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07-03-2016, 04:34 PM | #1 |
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Oil gallery modification
My 29 Special Coupe I find has had a modification in the oil supply gallery where the valve springs are located. I decided to inspect the bottom end of the engine and oil gallery for any gunk build up. Both appear normal for the driving I have done over the years which is not much driving. But looking at the front of the oil gallery I find a hole that lets oil flow from the gallery to the timing gear area. This hole has been modified. During an overhaul in the past someone lowered the bottom of the hole by cutting away some material. This will lower the level of the oil in this front sump. By running a straight edge along the top of the front dam it looks like the bottom of this hole is 0.2 inches lower than that straight edge.
My question is, why would someone make such a modification and isn't that mod cutting down on the amount of oil flowing to the other two oil bays. I have a picture of this but don't know how to send it being a new member. I hope I explained this well enough. Thanks guys. |
07-03-2016, 04:49 PM | #2 |
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Re: Oil gallery modification
I believe you are referring to the rough broken out casting hole right behind the timing gear. If so, the hole is factory but you noticed the bottom had been lowered a bit. I don't think .2" would make any difference as there is still enough depth of the oil pool to feed the front main tube, but you could JB Weld it back up to height if you want.
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07-03-2016, 06:19 PM | #3 |
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Re: Oil gallery modification
Yes, there would be plenty of oil for the front bearing. But, that lowering of oil in that chamber would reduce the amount of oil flowing over the dam to the second and third chambers, wouldn't it.
You mentioned something that may explain things. You said rough broken out hole. Maybe this is the was it was made from the factory. It is quite rough and appears to have some small drill hole along the bottom edge. It would be nice to see what another one looks like. My concern is starvation of oil at the center and aft main bearings. Last edited by EZDriver; 07-03-2016 at 07:21 PM. |
07-03-2016, 08:48 PM | #4 |
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Re: Oil gallery modification
EZ, the engine sits at a 3 degree angle tilted back (if I remember right) so the main and rear bearing will be fine. To post a picture, go to advanced, then scroll down to 'manage attachments'. click on that and a small window will pop up that is where you upload your pictures.
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07-04-2016, 12:59 AM | #5 |
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Re: Oil gallery modification
I read that the A pump puts out something like 8 gals a minute at 2000 RPM. That's like 2 cups a second. I would not worry.
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07-04-2016, 01:43 AM | #6 |
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07-04-2016, 08:13 AM | #7 |
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Re: Oil gallery modification
I was going-over the block of a "diamond" engine before sending it to the machine shop, and noticed that the hole between the front of the valve gallery and the timing case looked pretty ragged.
It also did not appear that much ( if any ) time was spend dressing the edges to clean-up casting flash, particularly the lower edge of the hole. I spent a little time with a file, neatening things up. Didn't really lower the bottom edge, just took the "teeth" off it. Frank |
07-04-2016, 10:40 AM | #8 |
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Re: Oil gallery modification
If you wish, please review this article on the changes within the Model A Ford engine block (and outside).
http://www.plucks329s.org/pdf/engine...ESCRIPTION.pdf It may or may not help you with your question. Pluck Last edited by Steve Plucker; 07-04-2016 at 10:49 AM. |
07-04-2016, 10:52 AM | #9 | |
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Quote:
The following study/guide is an update from an article that appeared in the May-June, 2003 issue of Model A News titled “The Evolution of the Model “A” Ford Cylinder Block, A-6010”. The according to the Part’s Price Lists.“Cylinder Block”, however, itself, is actually A-6015! A-6010, Cylinder, not only includes the block but also the cylinder oil hole plug, cylinder head studs, cylinder head nuts, exhaust and intake manifold studs, manifold stud nuts, manifold clamps, manifold glands, and manifold gaskets Pluck |
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07-04-2016, 10:55 AM | #10 |
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Re: Oil gallery modification
Oil does not need to go over the first dam. If you look at the cover you will see that oil can go around the dam and into the middle chamber. Ron W
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