Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-02-2013, 04:30 PM   #1
duffer
Senior Member
 
duffer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: clinton township michigan
Posts: 273
Default Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Here is the car that i took the A-1 vin from that caused all the commotion...I guess i can be forgiven now. If anyone wants a larger picture i can email it to you.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Model A Edison.jpg (36.6 KB, 541 views)
duffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 04:32 PM   #2
duffer
Senior Member
 
duffer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: clinton township michigan
Posts: 273
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

The attachments would not let me put my other picture in ...It kept saying "download failed. It was 6.2 MB , 4608 X 3072 pixels...
duffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 05-02-2013, 05:07 PM   #3
FL&WVMIKE
Senior Member
 
FL&WVMIKE's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Daytona Beach, Fl & Spencer, W. Va,
Posts: 4,432
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by duffer View Post
The attachments would not let me put my other picture in ...It kept saying "download failed. It was 6.2 MB , 4608 X 3072 pixels...
duffer ....................
You can not post a photo on Fordbarn, which is more than 800 pixals wide. If you resize it, it will probably work.
MIKE
FL&WVMIKE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 05:40 PM   #4
Joe K
Senior Member
 
Joe K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Cow Hampshire
Posts: 3,890
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

There has been a lot of discussion regarding Edison's Model A. I don't remember the specifics except to say that the car seemingly was made and re-made by Ford himself to suit Edison or himself on at least two occasions.

Steve P may remember more as he no doubt paid attention to the "type study" aspects of the engine and other parts.

Joe K
__________________
Shudda kept the horse.
Joe K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 05:44 PM   #5
duffer
Senior Member
 
duffer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: clinton township michigan
Posts: 273
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Maybe this picture will be bigger.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Edison's car.jpg (52.7 KB, 345 views)
duffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 05:47 PM   #6
Phil
Senior Member
 
Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bethany, Ok
Posts: 382
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
I would to have an email of the picture.

Think I have read Henry built the car as a Pheaton, mr Edison was getting up in years and did not want an open car so ford pulled the body an installed a tudor body. May just be an urbin legend.
Phil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 05:50 PM   #7
duffer
Senior Member
 
duffer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: clinton township michigan
Posts: 273
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Last try for size .I'm getting better.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg photo.jpg (72.4 KB, 448 views)
duffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 06:36 PM   #8
walt jones
Senior Member
 
walt jones's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
Posts: 101
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Just saw this car Tuesday while at the MAFFI Museum to deliver a car. The museum and all of its cars are beautiful.
__________________
Walt
walt jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 07:24 PM   #9
Mitch//pa
BANNED
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bucks County, PA
Posts: 11,454
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Mitch//pa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 07:38 PM   #10
SkimmerBob
Senior Member
 
SkimmerBob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Riverview, Michigan
Posts: 127
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Hey Phil I think it was the reverse. Ford gave him a Tudor But Tom liked open cars. so he took it back later & changed the body to what he (Tom) wanted.
SkimmerBob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 08:15 PM   #11
Brendan
Senior Member
 
Brendan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: At my kitchen table in Santa Rosa, Ca
Posts: 2,886
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

that's kool, where is the Gilmore museum?
__________________
If it would have been a snake it would have bit ya!

i can't spell my way out of a paper bag!
Brendan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 08:38 PM   #12
callcoy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hendersonville TN
Posts: 180
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

The Museum is northwest of Battle Creek Mich. about a half an hour or northeast of Kalamazoo maybe 15 minutes. About equal distance from Detroit and Chicago, a little longer to Indianapolis. Will be there the May 15th-19th after the the Blue Ridge tour, I live in your town, contact me after I return June 15th and I can give you more details.
__________________
Steve - Santa Rosa
callcoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 08:38 PM   #13
Phil
Senior Member
 
Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bethany, Ok
Posts: 382
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Gilmore and the new Model A museum are in Hickory corners, MI.

Yeah, story of my life close but to cookie. Thought it might be a legend anyway.
Phil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 08:59 PM   #14
Phil
Senior Member
 
Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bethany, Ok
Posts: 382
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkimmerBob View Post
Hey Phil I think it was the reverse. Ford gave him a Tudor But Tom liked open cars. so he took it back later & changed the body to what he (Tom) wanted.
Yep, went back and did my history lesson. Tudor then Phaeton body, my bad. Wonder what happened to the one Will Rogers got?
Phil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2013, 07:19 AM   #15
lookin-backtexas
Senior Member
 
lookin-backtexas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Georgetown, Texas
Posts: 396
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Yep, went back and did my history lesson. Tudor then Phaeton body, my bad. Wonder what happened to the one Will Rogers got?
Phil:
This won't tell what happened to the one Will Rogers got but it's a nice "overview" of what Will Rogers thought about Henry Ford:

Will Rogers on Henry Ford and the Automobile
(comments made before 1935)

"There is more money invested in garages than in schools and churches. 98.5% of the building permits in small towns are for filling stations. Over two-thirds of the unemployed in this country are working in filling stations. If people slept in filling stations instead of just driving by them, it would solve the housing problem of this country.
"There are 300,000 men just pumping gas into cars every minute of the day in America alone...193,000 just fixing punctures...800,000 just looking on, with 750,000 of 'em offering advice - .009% successfully...[There's]187,000 people every minute of the day just cranking the old ones [Model Ts and Model As], 81 with results. There is 43,000 just holding up the hoods of Fords looking at them, 42,598 with the same expression.
"[Henry] Ford made a car that runs with your feet instead of your head and hands. He was smart enough to know more people knew how to use their feet than they do their head or hands. He has made more business for an undertaker than any other one thing, with the exception of Prohibition. Monday moprning after a beautiful sunshiny Sunday finds the undertaker singing at his work.
"He has caused more people to go into debt than for rent or food. He has drove more states, counties, towns, and federal governments into debt than the World War. We owe more for roads than we did to persuade the Germans to 'Please leave Belgium.' Had we no good roads, we would miss all the scandal in the Highway Department. No state ever worries about who will be governor - it's who will be on the highway commission? I care not who writes a nation's songs: give me the highway contracts to deal out and I will show you what hard work, perseverances and taking advantage of your opportunities will do. He has given us our second biggest problem we have today, namely: 'After it's parked (and you come back and get it), how am I going to get home in it through the traffic?' That's why so many people leave 'em parked.
Great educators try to teach poeople, preachers try to change people, but no man produced through the accepted channels has moved the world like Henry Ford. He put wheels on our homes - a man's castle is his sedan; life's greatest catastrophe is a puncture. Americans don't fear the Lord as much as they do the next payment. Everybody is rushing to get somewhere where they have no business being, so they can hurry back again to the place they should never have left. "So good luck, Mr. Ford. It will take a hundred years to tell whether you have helped us or hurt us, but you certainly didn't leave us like you found us."

In fact Will Rogers actually nominated Henry Ford for President on May 31, 1923 in New York City. He said Democrats are the middle of the road party, Republicans are the straddle the road party and dubbed Henry Ford as head of what he called the "All Over The Road" party; his speech said Mr. Ford should win the election since he already carries 2/3rd of the American public and concluded with the remark, "There's no reason there shouldn't be a Ford in the White House, they're everywhere else." Here's the actual 2 minute speech you can listen to from the History Channel:
http://www.history.com/speeches/will...-for-president
__________________
Fred Carlton
Life Member AACA
44 year member MAFCA
Editor of The Restorer magazine, official publication of MAFCA 12 years
Life Member Dallas Model A Ford Club (44 years)
23 year member & founder Lone Star Model A Ford Club
Chairman 35th Model A Ford Texas Tour 1998 (state convention)
Chairman 42nd Model A Ford Texas Tour 2005 (state convention)
Charter Member Ford Model AA Truck Club
If you aren't driving your antique car frequently, you might as well be collecting clocks!!!

Last edited by lookin-backtexas; 05-03-2013 at 07:35 AM.
lookin-backtexas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2013, 03:06 PM   #16
duffer
Senior Member
 
duffer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: clinton township michigan
Posts: 273
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
that's kool, where is the Gilmore museum?
go on google and search gilmore car museum..there are alot of good pictures on there
duffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2013, 07:31 AM   #17
Ronnie Lawson
Senior Member
 
Ronnie Lawson's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Columbus, IN
Posts: 158
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

2013-03-17_15-41-59_927.jpg
This is the No. 1
Ronnie Lawson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2013, 07:59 AM   #18
duffer
Senior Member
 
duffer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: clinton township michigan
Posts: 273
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronnie Lawson View Post
Attachment 128733
This is the No. 1
Same pictures as my earlier post.
duffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2013, 08:03 AM   #19
Steve Plucker
BANNED
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA
Posts: 6,066
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronnie Lawson View Post
Attachment 128733
This is the No. 1
Are we sure about that?

Just what is the actual LENGTH of the engine number pad in *A1* using the real car it is in?

Please take a photo of the pad with a ruler underneath the pad itself if anyone is going to the museum in the near future.

Pluck
Steve Plucker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2013, 09:11 AM   #20
Joe K
Senior Member
 
Joe K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Cow Hampshire
Posts: 3,890
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Plucker View Post
Are we sure about that?

Just what is the actual LENGTH of the engine number pad in *A1* using the real car it is in?

Please take a photo of the pad with a ruler underneath the pad itself if anyone is going to the museum in the near future.

Pluck
Somewhere, in the judging standards perhaps, they discuss the "type study" of engine number pads. IIRC, the earliest pads were larger, "shield shaped," almost incorporating the water inlet flange, and were set aside early due to changes in the production methods of the engine block?

This apparently all part of the controversy of this supposed "engine No. 1."

I have a replacement engine that came with my truck. It has a "blank" unmolested number pad, very obviously as it left Ford. Maybe I'll stamp it "No. 1?"

Well, there is no law against adding to the confusion?

Kidding, of course.

Joe K
__________________
Shudda kept the horse.
Joe K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2013, 09:21 AM   #21
duffer
Senior Member
 
duffer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: clinton township michigan
Posts: 273
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

I am going back out to Gilmore museum today ..i'll take a lot of pictures and under car too if they will let me get close and under the car.And i'll ask about history of the car too.
duffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2013, 03:03 PM   #22
walt jones
Senior Member
 
walt jones's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
Posts: 101
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Jim Spawn who was one of the those responsible for aquiring the car with engine number one the supposed Tom Edison car for the MAFFI Museum, told me that this car belonged to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. They did not have it on display but had it in long term storage. When approched they aggreed to alow MAFFI to display it at the museum.
__________________
Walt

Last edited by walt jones; 05-04-2013 at 03:05 PM. Reason: sp
walt jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 05-04-2013, 06:29 PM   #23
d.j. moordigian
Senior Member
 
d.j. moordigian's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Fresno, Ca.
Posts: 3,636
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Plucker View Post
Are we sure about that?

Just what is the actual LENGTH of the engine number pad in *A1* using the real car it is in?

Please take a photo of the pad with a ruler underneath the pad itself if anyone is going to the museum in the near future.

Pluck
I'm with you...but I know...photos lie?
The other thing from this photo...NOW...the pad IS TOO long.
The bolt hole spreed on the ID(of the holes) is 2"..but photos lie.

Steve,..I wrote Tom....I'd like to know the body number...151 sticks
in my head...but that could be the Tudor. You have a reference?
d.j. moordigian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2013, 06:58 PM   #24
Steve Plucker
BANNED
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA
Posts: 6,066
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by duffer View Post
I am going back out to Gilmore museum today ..i'll take a lot of pictures and under car too if they will let me get close and under the car.And i'll ask about history of the car too.
So Duffer...

What is the LENGTH of the engine number pad on *A1*?

Pluck
Steve Plucker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2013, 06:58 PM   #25
Steve Plucker
BANNED
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA
Posts: 6,066
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by d.j. moordigian View Post
I'm with you...but I know...photos lie?
The other thing from this photo...NOW...the pad IS TOO long.
The bolt hole spreed on the ID(of the holes) is 2"..but photos lie.

Steve,..I wrote Tom....I'd like to know the body number...151 sticks
in my head...but that could be the Tudor. You have a reference?
Dudley,

No...I do not know the answer to that one.

Pluck
Steve Plucker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2023, 02:04 AM   #26
Marius Titulescu
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 21
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Quote:
Originally Posted by duffer View Post
I am going back out to Gilmore museum today ..i'll take a lot of pictures and under car too if they will let me get close and under the car.And i'll ask about history of the car too.
I'd love to visit that museum someday.
I always liked that they allow visitors to take a lot of photos.
_____________________
Marius from Artys Transit
Marius Titulescu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2023, 01:09 PM   #27
jetrod
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Central NC
Posts: 64
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

one more bit of info about the #1 phaeton. When I was a youth, in the 50"s, the #1 engine sat is the Henry Ford Museum, on an engine stand, along with the picture of Henry stamping the engine. The phaeton body was displayed elsewhere in the museum. Later,about 1882, as a then member of the Motor Cities Chapter, I with 4 or 5 other members, volunteered to replace the #1 engine into the #1 phaeton, as requested by the museum. This was done on a Sat AM. I do not remember the motor # of the engine that was in the #1 phaeton when we made the swap. The Motor Cities Chapter was at the time meeting in the museum property and the club and the museum had a relationship, thus the request.
jetrod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2023, 01:29 PM   #28
Gene F
Senior Member
 
Gene F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,384
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Does anyone know what the color of that car is?
Gene F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2023, 01:24 AM   #29
lrf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: long beach ca
Posts: 118
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Relating to Will Rogers and Henry Ford for president, I had an original 33rpm record of Will Rogers nominating (and joking) about H. Ford. Our club tour was to the Will Rogers Ranch Home and State Park here in Hollywood/Los Angeles. I donated the record to the estate and got to meet W. Rogers granddaughter who, unknown to me, was there for a business meeting. She said they didn't have this record. She now lives in Bakersfield and the Will Rogers Museum is in his home state of Oklahoma.
lrf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2023, 02:50 AM   #30
mercman from oz
Senior Member
 
mercman from oz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 9,373
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum



Here is a larger picture of the Model A that duffer originally posted.
mercman from oz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2023, 07:59 PM   #31
ModelA29
Senior Member
 
ModelA29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: SoCal
Posts: 222
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Seems like Henry put the engine with *A1* on the shelf (or stamped a fresh one) until manufacturing caught up with demand and he had a spare car to give Edison. I suspect the engine stamped with just the 1 was retained for their archives.

Good YouTube video in this subject
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OXrVLF5Y9o

Last edited by ModelA29; 03-27-2023 at 10:59 AM.
ModelA29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2023, 09:23 AM   #32
BRENT in 10-uh-C
Senior Member
 
BRENT in 10-uh-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Posts: 11,030
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gene F View Post
Does anyone know what the color of that car is?
Dawn Gray DK and Gunmetal Blue...

(We have painted two different cars in the authentic contrasting schemes.)


.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4700.jpg (45.1 KB, 96 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_4701.jpg (56.1 KB, 85 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_4744.jpg (66.6 KB, 89 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_2483.jpg (51.1 KB, 83 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_2491.jpg (41.3 KB, 85 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_2492.jpg (32.5 KB, 78 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_2500.jpg (37.3 KB, 85 views)
__________________
.

BRENT in 10-uh-C
.
www.model-a-ford.com
...(...Finally Updated!! )

.
BRENT in 10-uh-C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2023, 11:18 AM   #33
ModelA29
Senior Member
 
ModelA29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: SoCal
Posts: 222
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Here is a study on the serial number pads - http://www.plucks329s.org/pdf/studie...ND%20CODES.pdf


The pad with the *A1* stamping on the engine does not seem to be correct for the time period. The one in the attached image is *A354* The change to the rectangular pad took place between engine 616 and 633 per the study.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg pad.jpg (40.8 KB, 39 views)
ModelA29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2023, 03:33 PM   #34
Gene F
Senior Member
 
Gene F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,384
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C View Post
Dawn Gray DK and Gunmetal Blue...

(We have painted two different cars in the authentic contrasting schemes.)


.
So it is Dawn Gray Dark, or was this color renamed in later years?
Gene F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2023, 04:37 PM   #35
BRENT in 10-uh-C
Senior Member
 
BRENT in 10-uh-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Posts: 11,030
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gene F View Post
So it is Dawn Gray Dark, or was this color renamed in later years?
Can't speak for renaming it in later years, ...but that is Dawn Gray DK (-or Dark). The paint colors were available in either configuration in 1928.
__________________
.

BRENT in 10-uh-C
.
www.model-a-ford.com
...(...Finally Updated!! )

.
BRENT in 10-uh-C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2023, 05:17 PM   #36
Gene F
Senior Member
 
Gene F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,384
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

I have a 28, and I think it is that color. To tell ya the truth, I thought it was called GunMetal... But in later years there was a GunMetal Blue paint color offered. At least I think that is the way I remember it.

Last edited by Gene F; 03-27-2023 at 06:16 PM.
Gene F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2023, 05:43 PM   #37
ModelA29
Senior Member
 
ModelA29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: SoCal
Posts: 222
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetrod View Post
When I was a youth, in the 50"s, the #1 engine sat is the Henry Ford Museum, on an engine stand, along with the picture of Henry stamping the engine. The phaeton body was displayed elsewhere in the museum. Later,about 1882, as a then member of the Motor Cities Chapter, I with 4 or 5 other members, volunteered to replace the #1 engine into the #1 phaeton, as requested by the museum.
I searched the Ford Museum site and could only locate the photo of him stamping the engine not the engine itself.

I suspect there are 2 engines with the # 1 on them: The first approved engine that Henry stamped with just the 1 digit and the *A1* stamped engine that went into the Phaeton Henry gave to Edison.

The Phaeton provenance is solid. It was gifted back to Ford by Edison's widow in 1943. It would be interesting to see that paperwork and any photos of the car at the time.
Here is the video at the point they talk about the car coming back from Edison: https://youtu.be/1OXrVLF5Y9o?t=416

I suspect the B&W photo is the Edison car in 1928 due to the paint scheme. It's at Ford's Engineering lab which makes sense for it to get a final test and inspection before delivery. The second photo is taken outside Edison's Fort Meyers Laboratory while the car was at Greenfield Village in Dearborn. Both are from Ford's archives. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3046...656?authuser=0
Attached Images
File Type: jpg edison eng lab.jpg (55.4 KB, 30 views)
File Type: jpg edison.jpg (73.4 KB, 33 views)

Last edited by ModelA29; 03-28-2023 at 10:27 PM.
ModelA29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2023, 04:57 PM   #38
jetrod
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Central NC
Posts: 64
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

one more bit of info about the #1 phaeton. When I was a youth, in the 50"s, the #1 engine sat is the Henry Ford Museum, on an engine stand, along with the picture of Henry stamping the engine. The phaeton body was displayed elsewhere in the museum. Later,about 1982, as a then member of the Motor Cities Chapter, I with 4 or 5 other members, volunteered to replace the #1 engine into the #1 phaeton, as requested by the museum. This was done on a Sat AM. I do not remember the motor # of the engine that was in the #1 phaeton when we made the swap. The Motor Cities Chapter was at the time meeting in the museum property and the club and the museum had a relationship, thus the request. Jerry
jetrod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 09:32 PM   #39
ModelA29
Senior Member
 
ModelA29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: SoCal
Posts: 222
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

An oddity - The pictures of 189 show the early type serial number pad (said to have been used on first 600 or so blocks).
I blew the photo up of Henry stamping 1 on a block in Oct 1927 and it's the later style pad that was up by the head. There are also photos of Henry, and others standing behind a model A engine - I suspect it it the 1st engine but the pictures only note taken in 1927 - the engine in those photos has the later pad. If you compare where Henry is stamping the 1 and where it is on the A1 engine in an earlier post I think you'll agree there are 2 engines with a 1 stamped on them.

I'm certain that there would have been multiple molds in use at the same time with changes ongoing. The Edison A has the later pad and the museum records reflect it was gifted to the Ford Museum by Edison's widow and the engine number was A1.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1928_Ford_Model_A_Roadster_27_ozu1ud.jpg (50.4 KB, 39 views)
File Type: jpg 1928_Ford_Model_A_Roadster_28_k5ar4t.jpg (60.3 KB, 35 views)
File Type: jpg 1.jpg (30.3 KB, 41 views)

Last edited by ModelA29; 04-02-2023 at 09:38 PM.
ModelA29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2023, 10:52 AM   #40
frank55a
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 911
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

The first picture is the Edison phaeton and #1 engine that I took in 1978 while at the MARC Meet. The later pictures of the phaeton were taken a few years ago at the Gilmore.

The picture of Tudor with the phaeton in the back is a 1927 it is black and Gunmetal Blue. It was owned by Archie Jackson and I may be wrong but I think it was one of MARC's first Henry winners.

While the colors may look different, it's all about the lighting. The first picture is all-natural lighting. The Tudor and Phaeton are the same body color.

The picture of the engine clearly shows the boss for the engine # which is the later boss. Also it looks like the water pump nut is the 30/31 Zinc nut and the steering column is later. Keep in mind the Phaeton was a diver not a show car. The value in this "A" is in its history not in how correct it is. Being a driver like most of our "As" when it needed servicing I am sure parts were changed when it was taken into the dealer which may also include the engine. Which may explain the different engine boss. If the engine needed repair/rebuild I am sure it would be cheaper and faster then to swap the engine and restamp it.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Cube 02 016.jpg (68.7 KB, 26 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_9098.jpg (61.1 KB, 21 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_9099.jpg (74.8 KB, 22 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_9100.jpg (29.6 KB, 21 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_9101.jpg (51.3 KB, 21 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_9102.jpg (56.9 KB, 21 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_9103.jpg (63.5 KB, 21 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_9335.jpg (64.1 KB, 23 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_9345.jpg (53.6 KB, 21 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_9346.jpg (56.5 KB, 17 views)

Last edited by frank55a; 04-05-2023 at 11:25 AM.
frank55a is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2023, 07:10 PM   #41
ModelA29
Senior Member
 
ModelA29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: SoCal
Posts: 222
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Did you take a closeup of the engine on the stand? I suspect it just has the digit 1 on it not A1. The Henry Ford repainted the Edison car at some point.
I haven't found online where/if they have Model A engine 1. They do have some T engines and the first V8 flathead.
ModelA29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2023, 07:34 PM   #42
al's28/33
Senior Member
 
al's28/33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 1,551
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Those skinny tires don't look right. I know they are the correct 21" but just don't look right, too skinny.
__________________
1928 "A" Phaeton (mid year with many early features)
1933 "V8" Closed-Cab Pickup Truck
(originally a Model B, 4 Cylinder dating to May, 1933)
al's28/33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 04-06-2023, 10:15 AM   #43
David in San Antonio
Member
 
David in San Antonio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: San Antonio Texas
Posts: 61
Default Re: Edison's Model A picture from Gilmore Museum

Quote attributed to Will Rogers (I have no documentation):
“If the opposite of PRO is CON,
then the opposite of PROgress is… CONgress.”
__________________
David in San Antonio
1930 Deluxe Roadster restored 1957
Alamo As Club
David in San Antonio is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:45 PM.