BAT-crazy prices and a 29 phaeton

[ronn]

time to start selling on BAT

29 phaeton with tons wrong just went for 29k. ouch!

[alexiskai]

Oh come on, I mean other than the paint job and the chrome and the bumper brackets and the fender brackets and the wiper and the chrome and the wind wings and the top and the door handles and the chrome and the upholstery and the fuel gauge and the tailpipe and the chrome, it's not that bad.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by ronn

time to start selling on BAT

29 phaeton with tons wrong just went for 29k. ouch!

I do NOT understand this mindset. Many here continually complain about how Model-As not worth restoring, and many think the Model-A hobby is dying ...yet there was over 9,000 people who viewed this sale, ...and 752 people watched it to see what the final bid was ...and there were 39 bids to take it to $29k.

Yeah, the paint color combination may make some purist cringe however this car looks like a lot of fun for two couples to go to dinner in, -or this car has enough room for Grandpa to take all the grandkids to go get ice cream. From that vantage point, twenty nine thousand dollars is not that much money when fun is involved.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...d-model-a-117/

[fried okra]

Thanks, Brent for posting the link.....the car has more appeal than I was expecting to see.

[Gary WA]

With a Tool Kit!! Fun Car!! Enjoy your ride!!!

[stickshift]

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Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

I do NOT understand this mindset. Many here continually complain about how Model-As not worth restoring, and many think the Model-A hobby is dying ...yet there was over 9,000 people who viewed this sale, ...and 752 people watched it to see what the final bid was ...and there were 39 bids to take it to $29k.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...d-model-a-117/

I'm hoping that the interest in model "A"s will continue to grow strong. The numbers Brent stated shows that there is still an interest. I personally would not spend that kind of cash, plus fees for a car sight unseen. It looks good in pictures, but I would want to put my hands on it and drive it, and not be disappointed when I get it. Although there are some people out there with money to burn...I'm not one of them.

[Oldgearz]

I celebrate (a little) when I see something like this. Maybe my son can get back some of his inheritance which I spent on my Coupe, when he sells the car.

[nkaminar]

Updated

Recent prices for Model A's on Bring A Trailer:

May 6, 1929 mail truck, $22,000

May 5, 1929 phaeton, $29,000
April 16, 1930 coupe, $25,250
April 11, 1931 Fordor, $23,500
April 9, 1930 coupe, $13,367
February 23, 1931 phaeton, $40,500

I could afford to burn a dollar bill, but that is it.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by stickshift

I'm hoping that the interest in model "A"s will continue to grow strong. The numbers Brent stated shows that there is still an interest. I personally would not spend that kind of cash, plus fees for a car sight unseen. It looks good in pictures, but I would want to put my hands on it and drive it, and not be disappointed when I get it. Although there are some people out there with money to burn...I'm not one of them.

Two things;
Contrary to what some would have us to think, it has been my experience (-and I have been around the Model-A hobby since before I was born!!) that there has ALWAYS been a Seller's market for restored Model-As. Those naysayers in the middle-1960s found that in the middle-1970s, Model-As were bringing more money as a whole than they did some 10 years before and there was always a Buyer. Then those 1970s naysayers found the same happened by the 1980s. It has been that way repeating itself decade after decade. The biggest difference today vs. a decade or two ago is there are fewer & fewer newly restored Model-As to meet the demand of Buyers. Buyers today realize what a 'tired' older restoration on a Model-A looks like, and therefore those cars do not fetch the price that a fresher restoration does because they realize what is involved financially to return them to a good, serviceable condition.

As for buying sight unseen, if the car is misrepresented in any way, most Buyers will walk away from a sale. If I recall, the odometer on this Phaeton represents it as a restoration that is under 200 miles. In other words, everything should pretty much be functional. I think most people that are Buyers would admit they realize they will likely find things that will need to be repaired and most likely budget another $10k to have those things done.

Originally Posted by Oldgearz

I celebrate (a little) when I see something like this. Maybe my son can get back some of his inheritance which I spent on my Coupe, when he sells the car.

Your son can look at this two ways. If he is only interested in the money, then maybe he should receive a lesser amount of money because he places a lower value on what your dreams were about. Alternately, if your son chooses to embrace the very thing that made you happy and he chooses to drive the car and respect the car as a remembrance of you, and maintain it as a cherished keepsake, then he would likely agree that any amount of money will never be enough to pay for the joy the car brings to him.

[GPierce]

Brent, I always appreciate your insight into this topic and others you respond to.
I have 3 sons in their 50’s who have each approached their mother indicating they each want to inherit my Model A. This was a surprise to me as they had no history with Model A’s growing up. I am happy they want it and I am sure they will workout some kind of joint ownership.
Locally I see younger people interested in Model A’s.
Gilbert Pierce.

[ronn]

Alex, you hit the nail on the head! My only point was how much was wrong with it, regarding the price.

Brent I always admire your opinion, but to call that car "restored" are you kidding me?
My point wasnt the price, it was what you are buying for that price. For 30k I would expect a much "nicer" car as in original......

yes I am laughing like crazy. How do you like that front seat back? A real deusey!

[rackops]

I can't begrudge the buyer on the car, to be honest. When I bought my first Model A back in 2008 (yes, I am young) I bought the prettiest one I could find. I had no clue about things like "judging standards" or any of that stuff. The car looked good and had won first place and people's choice in a few local car shows, so as far as I was concerned, it was exactly what I was looking for (and I paid nearly the same price as what this one sold for!)

Even though the car wasn't going to win any fine point awards, my family had a great time with it. When I was looking at getting another old car again, it was those positive feelings that attracted me back to the Model A family. I now have the privilege of owning a VE28 Australian-made car, so my priorities are a bit different. My family still enjoys it, but I'm going through the effort of finding the correct parts to prepare for restoration with the goal of making a fine-point car.

I'm sure the buyer of this particular car is far more attracted to the "look" of the car rather than nitpicking that the engine is painted...black...

(Photo of my first Model A below...whoever restored it had obviously never heard of the "judging standards" before...)

[Chris in WNC]

Looks like good quality workmanship, but totally unencumbered by the judging standards.

For $29K, I would prefer one done at least mostly "by the book", including black wheels & tires.

J.M.H.O.

[ronn]

rackops, you have a nice looking car. You should be proud of it.

[oldspert]

Instead of cutting the car all to pieces, why not look at it for what it is. It appeared to be a great looking car and possibly a very nice driver. It always wrinkles my skin when people try to show off their "smarts" about things that are wrong with a car rather than just enjoy the car for what it is. After these 1929's are almost 100 years old. My 1929 coupe has so many aftermarket things that it would never show as an original in a Model A meet, but it is mine and I love to drive it whenever I want to.

[Keith True]

Some people love bling and it sells.I have a mid 28 phaeton that is done much,much more to original standards.I just told a looker 25K,or 30K if he wants to dicker.I like my cars plain,I took the cowl lights off,and the etched wind wings.The previous owner removed the WW tires for the same reason.If it wasn't so much work I'd remove the RH tail light on the car too.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by ronn

Alex, you hit the nail on the head! My only point was how much was wrong with it, regarding the price.

Brent I always admire your opinion, but to call that car "restored" are you kidding me? My point wasnt the price, it was what you are buying for that price. For 30k I would expect a much "nicer" car as in original......

yes I am laughing like crazy. How do you like that front seat back? A real deusey!

Ron, IMHO you are behind the times on what collector cars and their services are costing these days.

As far as calling it "restored", ...it was the Model-A Club members themselves that have run the train off the rails on non-authentic restorations that they call 'Restored'. That Phaeton at least had a generator instead of an alternator like many club members have. I'd venture a guess that better than 50% of all MAFCA or MARC member's car has an unauthentic paint colors, and a bunch of those member's cars have incorrect upholstery fabric or stitching. Plenty club members have whitewalls & Float-a-Motor mounts, and those cars seemingly sell just as strongly, ...so I don't see what your point is.

Originally Posted by oldspert

Instead of cutting the car all to pieces, why not look at it for what it is. It appeared to be a great looking car and possibly a very nice driver. It always wrinkles my skin when people try to show off their "smarts" about things that are wrong with a car rather than just enjoy the car for what it is. After these 1929's are almost 100 years old. My 1929 coupe has so many aftermarket things that it would never show as an original in a Model A meet, but it is mine and I love to drive it whenever I want to.

Exactly!!

[ronn]

differing opinions Brent and oldspert.......

we'll have to agree to disagree. Im with Keith on how I like my model As. to each his own. Brent I understand you have to walk a fine line on all of this- it is your lively hood and I respect that.
An A400 or other rarer model can be looked at for what this phaeton went for. Read the seller on the ad- he sounded like PT Barnum himself. I guess thats why some of you like buying at auctions and folks like myself, never will.
anyway, I know my opinion doesnt have to correlate with anyone elses. Just giving my opinion, which is worth about 2 cents.......

[WHN]

There are a few issues. But, looks like a very good driver.

$29,000.00 is not what it was 20 years ago.

I think someone got a nice car.

Enjoy.

[Model A Ron]

I can appreciate a fine point car but I also think some need to take a step back and stop being so high and mighty when they find something that is not correct to the year and model.

As for the car it looks good and I am sure the new owner will enjoy it. A Phaeton is not so common and you do not see them like a coupe two door four door etc.

I am sure it would have went for less than 25k if it did not have the whitewalls but that's a new trend lol

[ronn]

$29,000.00 is not what it was 20 years ago.

you are correct. and neither is a million dollars, but most Americans I know, dont have a million bucks.

To me the car is a hot rod and better suited on the HAMB
Ive watched ebay sales for over 25 yrs now and far better cars can be bought for the money. When a fella decides he'll use some old black paint thats laying around to paint the motor or better yet, do a swirly design on the gas tank, or thorw the wrong seat spring in the car and upholster "around it" I have to wonder how well the car was "refurbished".
you read that right. refurbished, not restored.
if you want to buy a nice car, look no further then the MAFCA site and there are beautiful cars on there daily.
If you want to deal with PT Barnum, then yes, BAT is for you. BTW, dont forget to factor in BATs fees, and shipping. So maybe 35k for the car. Doesnt faze you?
Why not spend 75k then. Money obviously has no meaning for many of you.
BTW, living in NJ, I am well aware of costs and rates. Philly and NY are at my back step...... LOL

[jack backer]

Don’t know how you can tell condition from picture.. is it authentic? No, but not many cars are. Is it clean and fresh? It looks that way. Is it my cup of tea? No.. it’s a sporty ice cream runner, and like mentioned already, dollar value is fluid right now, to say the least.

[rotorwrench]

I wouldn't pay that much for any model A but that's just me. I certainly think it's fine if someone else is willing to pay that. Not all auto interested people have the want or the capability to do a restoration on their own. There are also so many other cars out there that are likely a better buy for the same amount of money so that affects what I think about that amount. What the car is worth is based on the perspective of the potential buyer. Younger folks that don't know what happened to their family during the depression and WWII definitely have a different take on life than I do. Money means something different to each individual. It would be nice to afford a "money is no object" way of thinking but I can't. I purchase old cars with the express intent of doing the work on them myself so that makes me different and think differently than a lot of folks out there.

From a seller's point of view, more is better. No telling how much money has already been spent on that car over the years to keep it in the drivability range. It is likely a lot more than the selling price. The previous owner likely spent more than that but it depends on whether they restored it or not.

[Model A Ron]

I do not think this car is close to being a hot rod as it has the original 4 cylinder and for that fact it does not even have a Mitchel Overdrive....

As for the money lets look at it like this. Starting in January of 2021 this country went off the rails and inflation has gone BAT Crazy......regardless what they tell us inflation is at a minimum 40 to 45% so now back to the Phaeton

$20,000 in 2020 is now $29,000 in 2023 thanks to 45% inflation

If you think 45% inflation is Bat Crazy I agree with you but since some of you are living in the past does $20,000 sound like it's to much for the car?

[stickshift]

Originally Posted by ronn

$29,000.00 is not what it was 20 years ago.

If you want to deal with PT Barnum, then yes, BAT is for you. LOL

Speaking of PT Barnum...If the description reminded you of PT Barnum, read the comments. This guy was really slick. He does have the gift of gab. I'm sure this did help to achieve a good price (one born every minute). Seriously, I'm sure the buyer is happy and will enjoy the car for years to come. Probably even turn a profit when he decides to sell.

[nkaminar]

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I am very glad that there are people out there who restore Model A's to the as-built condition. This is part of the historical record. How else are future generations going to know what a Model A truly looked like, sounded like, and how it ran.

But it is not something that I am interested in at this point in my life. As long as it resembles the original car I don't care if the paint color is not quite right or that white wall tires are on the car or that there is an overdrive or down draft carburetor. I love my car as it is and love driving it. I do restrict my driving a little for fear of ware and damage but if I had a 100 point car it would be in the garage under a cover and never driven.

[rotorwrench]

I've seen major inflation of the currency at least four times in my life. The two things that make it happen the worst is cheap money (low loan interest rates) and a major increase in the price of energy, ie the price of oil, which has happened before for different reasons. This current cause was something I've never seen before. It was entirely a man made situation that did not have to happen. I wish crazy would go away with a major return to sanity.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by stickshift

Speaking of PT Barnum...If the description reminded you of PT Barnum, read the comments. This guy was really slick. He does have the gift of gab. I'm sure this did help to achieve a good price (one born every minute). Seriously, I'm sure the buyer is happy and will enjoy the car for years to come. Probably even turn a profit when he decides to sell.

So we are clear on this, when you go with one of the premium service with BaT then BaT actually sends you an online questionnaire to fill out about the vehicle being sold, and then professional photographer is sent to your place to get the best quality pictures. After that, a BaT Writer studies the pix and writes a description for the website. For most Sellers, that is the best $400 spent as it gets positive results ($$-wise).

[Model A Ron]

You could also benchmark an add for a car like yours that got top dollar......seems simple to do.

[Lanny]

This is NOT directed toward anyone. We are all members here and need to
get along together.
It is very interesting to read the various opinions though, but you know what
the old saying is about opinions.
There are TONs of things going on this this world, and there are TONs of
different opinions about every single one of them.
Some of these things going on are Super Important, and yet we still have
TONs of very different opinions on how to all live by them.
How this one very UN important '29 phaeton deserved so much attention
is a waste of time. Let's all care about the more important things in life.

Lets all enjoy it as much as we can, together. Happy Motoring to all.



.

[trulyvintage]

The Market Is Determined By What
A Buyer Is Willing To Pay …

That applies equally to goods and services.

Opinions on an internet forum
won’t affect that in the least …


Jim

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by rackops

I can't begrudge the buyer on the car, to be honest. When I bought my first Model A back in 2008 (yes, I am young) I bought the prettiest one I could find. I had no clue about things like "judging standards" or any of that stuff. The car looked good and had won first place and people's choice in a few local car shows, so as far as I was concerned, it was exactly what I was looking for (and I paid nearly the same price as what this one sold for!)

Even though the car wasn't going to win any fine point awards, my family had a great time with it. When I was looking at getting another old car again, it was those positive feelings that attracted me back to the Model A family. I now have the privilege of owning a VE28 Australian-made car, so my priorities are a bit different. My family still enjoys it, but I'm going through the effort of finding the correct parts to prepare for restoration with the goal of making a fine-point car.

I'm sure the buyer of this particular car is far more attracted to the "look" of the car rather than nitpicking that the engine is painted...black...

(Photo of my first Model A below...whoever restored it had obviously never heard of the "judging standards" before...)

I agree 100% with Lanny, Trulyvintage, and Racktops. All this armchair QBing is a bit odd. If it wasn't your money spent, who cares? Someone wanted it, so they bought it. I wish more people would be buying and enjoying old cars. Good for the buyers and sellers out there.

Getting hung up on judging standards and such can sometimes prevent folks from finishing a car because it's not 100% correct and then enjoying a car because they don't want to ruin it for judging. Can be a vicious cycle that causes a car to sit in a garage not being enjoyed for what it is.

[WHN]

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

I agree 100% with Lanny, Trulyvintage, and Racktops. All this armchair QBing is a bit odd. If it wasn't your money spent, who cares? Someone wanted it, so they bought it. I wish more people would be buying and enjoying old cars. Good for the buyers and sellers out there.

Getting hung up on judging standards and such can sometimes prevent folks from finishing a car because it's not 100% correct and then enjoying a car because they don't want to ruin it for judging. Can be a vicious cycle that causes a car to sit in a garage not being enjoyed for what it is.

Well said!

Our Model A’s are like our children. No matter their short comings, we are very proud of them, and rightfully so.

Haze Gray and Underway.

[trulyvintage]

There are a couple car forums that
will soon be in my rear view mirror
because of the a few folks who do
not have a Life outside of the Interweb.

I am just going to stop posting.
Those folks do not deserve to share
what I see in my travels ….


Jim

[Raaf]

Originally Posted by stickshift

Speaking of PT Barnum...If the description reminded you of PT Barnum, read the comments. This guy was really slick. He does have the gift of gab. I'm sure this did help to achieve a good price (one born every minute).

Stickshift is probably right on this one. If you read the comments on that particular sale, you will see an unusual amount of supportive and often comical engagement from the seller. Much more than your typical BAT sale, which is usually more like two opposing camps of arrogance. THE WINDOW REGULATOR IS A REPOP! I SAW THIS CAR IN PERSON IN 2017 AND THE PHOTOS DON'T DO IT JUSTICE...etc...

The seller was standing by the car confidently and that goes further than common sense for some buyers.

If you go back through Model A sales on the site, in most cases prospective buyers and commenters aren't that educated about old Fords. I think this one was an outlier for the reason mentioned above. Well presented and well-supported sale - and you know what? That will always sell a car.

This is in contrast to the presentation of cars I sometimes see for sale at shows. You know the ones...they have been for sale at numerous shows for a year or so. Same guy shows up, inflated price, power parks it up front...and posts up with the I KNOW WHAT I HAVE PROVE ME WRONG attitude. They want to haggle and think about where their car or transaction sits in the GREATER SPHERE of the hobby.

Every now and then, the right buyer meets the right seller and two happy folks go their separate ways with what they wanted in first place.

[Model A Ron]

I bet the guy who bought the Phaeton has no idea how much attention his car is getting hear......If he ever reads this I hope your enjoying that wonderful car

[ModelA29]

1931 Ford Model A Deluxe Phaeton

Sold for $40,500 on 2/23/23


Phaeton - seems to be the auction hook for BAT. I wonder if the 29 grand price was driven by the guy seeing what this one sold for.


A mail truck a couple days ago only brought $22,000 - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...d-model-a-115/

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by ModelA29

1931 Ford Model A Deluxe Phaeton

Sold for $40,500 on 2/23/23


Phaeton - seems to be the auction hook for BAT. I wonder if the 29 grand price was driven by the guy seeing what this one sold for.


A mail truck a couple days ago only brought $22,000 - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...d-model-a-115/

One thing about a Postal truck is ...what do you do with it? To me it is a display piece that can be driven, but even that is basically a limited event. The Phaeton that just sold has a real appeal because two couples can have fun going to dinner together, -or Grandpa & Grandma and two or three grandkids can share getting their hair blown on the way to get ice cream.

There were basically 4 different bidders that bid over $25k on this car. I doubt all of them were shill bidders, and because the 180A bodystyle is so different, I am going to guess the reason this car was bid to $29k is because each of those bidders liked the look and the color enough to want to be seen in it.

[alexiskai]

Not to prolong this discussion, but I think Brent makes a great point. The 35A/B body is the quintessential see-and-be-seen model (except for the 180A which costs substantially more). As such, the market for those is going to include a lot of folks who just want an antique car that turns heads, regardless of authenticity, for parades and puttering about town. I think that explains why so many phaetons I've seen are decked out with extra chrome, dual side wheels, whitewalls, the whole nine yards. I remember seeing one that had the horn chromed and then added a second chrome horn on the other side.

I can understand why there would be a premium market for a show-off phaeton, particularly on BaT, with its marketing pitch of assured quality.

[Seth Swoboda]

Just remember this. If you want to sell your car, BAT usually will not dissapoint. Great place to sell.

[ModelA29]

Originally Posted by Seth Swoboda

Just remember this. If you want to sell your car, BAT usually will not dissapoint. Great place to sell.

If they deem your car worthy of being sold on their site.

[petew]

I've sold 4 cars on BAT , great venue. For $99.00 you get yourself world wide exposure .
Take about 100 pictures do a cold start video , a driving video and you are good to go .
The hardest part of the process is getting them to agree to a reserve that you are happy with. I also had good luck with a no reserve auction but it was a popular model car with a strong following so the risk was low.
Yes you can spend the $400 and have them take the pictures but honestly it is not difficult to do yourself .
As for the 29 that is being discussed here I don't believe that you could duplicate that car for the selling price .
Go out and price a quality paint job , complete interior and a fresh engine the numbers are staggering and that doesn't even count what you would pay for a restorable car.
Yes you could do it on the cheap but it wouldn't look as nice as that car does.
Just my opinion , all of the folks that have posted have made some valid points.

Pete

[Jeff/Illinois]

I say if the seller is happy, and the buyer is happy, what's not to like? It's not my money, I didn''t have any dog in that fight, so what do I care?

I can't count the times I have walked away from a sale, thinking 'Well THAT went too high' and then at a later date, thinking back, I think 'I should have bought that!!'

You know the old saying about an auction. You didn't pay too much, you just bought it too early.

Very true. And as a non-Hodgkins Lymphoma cancer man-I- about- died survivor, if ya want it, BUY IT baby time and life are slipping by pretty fast Money isn't all that important. Except for those guys paying six figures for the first generation Ford Broncos. Now THAT is nuts!!!!

[old31]

Other than the color, I think that Phaeton is worth 29k. It is clean and well done inside and out. Not my cup of tea but that's ok.

[Shiloh]

It’s funny to read folks dicker over what someone else spends their money on. About like having neighbors that tell you what to do with the land you bought, and pay taxes on….

[Model A Ron]

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Originally Posted by ronn

time to start selling on BAT

29 phaeton with tons wrong just went for 29k. ouch!

Tell me about it....should have sold for $39,000.00

[Model A Ron]

With my 29 Phaeton being in better shape with a Mitchel over drive, F100 box, and new radials just to name a few I sure would not let her go for $29,000. It would take a lot more as I have my car well sorted. She is not for sale but if someone offered $39,000 I would not take it.

We just went through 40 to 45% inflation and Model A Prices have not caught up yet.....expect prices to go up sharply in the next few years.

In my opinion the buying power of 25k a few years back is now $36,250.....sad but true and its not over yet.

[ronn]

Model A Ron, your boy on BAT just listed a roadster.


you guys should be able to bid this one up over 50k



Step right up folks.............!

[Model A Ron]

Originally Posted by ronn

Model A Ron, your boy on BAT just listed a roadster.


you guys should be able to bid this one up over 50k



Step right up folks.............!

I hope it goes for over 60k......post the listing for us

[ronn]

1930 Ford Model A Roadster on BaT

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This 1930 Ford Model A Roadster is now live on BaT. Click the link below to check it out.

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[alexiskai]

Originally Posted by Model A Ron

regardless what they tell us inflation is at a minimum 40 to 45% so now back to the Phaeton

$20,000 in 2020 is now $29,000 in 2023 thanks to 45% inflation

Originally Posted by Model A Ron

We just went through 40 to 45% inflation and Model A Prices have not caught up yet.....expect prices to go up sharply in the next few years.

This isn't how inflation works and it's not how collectibles markets work either. If it were possible to bet against this claim I'd put up $1,000 (in 2020 dollars).

[ronn]

Im with you Alex


anyone want to buy a Hummel?


antiques as a whole is dying off. Young people arent interested in Sunday sterling ware or Lennox china.
foam plates and plastic cups are the norm today............

[31a]

I am very happy for the seller and if the buyer is satisfied, I am glad he got what he wanted. We can sit on the sideline and second gues s both sides, but in the end it appears both got what they wanted. Does anyone on this site aware of anyone personally who has used this site? I have a 29 station wagon I am considering listening on this site but am concerned. with the validity of the site. Thanks

[alexiskai]

Originally Posted by 31a

Does anyone on this site aware of anyone personally who has used this site? I have a 29 station wagon I am considering listening on this site but am concerned. with the validity of the site. Thanks

They are legit; I think several folks on here have sold there. I have a friend locally who sold his VW bug on BaT last month. But you have to apply to list there and they don't accept all applications.

[ronn]

31A if you go to the site, you will instantly see its no mom and pop. BAT came up with a venue
despite Hemmings and ebay and the like and they blow out a lot of cars.
Of course it has a ton of dealers on there and understand many cars dont sell through, as reserves are set.
It works out extremely well for sellers and buyers in general, pay full boat. Really no diff then going to Barret Jackson or Mecum, except you dont have to take your car and all of the expensives involved. Sellers pay a set fee and buyers get a pretty large fee in the end if they win.

[David in San Antonio]

My brother bought three cars in Bring A Trailer. It’s legit. The best part is any time a bid comes in during the final 2 minutes of the auction the deadline is extended by an additional 2 minutes. This prevents “snipers” using software to outbid you by a tiny amount in the last quarter-second before you get a chance to respond. This is good for both the seller, who gets a higher price, and the buyer if they really want that specific car. The auctions run a week or more which gives the buyer a chance to see the car in person or hire a local shop to inspect it in advance. And sometimes the commenters are true marque experts and ask the right questions and critique the car being offered. On the other hand there is often meaningless chatter and gross misinformation fro people who have read stuff in the internet but have no firsthand knowledge to back up their strong opinions. Imagine that!

[ronn]

Looks like the seller had trouble pushing up this roadster..........


21k final sale, which is about right.

[Dodge]

There's a Butt for every seat......

[jack backer]

Originally Posted by ronn

Im with you Alex


anyone want to buy a Hummel?


antiques as a whole is dying off. Young people arent interested in Sunday sterling ware or Lennox china.
foam plates and plastic cups are the norm today............

Mid Century Modern is hot right now.. Atomic stuff

[ronn]

Mid Century Modern is hot right now.. Atomic stuff





true dat. along with the same period cars.........


brass is diving, unless its a Mercer or a Stutz

[nkaminar]

If you buy a brass car then complain because it breaks down and gets flat tires, you do not have the right mind set.

[ronn]

whos complaining?


think the youngsters today want to cruise at 70mph and that aint happenin with the oldies...........

[nkaminar]

1928 coupe sold on June 3 for $33,500. Restored to original but nothing special.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1928-ford-model-a-58/

Regarding buying a car to cruise at 70 mph: The best way to see the country is at a slow pace on the back roads. With some exceptions, all the interstates look the same. Being in a hurry "to get there" is not where it is at. I did recent trip in my Model A to a club meet, 120 miles each way. I had to rush down to arrive in time and took the interstate but on the way home took the back roads at 35 to 50 mph. The trip home was much more enjoyable and relaxing.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by ronn

Mid Century Modern is hot right now.. Atomic stuff





true dat. along with the same period cars.........


brass is diving, unless its a Mercer or a Stutz

Originally Posted by ronn

think the youngsters today want to cruise at 70mph and that aint happenin with the oldies...........

You may be right but since Brass-era is a passion of mine (-I own 4 brass-era cars) I have tended to follow for the past 25-30 years, and based on what I have witnessed over those years including this year, it is my view that quality brass cars are still holding their own in value.

With regard to "youngsters", surely you would agree that stock (-or nearly stock) restored Model-As along with HCCA eligible cars have typically never been a young enthusiast's choice of collector car. Granted there are exceptions but as a whole, I have noticed that restored Model-As, Ts, & pre-16 cars have always attracted more mature car people.

[ronn]

You may be right but since Brass-era is a passion of mine



me too Brent- actually prefer them over A's......... oh no, am I allowed to say that here?
lol




07 Maxwell DR
12 Buick model 29
07 ford R


still looking to build a 40hp or larger brass speedster- 1910-1914.........
missed a 1912 EMF yesterday at the Greenwich auction- would have made a terrific speedster
but only 35hp