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Old 07-21-2021, 05:24 PM   #1
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Question Is this a standard 21" Model A wheel?

Can you tell from this photo if this is a standard wheel and not an AR?
This is my spare wheel I am working on.....very badly rusted rim, but I'm
smoothing it out with a airtool scaler and an angle grinder. I have a rubber
protector that fits down in the rim, but I am smoothing everything out so the tire will slide on better than the struggle it took to get it off!
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Old 07-21-2021, 05:40 PM   #2
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They are so very cheap and plentiful why not just buy a used one?
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Old 07-21-2021, 05:48 PM   #3
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I am sure that I could find a really nice used one, but out here conveniently situated in the middle of nowhere, I don't mind trying to make do.
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Old 07-21-2021, 08:37 PM   #4
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Default Re: Is this a standard 21" Model A wheel?

I have seen far worse ones! At least yours has some paint left on it. All wheels require a lot of body work to look fantastic. I would say they are easily one of, if not, the most time consuming thing to restore on a standard model a.
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Old 07-21-2021, 08:39 PM   #5
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Default Re: Is this a standard 21" Model A wheel?

Does the pictured wheel match all the rest of the wheels?
That would give you a quick indication
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Old 07-21-2021, 09:02 PM   #7
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It looks like it was contacting the drum it was last on properly ---though it looks like a spot about 1 oclock that could be a crack
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Definetely looks like a crack - good catch Kurt. That is an easy fix, just weld it up and grind it. Be sure to make sure that the drums you use will fit inside it (that's a test for the roundness of the wheel because of that crack).
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Old 07-21-2021, 09:17 PM   #9
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Early '28 wheels (for the left hand parking brake cars) have a hub flange of 1 3/16 inches.
For the later '28 and '29 wheels, the hub flange measures 1 3/8 inches.

A picture of the wheel hub from the front side would help. The short spokes are much closer to the edge of the hub flange on the early wheels. Once you see the difference, you will be able to spot which type of wheel you have.

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Can you tell from this photo if this is a standard wheel and not an AR?
This is my spare wheel I am working on.....very badly rusted rim, but I'm
smoothing it out with a airtool scaler and an angle grinder. I have a rubber
protector that fits down in the rim, but I am smoothing everything out so the tire will slide on better than the struggle it took to get it off!
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Old 07-22-2021, 05:27 PM   #11
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It could just be the photo but those lug nut holes sure look oversize. If they are it would be easier to start with a better wheel. I sure miss the Reno Swap Meet that Bill Harrah used to host.

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Old 07-22-2021, 08:54 PM   #12
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They are so very cheap and plentiful why not just buy a used one?
Good 21" wheels are not cheap or plentiful. They rust in the tube around the rim edge and won't balance when full of rust. BTDT and have 5 or so bad ones and four OK ones on the car.
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Old 07-23-2021, 06:19 PM   #13
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So far so good. This wheel matches the ones on the car. I forgot I had another one that is in better condition....but I am going to use this one and use the other one when I can afford a new tire. I got most of the rough rust off and have sprayed them with gloss black Rustoleum (like the rest of my car). I am not worried about more rust out here in the high desert, but "Bessie" took a real beating after decades in rainy southeast Alaska.
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Good 21" wheels are not cheap or plentiful. They rust in the tube around the rim edge and won't balance when full of rust. BTDT and have 5 or so bad ones and four OK ones on the car.
Then you’ve never been to Hershey or Carlisle. I bought a spare set because they were so cheap. You have to look the right places. So we both are entitled to our opinions.
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Wheels that aren't too rusted and actually run true when spun on a lathe are getting hard to find!
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Then you’ve never been to Hershey or Carlisle. I bought a spare set because they were so cheap. You have to look the right places. So we both are entitled to our opinions.
Bought one decent set up at Carlisle out of 9 wheels the guy had for $400 last year and one was bent when I got it on the car. Couple other bunches of rusty junk for $80+. Hershey '19 I didn't see any and made it 3/4 of the way through the show. I did end up with a nice radiator and shroud and a restorable early column. Maybe I just got unlucky?
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Old 07-24-2021, 12:43 AM   #17
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Bought one decent set up at Carlisle out of 9 wheels the guy had for $400 last year and one was bent when I got it on the car. Couple other bunches of rusty junk for $80+. Hershey '19 I didn't see any and made it 3/4 of the way through the show. I did end up with a nice radiator and shroud and a restorable early column. Maybe I just got unlucky?
Remember also that you come from an area that uses salt on the road in winter months. That is not the case in many southern states.
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Old 07-24-2021, 04:39 PM   #18
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Another thought. The wheel rim is 90 yrs old and if it was pitted and thin from rust i t can easily crack and blow out.

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Old 07-26-2021, 08:37 AM   #19
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I agree with Mc on the wheels. have bought many sets of 4-5 for a flat 100. bill.

hot rodders never want them...........
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Old 07-26-2021, 12:26 PM   #20
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I agree with Mc on the wheels. have bought many sets of 4-5 for a flat 100. bill.

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That is exactly what I paid for the spare set. A hundred dollars.
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