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Old 04-04-2020, 08:03 PM   #1
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Default Timken front wheel bearings good source

Here is the correct Timken numbers and a source that is reasonably priced
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P/N Qty unit Price total
1. Timken 15118 front inner wheel bearing 15118, 2@ $8.84 $17.68
2. Timken 15250 front inner wheel race 15250, 2@ $7.20 $14.40
3. Timken 09074 front outer wheel bearing 09074, 2@ $14.16 $28.32
4. Timken 09196 front outer wheel race 09196, 2@ $5.89 $11.78
Total $72.18
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Are all Model A’s the same bearings or do they very by year or model !
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Are all Model As the same bearings or do they very by year or model !
They are the same for all Model A Fords 1928-1931
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And NOS Timken wheel bearings are very plentiful, so those are an option as well.
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And NOS Timken wheel bearings are very plentiful, so those are an option as well.
What is the difference between new Timken and NOS Timken ?
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Timken Bearings today are made in China (or pacific rim) to exacting standards by the American company. There is extensive quality control - a nephew worked for a while for Timken and part of his "apprenticeship" (he is a 4 year Programming Degree) was served overseas implementing computer quality controls.

Today's production is the same whether used in a Nuclear Power Plant or for common "off the shelf" at NAPA. The only difference is that given the two, the Nuclear version has "full paper certification" and is thereby qualified for nuclear service. If you come to a bearing you're not sure of - Timken can produce that bearing's quality assurance record and tell if it was originally provided nuclear grade. If it is not, Timken can then quality it with the backing paperwork - for a price. (There is a price difference about 2x between their plain bearings and nuclear grade bearings - based on the paperwork trail.)

One imagines that NOS Timken may not have this level of quality control - made up for in part by a personal dedication. I imagine that being like that, NOS bearings might be more "hit or miss" quality wise.

I obviously don't buy nuclear paperwork for my new Timken bearings, but I do go on Ebay and look for deals. Generally anything on Ebay is about 3/4 the price of Timken bought new. And going this route, one has no way to tell NOS from more modern production.

Well, maybe the styling of the box. (This is you performing your own quality control of things you can measure - with your eyes. )

Of course someone may have put a used, possibly non Timken bearing back in the Timken box it came in - and sold the discard on Ebay.

I've seen this with Hyatt Bearings.

There is a LOT of Timken out there.

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>>There is a LOT of Timken out there.


Google "counterfeit timken bearings"
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And NOS Timken wheel bearings are very plentiful, so those are an option as well.
The article on counterfeit Timken suggest the quality of the ones you refer to is questionable! Better to go with new ones off the dealers shelf. Sometimes cheaper is not better.
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The article on counterfeit Timken suggest the quality of the ones you refer to is questionable! Better to go with new ones off the dealers shelf. Sometimes cheaper is not better.
I don't know what it is like in your neck of the woods, but here it is a nightmare trying to sift the wheat from the sand. Packaging is different from one supplier to another and part numbers do not add up to what is on the Timken web site. I tried to buy some Timken 4wd bearings and could not make sense of what I was buying. I gave up, went Japanese from a well known bearing supply house.
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Couldn't get the new Timken 15118 inner bearings to fit on the spindles like in other posts.
The old obsoleted Ford products fit perfectly.
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How are the Pacific Rim Timken's marked?
Most Timken's used to say "USA".
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I just received some 'Fafnir' bearings marked Turkey in Timken boxes that say "Printed in USA" from Bert's...??
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How are the Pacific Rim Timken's marked?
Most Timken's used to say "USA".
If a bearing is counterfeit, it most likely will be stamped "USA" just like the US one. That's how counterfeiting works.
Back in the 1960's Japanese bearings (and everything else they made) was considered rubbish. That has completely changed now. Some of he best bearings I use are from Japan and are much cheaper than Timken. IMO, fake Timkens cost the same as the real deal - that's how they make their $.
Having "USA" stamped on something doesn't mean much. In the 1960's, the Japanese opened up new Industrial city with suburbs called such things as "USA", "Manchester", "Sheffield", "England"etc. Technically, when they marked something "Made in Sheffield" or "Made in USA", they weren't lying.
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If a bearing is counterfeit, it most likely will be stamped "USA" just like the US one. That's how counterfeiting works.
Back in the 1960's Japanese bearings (and everything else they made) was considered rubbish. That has completely changed now. Some of he best bearings I use are from Japan and are much cheaper than Timken. IMO, fake Timkens cost the same as the real deal - that's how they make their $.
Having "USA" stamped on something doesn't mean much. In the 1960's, the Japanese opened up new Industrial city with suburbs called such things as "USA", "Manchester", "Sheffield", "England"etc. Technically, when they marked something "Made in Sheffield" or "Made in USA", they weren't lying.
Thanks Syncro.

The issue of counterfeit Timken bearings (that is, bearings marked "Timken", but are not made by Timken) is disturbing, and has been a long long standing problem for many companies.

I was actually referring to the post by by Joe K where he said "Timken Bearings today are made in china (or pacific rim)". If Timken is making them there, then they are not 'counterfeit' (by definition). Its these bearings that I was referring to. Sorry I was unclear.

So does Timken mark those chinese-made bearings as "Made In china"? As a business move, wouldn't the intended market for those chinese-made bearings be Asia, and not USA? Surely Timken still makes bearings in the USA for the USA market (and other countries)?

I just checked Berts and Snyders, both say their front wheel bearing sets are "Timken USA". The other suppliers are probably the same.
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And NOS Timken wheel bearings are very plentiful, so those are an option as well.
Well, I'm looking for a set. New or NOS doesn't matter to me, as long as its made by Timken in the USA.

The definition of "NOS" is a slippery slope, because people have all kinds of ideas. For me, and by most accepted methods, "NOS" (New Old Stock) is the exact same component that was used during the initial manufacturing process (of a car), and would be supplied by the initial manufacturer (parts department) for a time period that is typical for suppliers (car dealers) to carry them. Lets say 10-15 years, but that's not a rule (especially for Ford, which tended to supply some parts for a much longer period of time). In this example of "NOS", you would have a Ford box, with the Ford part number, that contains a Timken bearing marked Ford and/or Timken.

Where are you finding plentifull amounts of NOS Timken bearings?
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That was my problem a couple of years ago when I was looking. The new Timken bearings are not marked. I assume this is so they can package them under various brand names.
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Well people can be a bit misleading or simply they do not know the difference betweem "New old stock" and "new old replacement stock." I could be wrong but I do believe that Timken has made these same bearings since production.

I have seen a lot of them at swap meets and on ebay as well. Just look at them first before you buy.
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