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Old 03-12-2021, 08:04 PM   #1
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1933 skirtless fenders. Does anyone know any production figures for 1933 Fords built with skitless fenders? What else is different with these cars? Tom
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:14 PM   #2
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A whole bunch of stuff. Inner fender panels, front x member, saddle front u bolts go over, running boards, spare tire mount and gas tank cover are all things I noticed when I helped a friend dismantle a 33 skirtless tudor.
I am sure DavidG has more items to list then this.
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:22 PM   #3
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Depending on how early the '33s are, they would have a completely different rear spare tire/wheel mounting setup, a different apron over the gas tank, a unique two-piece rear transmission mount with a separate rubber insulator and clamp over the insulator, twelve inch spacing of the front motor mount insulators like a '32 with a front cross member and engine splash pans to match, a V8 cylinder block without cavities on the sides of where the timing gear cover attaches, provision for both straight down and angled cylinder block drain cocks, aluminum V8 cylinder heads with 7/8" spark plug threads, and possibly a carryover '32 V8 aluminum oil pan and distributor housing.
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Old 03-12-2021, 09:01 PM   #4
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Great info DavidG,

I didn't realize the block without cavities ran into early '33.

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Unusual Spare Wheel Mount on Shirtless Fendered 1933 Ford Victoria.
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Old 03-12-2021, 11:52 PM   #6
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Early 1933 Ford Victoria with Skirtless Fenders seen at the 2013 Early Ford V8 Grand Nationals held at Lake Tahoe.
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:14 AM   #7
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I'll take one on the chin for the team of the ignorant. I don't know the difference between a skirtless fender and a skirted one. Can someone explain or post a pic?

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On the rear fenders , the rear of the skirtless fender does not roll down the side behind the rear wheel. They are similar to the 32 rear fenders .
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Compare the photos to see the difference. The early ‘33 fenders have the appearance of the Model A or ‘32 fenders, they have a more open look.
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Compare the picture of this car that was added by Fordors, with the photos that I added in the previous Post, showing an early production 1933 Ford Victoria.
This 1933 Ford Victoria has those added Skirts on the Fenders, as do most of 1933 Fords and all of 1934 Fords.
The Skirtless Fenders were only on the very early production 1933 Fords.
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Old 03-13-2021, 01:26 AM   #11
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I'll take one on the chin for the team of the ignorant. I don't know the difference between a skirtless fender and a skirted one. Can someone explain or post a pic?

This black sedan below shows the normal, skirted '33 fenders. Note the FRONT fender....as the bottom bead of the fender goes downward and then transitions to a more horizontal line running to meet the BOTTOM of the running board. This BOTTOM line doesn't even come close to following the TOP surface of the fender. In other words, that NORMAL front skirt is rather pronounced where it sticks downward at about the 9 o'clock area on the tire.

REAR fender BEHIND the tire....similar situation BEHIND the tire. The bottom bead line dips way down to the 9 o'clock point on the tire. Dips way down in comparison with following the TOP surface of fender. Most skirtless-fendered '33s are reported to have been assembled in the Northwest.






Two different cars with the skirtless fenders. The early "skirtless" fenders had virtually no hint of this 'hanging-down' skirt behind the tire/wheels, very much like the swoop of '32 fenders. Skirtless fenders WERE NOT limited to Victorias only! DD





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Two 1933 Fords compared - early Skirtless Victoria and later model Cabriolet with Skirts.
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Close-up Photos showing Front Fenders of an early Skirtless model with the later model that has Skirts on the Fenders.
I hope that these pictures help.
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You guys are the greatest! Now I see it. Thanks for the education. Comparing to my Avatar '32 it's easy to see the difference.
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Lots of good information. I found a 1933 Victoria skirtless fender car that may be for sale. I am considering it. The vin or body number is 1532. Any way to know how early a car it would be?
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From the photos above to my eye the running boards also seem different at the front where it meets the fender. The early one has the lower edge swept up, the later stays more horizontal to line up with the lowered edge of the fender.
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From the photos above to my eye the running boards also seem different at the front where it meets the fender. The early one has the lower edge swept up, the later stays more horizontal to line up with the lowered edge of the fender.
Cool.

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Mart, yes, as mentioned by Deuce Roadster above. Maybe that's why DavidG did not mention it!


And I thought only the '32 was so unlike any other!
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Old 03-13-2021, 07:01 PM   #19
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Alan,

Yes, Deuce Roadster had covered that highly visible difference.


Hotrodder1932,

Given that only 4,879 were produced in total in the U.S., body number 1532 would likely be an especially early version.


But that is only a general indication of when the body met its chassis and how that chassis was configured. With multiple assembly plants involved there's no evidence that chassis components, engine/transmission assemblies, and bodies were sequentially coordinated one with another and lots of examples of exceptions.

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