what is holding the car up. The blocks hold it up if I need to take the tractor away for something. But I would never crawl around under it with just those blocks! Thanks for your concern; you can't be too careful!
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The rubber o rings in the tractor are what is holding that car up. I always use jack stands. they're relatively cheap and I readily acknowledge that placing them under the car is the most dangerous thing because you crawl under with it on the jack.
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:21 PM   #33
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The rubber o rings in the tractor are what is holding that car up.
How is it that the "o rings in the tractor" are holding-up the car? The bucket certainly appears to be resting on the concrete floor. DD

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Old 07-27-2016, 03:34 PM   #34
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I would offer my "Two cents" as well. If you think there is even a remote possibility of body removal again down the road, consider "Velcro" instead of bolts. I do agree with all the other guys, Do it over and do it right, you will not be sorry. Although a four door sedan is not the tops in desirability it is after all a 34 and we have to save them all ! Do you know of friends who have a spare frame ? Another thought. I was interested in a 34 sedan in NY state a few years ago and was told it has a bit of rust, went out with a trailer and cash. Not pretty ! You would have had to "bondo" it up to the door handles, so we left it. Best of luck and don't get discouraged .
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Ok guys- no more 4 x 4s, jack stands, or tractor buckets! I re-installed the rear axle, temporarily, (without the torque tube/drive shaft). Now I can safely crawl around underneath and remove the body bolts. Once the body is off I can deal with the cross-member from the top of the chassis without 'fearing for my life'! Thanks again for all your comments.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:17 PM   #36
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How is it that the "o rings in the tractor" are holding-up the car? The bucket certainly appears to be resting on the concrete floor. DD

Because the o-rings are keeping the bucket from rolling to the open position!
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Old 07-31-2016, 09:36 AM   #37
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Hi guys, got the body off with help from my son, (and the Kubota). Now the fun begins! Lots of welds to deal with on the cross member.
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Old 08-01-2016, 08:23 AM   #38
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Great Job! We all realize it is a big pain to do this, but you'll be so much happier in the end - as you'll actually be able to do the job correctly and not be working upside down from the floor. You might think about some rear shocks at the same time - as I didn't see the stock ones (which are very hard to find). Having a set of shocks on these old cars really does improve the handling.

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Yes, I have the rear shocks. I just took them off when I was taking everything apart. Thanks,
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And Doug - just to show yah I really care . . . her is my first car . . . had the body off a couple times

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Then I swapped the body to a guy - just had to have a coupe (which I still have):

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I just saw the picture of your 4 door w/o fenders. Did you race this car at Irwindale in the mid 70's at the Antique National drags? If not there was one there which looked just like it.
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