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Old 06-07-2010, 06:35 AM   #21
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I searched my old Motors manual ('35-'50) and the only torque specs I found under Ford was for the head, but "only when a torque wrench was available". So who's right, who's wrong ? I think Marco hit on it.
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:17 AM   #22
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I searched my old Motors manual ('35-'50) and the only torque specs I found under Ford was for the head, but "only when a torque wrench was available". So who's right, who's wrong ? I think Marco hit on it.
I'm guessing your Motors Manual is a 1950 version. It would be interesting to find the first printing of a Motors manual that includes any mention of torque values.

It appears the first patent for a torque wrench was 2,159,354, granted in 1939. It's interesting that the patent application mentions "the tightening of cylinder head nuts on internal combustion engines or assembling precision devices such as air craft engines and the like"

I'm really curious when torque standards were finally adopted by the auto industry.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:56 AM   #23
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Reminds me of the exchange on "proper torqueage" in My Cousin Vinnie. Marisa Tomei's performance was inspired. If you haven't seen it in a while, go through the $5 bin at WalMart and get it! Great motorhead movie!!
As for proper torque application being related to the leverage of graduated wrench lengths ... I am in need of a new set, with each wrench about 3 inches longer than the set I bought back in '75!
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Old 06-07-2010, 01:51 PM   #24
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I'm guessing your Motors Manual is a 1950 version. It would be interesting to find the first printing of a Motors manual that includes any mention of torque values.

It appears the first patent for a torque wrench was 2,159,354, granted in 1939. It's interesting that the patent application mentions "the tightening of cylinder head nuts on internal combustion engines or assembling precision devices such as air craft engines and the like"

I'm really curious when torque standards were finally adopted by the auto industry.
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Marco, Your 100% right on the publishing date.
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Old 06-07-2010, 02:35 PM   #25
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Marco, Your 100% right on the publishing date.
Also Marco, My old Dyke's Book (Nineteenth Edition) Published in 1942 Doesn't mention anything about a torque wrench or torque specs..
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Old 06-07-2010, 02:43 PM   #26
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Most people miss the first step in tightening anything..forethought.. at 20 lbs. the pan gasket IS split at the bolt hole!
A lot of you guys have done this ALL your life, some 1 or 2 times , this maybe there first experience with taking anything apart! I have 4 torque wrenches and they specifics uses. At one time or another I have torqued EVERY part on an engine, depending on it's use or design
This mite be a good time to write a list of what type of tools to use were(the RETIRED guys are the writers), for the folks that are lost or need a hand? Think about this, I saw somebody tighten a rear axle nut with a 12" Crescent!
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Old 06-07-2010, 04:46 PM   #27
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i have a third printing and it shows head rod and main bearing torque values
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Old 06-07-2010, 04:53 PM   #28
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A nutdriver works for me .
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Old 06-07-2010, 07:30 PM   #29
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Default Re: Don't get anal about bolts and torque!

Found this chart in a forgotten tool "shed" on my grandpa's farm.

i find it interesting and kinda on this topic.

yes i know its kinda rough but was used and used well








back of the chart





newest vehicle on there is 1941.
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:17 AM   #30
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several years ago (97) I had a motor rebuilt I delivered motor his shop looked as we went back in time,his tools were tool kit tools,I saw no torque wrenches,air tools or nothing modern,I picked motor up maybe 3 months looked like a brand new motor and never had 1 problem,I can't remember his name but lived in Madison,MO I believe
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