Bonnie and Clyde

[77Birdman]

Saw an interesting documentary about the duo last night. One of the things that caught my eye was an interesting trunk on one of their cars from a period picture. Then I saw the same trunk on a car in a post on this forum today- Post is "Cheap 33" post #4.
Another interesting note was that they would often travel 500 miles in a day, and were known to travel 1000 miles in a 24 hr period.

[37 Cab]

As most are aware, Clyde Barrow wrote a letter to Henry ford about what a great car he made.

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[FrankWest]

This dirty duo actually lived out of their car. Unlike the Dillinger Gang that stayed in apartments. Bonnie and Clyde would park their stolen car deep in the woods and live there. Some life. Crime really pays. HA

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by 77Birdman

One of the things that caught my eye was an interesting trunk on one of their cars from a period picture. Then I saw the same trunk on a car in a post on this forum today- Post is "Cheap 33" post #4.

Actually, the two trunks are quite different. Bonnie & Clyde's car had a "POTTER" Trunk on which the lid opened much differently. Also note the gasoline fill and tail lights on the B & C car are different. In fact the whole mounting scheme is weird on that European (blue) trunk. DD



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[koates]

Originally Posted by FrankWest

This dirty duo actually lived out of their car. Unlike the Dillinger Gang that stayed in apartments. Bonnie and Clyde would park their stolen car deep in the woods and live there. Some life. Crime really pays. HA

Frank, while it is true that they did live in their cars sometimes they also lived in various houses, apartments and motels and camp ground cabins etc. That's why they mostly chose 4 door sedans because there was more room to sleep and carry gear and guns than other body styles. Regards, Kevin.

[FrankWest]

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it is a known fact that they basically lived out of their car which was parked out of sight in the woods. The movies shows them living in motels, but that is only the movies and not reality.
They were actually vagabonds petty thieves and murderers. Holding up gas stations and grocery stores and rarely banks. In fact, the movie with Fay Dunaway shows her returning a bank customers money because they only want the banks money. No true. That was John Dillinger that returned a customers money during a bank robbery. John Dillinger returned the money to a frightened farmer who left his money on the bank counter.
The Dillinger gang on the other hand never lived out of their cars. But always had their girl friends lease apartments for them.

[cas3]

its fun stuff the history of these old gangsters. lots of stories around my part of the world that many of them liked to lay low in mpls & st.paul. also, some had cabins in the north woods of minnesota and wisconsin.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by cas3

its fun stuff the history of these old gangsters. lots of stories around my part of the world that many of them liked to lay low in mpls & st.paul. also, some had cabins in the north woods of minnesota and wisconsin.

See > https://www.twincities.com/2016/03/3...ment-building/

[tubman]

When I lived in the Twin Cities area in the 1980's and 1990's I had a neighbor 16 years older than me whose aunt (born in 1913) was a "hot young chick" that waitressed in some of the bawdier joints in St.Paul in the 1930's. She was still alive then, and would visit my neighbor from time to time. She claimed to have known Dillinger back in the day and really had a bunch of great stories. Whether they were true or not, I don't know. However, when she passed away in the late '90's, I helped him clean out her house. There were at least 100 cases of beer in the basement, all of it at least 20 years old and SKUNKY. It kind of fits her stories, though.

[VeryTangled]

Frank, tell us a Dillinger story and a B&C story please?

[FrankWest]

For the Dillinger gang the planning for the getaway was especially important.
They planned the routes out of town and drove them for several days, learning every quirk of the road, especially places where a pursuing vehicle could lose control which they tried to lure the cops into. They would always stash a second car several miles out of town, sometimes with extra gas cans. They practiced the getaway until they could drive it in their sleep.

[FrankWest]

john Dillinger

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by FrankWest

For the Dillinger gang the planning for the getaway was especially important.
They planned the routes out of town and drove them for several days.

Frank...How is it that you became such an expert on the lives and styles of these gangsters of 85 years ago? DD

[koates]

Reading books is the method of learning B&C history. There are 20 plus books out there on the subject. Some authors have spent their lives researching the subject. Regards, Kevin.

[FrankWest]

One of my many interests. I have an extensive collection of newspapers from the Dillinger era. I also did research for the Book, Chasing Dillinger by Ellen Poulsen.

[cas3]

good stories frank, keep em commin

[Vanspeed]

Bonnie was ruthless. She killed police officers point blank, sometimes injured and on the ground. Dillinger was way more the people’s criminal. He wanted to take from the rich. Bonnie and Clyde May have started out that way but they went a different path.

[38bill]

As one who lost a relative to B&C I can assure you that those two were in it for the thrill and killed indiscriminately. They were never playing Robin Hood.

[FrankWest]

During the great depression vast numbers of banks lost their money thru bad investments.
And many unscrupulous bank executives used this opportunity to abscond with the depositors money. There was no FDIC, so depositors money was just lost. Then many of these same banks foreclosed on the homes and farms of the people that already had lost their savings. It was all very corrupt.
Harry Pierpont Dillinger's associate and gang leader accused the bankers of being the real criminals during his trial.
During several Dillinger bank jobs, The Dillinger gang actually took mortgages and burned them. Many people looked as Dillinger as their instrument of revenge on these corrupt banks.

[RobR'35]

Yep, my grandfather said "you were LUCKY if u got 10¢ to your dollar back from the bank" in those years.
He kept very little in a bank the rest of his life because of it. Cookie tins and canning jars.
To be truthful, I I like his way of thinking.

[rotorwrench]

Banks don't pay enough interest now days to make it much worth having a bank account anymore.

I just wonder how many cars the B&C gang stole during their spree. I doubt that they bought many if any at all. They weren't much on paying for stuff. It was easier to take it and leave the broke down car for the unfortunate previous owner.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Vanspeed

Bonnie was ruthless. She killed police officers point blank, sometimes injured and on the ground. Dillinger was way more the people’s criminal. He wanted to take from the rich. Bonnie and Clyde May have started out that way but they went a different path.

I agree they were far from the peoples heroes they are betrayed as. I have however read conflicting accounts regards Bonnies involvement in the killing of the police officers, I have read that the witness that linked her to the shootings was less than reliable but am unsure as to how accurate this information is . I seem to remember some one who posts on here ( maybe you ?} is related to one of the officers killed -Karl

[FrankWest]

Originally Posted by rotorwrench

Banks don't pay enough interest now days to make it much worth having a bank account anymore.

I just wonder how many cars the B&C gang stole during their spree. I doubt that they bought many if any at all. They weren't much on paying for stuff. It was easier to take it and leave the broke down car for the unfortunate previous owner.

if you look around you can get 2.5 % FAR CRY FROM THE what you were once able to get. During the Jimmey Carter Presidency I was able to get 15%. THAT WAS WHEN INFLATION WAS THROUGH THE ROOF.

[FrankWest]

john Dillinger

[V8COOPMAN]

Man, forget that raggedy ol' Ford. Look at that antique "EL" train in the background. DD

[FrankWest]

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Humphrey Bogart

[FrankWest]

Many Dillinger lookalikes were being picked up

[FortyNiner]

Originally Posted by FrankWest

Really Dillinger was responsible for the formation of the FBI.

Really? The agency that was first established in 1908 and had Hoover as a leader since 1924 was the Bureau of Investigation. J. Edgar, ever the empire builder, certainly took advantage of the high profile bank robbers of the era to increase the scope and funding of the agency. He also did the same thing with the Red Scare, the Lindbergh kidnapping, Prohibition, WWII, McCarthism, Civil Rights, and 60s war protestors.

The name change to the FBI in 1932 was important - but the biggest factor in the creation of a federal police agency was J. Edgar Hoover.

[38bill]

Originally Posted by rotorwrench

Banks don't pay enough interest now days to make it much worth having a bank account anymore.

I just wonder how many cars the B&C gang stole during their spree. I doubt that they bought many if any at all. They weren't much on paying for stuff. It was easier to take it and leave the broke down car for the unfortunate previous owner.

Here's a interesting letter from Texas with stolen car information pertaining to Bonnie and Clyde. It includes the Motor number. I believe that this car was left in Joplin MO after the shootout that killed my great uncle. I have a CD that contains much of the information that the Joplin PD had on Bonnie and Clyde including info on several of the cars they stole.

[FrankWest]

Originally Posted by FortyNiner

Really? The agency that was first established in 1908 and had Hoover as a leader since 1924 was the Bureau of Investigation. J. Edgar, ever the empire builder, certainly took advantage of the high profile bank robbers of the era to increase the scope and funding of the agency. He also did the same thing with the Red Scare, the Lindbergh kidnapping, Prohibition, WWII, McCarthism, Civil Rights, and 60s war protestors.

The name change to the FBI in 1932 was important - but the biggest factor in the creation of a federal police agency was J. Edgar Hoover.

Before Dillinger the FBI was a bunch of paper pushers that Washington thought they could do without!

[old Tom]

was hoover involved with Al Capone?

[FortyNiner]

Originally Posted by old Tom

was hoover involved with Al Capone?

Sort of. The FBI wasn't charged with enforcement of the Volstead Act. Further, Hoover denied the existence of organized crime for most of his tenure. Any police official who gained any measure of recognition was seen by Edgar as a threat to his position as THE preeminent cop. That's in large measure why Melvin Purvis (who actually hunted and shot Dillinger) was forced out of the FBI.

Hoover was big on using statistics to trumpet bureau success. Mobster activities didn't lend themselves to good numbers. This was due in part to the lack of comprehensive federal criminal code.

[TonyM]

Details of the 1934 Ford De Luxe Fordor used by Clyde Barrow on May 23, 1934:

1934 Ford De Luxe Fordor # 18-649198 was manufactured at
River Rouge, Michigan in February 1934.

It was sold by Mosley-Mack Motor Company, Topeka, KS, in April 1934 to Miss Ruth Warren of 2107 Gabler Street, Topeka, KS.

The car, Cordoba Gray, was equipped with an Arvin Hot Water Heater, Metal Spare Tire Cover, Front and Rear Bumper Guards, Chrome Greyhound Radiator Cap, and the Potter Mfg Accessory Trunk.

The car was stolen from Miss Warren's driveway in Topeka on April 29, 1934. The Kansas license plate was 3-17832.

[FrankWest]

Originally Posted by old Tom

was hoover involved with Al Capone?

No..
Elliott Ness was a Treasury agent..Hoover had nothing to do with it.

[38bill]

Originally Posted by TonyM

Details of the 1934 Ford De Luxe Fordor used by Clyde Barrow on May 23, 1934:

1934 Ford De Luxe Fordor # 18-649198 was manufactured at
River Rouge, Michigan in February 1934.

It was sold by Mosley-Mack Motor Company, Topeka, KS, in April 1934 to Miss Ruth Warren of 2107 Gabler Street, Topeka, KS.

The car, Cordoba Gray, was equipped with an Arvin Hot Water Heater, Metal Spare Tire Cover, Front and Rear Bumper Guards, Chrome Greyhound Radiator Cap, and the Potter Mfg Accessory Trunk.

The car was stolen from Miss Warren's driveway in Topeka on April 29, 1934. The Kansas license plate was 3-17832.

Some additional info:

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by 38bill

Some additional info:

According to my reference sources, Miss Warren, the original owner, had to fight for months to get this car back. Not sure how accurate the news story is.

[tubman]

I think there are currently multiple versions of this car displayed around the country. I think I heard the original is in "Whiskey Pete's" in Nevada.

I saw what was supposed to be this car at the Minnesota State Fair in the early sixties.

[cas3]

i'll bet the greyhound on the hood didnt last 24 hours before it was gone!

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by tubman

I think there are currently multiple versions of this car displayed around the country. I think I heard the original is in "Whiskey Pete's" in Nevada.

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Yes, but there is only one original and it is very easy to tell the original from the replicas. Agreed, the last I heard was that the real B&C car was on display in Nevada.

[38bill]

Originally Posted by TonyM

According to my reference sources, Miss Warren, the original owner, had to fight for months to get this car back. Not sure how accurate the news story is.

Mr Jesse Warren and his wife Ruth were the original owners. This link has a photo of them with the car.

https://www.cjonline.com/news/201904...ars-ago-monday

[cas3]

well i'll be dog gone! the dog is still on it, in that photo anyway. i would have thought the sheriff or the tow truck driver would have needed a souvenir. in the case of james dean the whole car disappeared out of the impound lot and has never surfaced again

[FrankWest]

read the book

[FrankWest]

Read the book

[FrankWest]

Read the book

[RobR'35]

Sporting Winchester model 94's.
Hmmmmm.......was that the considered assault rifle of the those times. Lol

[trulyvintage]

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Cold Blooded Killers ?

That is how I would describe the assassination squad that killed Bonnie & Clyde.

Want to know the real story of their Life & Death ?

Visit The Bonnie & Clyde Ambush Museum in Gibsland, Louisiana a few miles from where they were killed - it was their last stop that morning for breakfast.

Spend a few hours - watch the movie and wander the exhibits.

When your done - talk to Perry the owner who probably is the leading living authority on the subject - he knew Bonnie Parker’s family and would visit them.

I was there last September right before a poetry journal authored by Bonnie Parker was set to be auctioned off - Perry was going to bid on it.

They lived out of their car(s).

They avoided confrontation and did a fair amount of night burglaries.

Clyde was best known for his skills as a driver - he could drift a car like no one else - after a few miles on a dirt or gravel road he was gone from sight.

Their ambush and execution was ordered by Lee Simmons - after the Eastham Prison Farm breakout in which Clyde drove the getaway car - an embarrassed Simmons who had been hired as general director of Texas Prisons - asked Texas Ranger Frank Hamer to kill Bonnie & Clyde.

Texas Ranger Frank Hamer had no jurisdiction in Louisiana - yet he put together the execution squad - he found it hard to find anyone willing to participate - there were no warrants for Bonnie & Clyde in Louisiana.

The first five shots from the youngest member of the execution squad at point blank range likely killed them both.

Clyde’s foot probably slipped off the clutch and the Ford rolled forward.

The additional gunfire was not necessary.

Every member of that execution squad was haunted by what they
did for their remaining days.

If you are interested in actual history - pay Perry a visit.

I took pictures & videos and posted them on my Facebook page last September.


Jim

[Steve/IL]

Is there any original owner and VIN information on the 1932 Convertible Sedan shown in some of the Bonnie & Clyde Photos??

[Karl]

Originally Posted by FrankWest

Bonnie's sister in law, part of the barrow gang

Frank if we are being pedantic Blanche was the sister in law of Clyde not Bonnie . Clyde and Bonnie weren't married in fact she was married to some one else until the day she died -Karl

[FrankWest]

Originally Posted by Karl

Frank if we are being pedantic Blanche was the sister in law of Clyde not Bonnie . Clyde and Bonnie weren't married in fact she was married to some one else until the day she died -Karl

You are just too cleaver for me, I don't know how I missed that?

[Ed in Maine]

An interesting read is the book entitled "The Epic Life of Frank Hamer". He is the Texas Ranger assigned to the task of taking down Bonny & Clyde. Chapter 20 is devoted to the ambush and the aftermath. Back in those days there was no yellow tape marking off the crime scene and onlookers were stealing stuff out of the car and taking samples of Bonny's hair for a souvenir! They were horrible people and got what they deserved. Ed

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by 38bill

Mr Jesse Warren and his wife Ruth were the original owners. This link has a photo of them with the car.

https://www.cjonline.com/news/201904...ars-ago-monday

Yes, Bill. But I think the news article you posted has the name wrong. That is what I was referring to.

[38bill]

Originally Posted by TonyM

Yes, Bill. But I think the news article you posted has the name wrong. That is what I was referring to.

Yes, seems that the reporter got the name wrong. I'm going to go through my police records and list all the cars that I have reports on. I'll post it in a new thread.

[joe 1950]

just to add a story my wife’s aunt was a RN at a hospital in chicago in the 30s with all the gang related killings with the tommy guns she said sometimes they couldn’t keep up with filling the body bags as they where being brought in and not just gangsters normal people just in the wrong place at the wrong time she and another nurse couldn’t take it so they left

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by 38bill

Yes, seems that the reporter got the name wrong. I'm going to go through my police records and list all the cars that I have reports on. I'll post it in a new thread.

That's great. I look forward to reading up on it when you post.

[twostickmutt]

Originally Posted by FrankWest

You are just too cleaver for me, I don't know how I missed that?

frank what is the story with jimmy lawerence or was it just that.....a story. thanks.

[38bill]

Originally Posted by Steve/IL

Is there any original owner and VIN information on the 1932 Convertible Sedan shown in some of the Bonnie & Clyde Photos??

So far the only information I have been able to find that shows a 1932 Ford with Bonnie and Clyde is listed below. This information is taken directly from a police report.

Aug 15, 1932
1932 Ford V817768 2 door.
Stolen at Victoria TX.
License number K71-810
"Car may show bullet holes on left side of body"

The lic plate #587-956 that shows on the photos was actually a plate from a Essex sedan. The Essex owner J.T. Brewer claimed to have removed and thrown away these plates when he installed new 1933 plates on his Essex.

[[email protected]]

The actual vehicle in which they met their demise is located in a casino somewhere in Nevada. The holy grail of license plate collectors would be to own one of the numerous stolen license plates recovered from the trunk of their vehicle and used during their crime sprees to avoid recognition.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

The actual vehicle in which they met their demise is located in a casino somewhere in Nevada. The holy grail of license plate collectors would be to own one of the numerous stolen license plates recovered from the trunk of their vehicle and used during their crime sprees to avoid recognition.

In my lifetime, I've seen at least three (maybe four) of the ACTUAL VEHICLES in which they met their eventual demise. They're seemingly everywhere! Coop

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[vintagehotrods]

Originally Posted by 38bill

So far the only information I have been able to find that shows a 1932 Ford with Bonnie and Clyde is listed below. This information is taken directly from a police report.

Aug 15, 1932
1932 Ford V817768 2 door.
Stolen at Victoria TX.
License number K71-810
"Car may show bullet holes on left side of body"

The lic plate #587-956 that shows on the photos was actually a plate from a Essex sedan. The Essex owner J.T. Brewer claimed to have removed and thrown away these plates when he installed new 1933 plates on his Essex.

My friend Mike DeVriendt owned the 1932 Ford B400 that was thought to be this car because it had evidence of bullet holes in the back bustle. Mike chased every lead he could find on this cars history but he couldn't find definitive proof that it was the car pictured with Bonnie and Clyde. He eventually sold the car to someone that wanted to do a full restoration. The new owner sandblasted all that beautiful patina and history away and then died before it was ever finished. What a sad waste of history!









In my hometown of Sioux Falls, South Dakota on March 6, 1934, John Dillinger, then known by the FBI as Public Enemy #1, came to Sioux Falls with his gang and robbed the Security National Bank. The robbery netted the gangsters nearly $50,000, which was a lot of money in 1934.

A historic plaque still marks the spot of the robber in downtown Sioux Falls.





This a great video from South Dakota Public Television of the robbery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DDDIxFgahk

March 6, 1934, started like any other day at the Securities National Bank and Trust in Sioux Falls. Customers went about their usual business, when events took a very bad turn. John Dillinger, accompanied by his gang of thugs, robbed the bank of $46,000 in cash. It was the first bank robbery in Sioux Falls history.

The gang, comprised of Dillinger, Homer Van Meter, Tommy Carroll, George "Baby Face" Nelson, Eddie Green, and John Hamilton, stopped traffic at the corner of Ninth Street and Main Avenue, the location of the bank; two of the gang stayed outside with machine guns, holding a crowd of near 1,000 people at bay while the other four thugs entered the bank, and "mouthed curses and threats" to customers and employees.

Hale Keith, a police motorcycle patrolman, heard bursts of gunfire, which the robbers had set off to intimidate their hostages, and approached the bank to investigate. One of the robbers inside the bank saw him, and fired through the window. Keith was struck in the abdomen, the leg, and both arms. The robber shouted "I got one, I got one," and turned his attention back to the terrorized customers and bank employees, which numbered about 30.

Numerous calls to the police station reported the robbery, but the local police were ill equipped to deal with such a situation. The two gangsters stationed outside the bank forced the officers from their cars, and ordered them to line up on the sidewalk.

Inside the bank, among the terrified customers and employees was 30 year old Esther Smith, a young mother, who was employed as an elevator operator at the bank. During the robbery, she was unable to stop the elevator on any floor, so she had to crank the old elevator up and down, by hand, until the robbery was over. Meanwhile, the thugs grabbed up the cash and ordered four girls, a bank teller, Police Chief Parsons, and an officer to form a "sheild" as they made their getaway, the whole affair lasting about 15 minutes. The president of the bank, C. R. Clark, "almost positively" identified the leader of the gang as John Dillinger.

As they left the bank, the gansters ordered the four girls, later identified as Mildred Bostwick, Alice Blegan, Emma Knatach and Mary Lucas, plus the bank teller, Leo Olson, to stand on the running board of the green 1934 Packard as they jumped inside and made their getaway. Police Chief Parons fired several shots, apparently puncturing the gas tank. Several other vehicles pursued the thugs, but machine gun fire from the getaway car discouraged any further chase. The hostages were released about 2 miles south of Sioux Falls, when the robbers changed vehicles. An aviator who was in pursuit, noted that the gang changed autos at least three times before they disappeared.

In 1976, the daughter of elevator operator Esther Smith, who was nine years old at the time of the robbery, visited the bank building, and was able to point out bullet holes left by Dillinger's gang.

[Old Redneck]

What a life to live. I don't see how they could enjoy living with nothing to gain. No real friends and no place they could call home. They ended up with nothing at all but there failures in life. Nothing to look forward in life. Why would anyone want a life like that.

[trulyvintage]

Originally Posted by Old Redneck

What a life to live. I don't see how they could enjoy living with nothing to gain. No real friends and no place they could call home. They ended up with nothing at all but there failures in life. Nothing to look forward in life. Why would anyone want a life like that.

Seriously ?

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Jim

[Tinker]

Bonnie and Clyde were just gangsters. They lived a life to fail. They failed.

Infamous, yes. Did they rob and kill people... yes. Guess that was cool to some.

[Tinker]

Next time you get robbed, just remember it's just jessie james sharing the wealth.


It's an American way. Gangs, mafia, and business. Honed and protected here, exported world wide!

[cas3]

Tinker, "come on man", robbery started at the beginning of time, not invented here in the USA. I look at MPLS CRIMEWATCH every day on twitter, none of it is covered on the main stream news, and you can not imagine what has happened to our city. I do not go downtown any more , at any time, to any place

[Tinker]

If you look at immigrates over time. The first generation are hard working people. Second Americanized generation...

[Tinker]

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I agree things are going south. But still better then the 60s if you look at numbers. Fear is just a tool. I'm not afraid.

Yes, We didn't invent it. Cain and abel stuff. We protect it and glorify it. Bonnie and Clyde can eat it.

[cas3]

It was glorified in the depression when the banks were failing and called in the debt, mortgages, and losing the the little guys savings, so after the banks screwed the little guy the people had fun making heroes out of the robbers. Deep subject...I'm off to bed

[Tinker]

All good. Thanks for the history lesson. I certainly didn't know that. . But who did they kill? The banker? or the guy working to protect the bank trying to make a buck? Did it change banking for the little guy?

Deep subject... Have a good night.


https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-c...nnie-and-clyde

[Tinker]

Local banks were not Fed backed till June 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt signed the Banking Act of 1933, a part of which established the FDIC.

The reign of B&C was before that. Local money. But yes the bankers still steal, backed up by taxpayers money if things go wrong. hahaha


If you are reading what I'm saying and think I'm anti-American. You are not reading what I'm saying.

[RBRanche]

The reign of B&C was before that. Local money. But yes the bankers still steal, backed up by taxpayers money if things go wrong.


Actually Bonnie and Clyde crime spree started in 1932 and continued until may of 1934 when law enforcement finally shut them down.

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by RBRanche

The reign of B&C was before that. Local money. But yes the bankers still steal, backed up by taxpayers money if things go wrong.


Actually Bonnie and Clyde crime spree started in 1932 and continued until may of 1934 when law enforcement finally shut them down.

You could say maybe... they helped local banks be insured by federal money. Not a bad thing. There is co-ops and credit unions today that is nice to be part of, they are backed federally too.


They did kill at least 13 people. Few before 32. People are people, there will always be a few. It was noted they loved the 32 ford and sent a letter to Henry. Not sure he thought that was kool.

[johnboy34]

And as to what the original poster stated, "500 to 1000 miles in a day". They were taking brand new cars driven'm like they stole'm. LOL !

[Tinker]

Lot of Ford hero's in the development of the 32 car. Nobody knows their name.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyg_v7Vxo4A

[Karl]

Originally Posted by trulyvintage

Seriously ?

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Jim

Jim I think you are right -Unfortunately there are still people out there who are happy to be dead provided they are (in)famous -what a mixed up world -Karl

[Tinker]

Being a genX 80' kid you realize there are people that can't say I'm sorry. No matter if it was their fault or not. Ive spent decades with someone that will never say sorry, just let time heal a open festering wound that doesn't heal.

[SoCalCoupe]

zzz

[Tinker]

Maybe we should do like Iceland and actually jail bankers that f' people. Weird concept.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...s-go-to-prison

[Tinker]

Spent 20 yrs in Florida the medicare fraud capital of the states. Always wondered why this guy got to senate. Same shit.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...002-story.html

[SoCalCoupe]

Originally Posted by Tinker

Maybe we should do like Iceland and actually jail bankers that f' people. Weird concept.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...s-go-to-prison

zzz

[J Franklin]

You guys are sure working hard to get this thread thrown into the trash bin, SHAME on you!