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sky1928 · 06-12-2014, 05:42 PM

What is a rough fair value for a 1928 AR Pickup Truck. I have a chance to get one that was restored around 2000 and has sat in a business display since. It looks good, but I need to check it over and insure it runs. I want to make a far offer, but not over spend.

C26Pinelake · 06-12-2014, 08:52 PM

Do you have a photo, is there any rust in the last 14 years, has it been started or does it run, are the tires dry rotted, is there a clear title, is it open cab ( roadster ) or closed cab ?
Wayne

Fred · 06-12-2014, 09:18 PM

Running & tires are very minor. How much of the Early Original stuff is still on it makes a BIG $$ difference, plus body style & over all condition...There is no such thing as an "AR" car or truck..

C26Pinelake · 06-12-2014, 10:23 PM

Running and tires are not minor to me. Tires to replace can be $1000 for Goodyears and a rebuilt engine can be. $4000 easily.
Wayne

Purdy Swoft · 06-12-2014, 10:36 PM

Not if you can rebuild them yourself .

C26Pinelake · 06-12-2014, 11:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

Not if you can rebuild them yourself .

Most of us are not that talented ! You sir are the exception!
Wayne

Mike V. Florida · 06-12-2014, 11:34 PM

Some people put a premium on the E28's some do not. Have them start the bidding is the best way to go.

Are you a betting man? Tell them you have no idea if the engine is any good as you don't know how the engine was prepared when it went on display. Start listing all the things that could be wrong then make them an offer.

Just remember if you plan to keep the car for years to come, within reason, you can't pay too much you can only buy too early.

Pay what you feel is right then tell others you paid 5000 less then what you did.

ctlikon0712 · 06-13-2014, 12:00 AM

I would suggest getting the Restoration Guidelines and educating yourself on the Early 28 stuff and then barter with them accordingly. Ron in Quincy has one and might could help you.

Tudortomnz · 06-13-2014, 01:08 AM

Most of the Open Cab deliveries built in 1928 & early '29 would have early '28 parts on them. All the left over early stuff went into the Commercial chassis as Ford policy.

ronn · 06-13-2014, 04:30 AM

I'll go out on a limb
the ar means nothing

9-12k would be a ballpark
go to ebay-hit the advanced search and see what has sold in the last month-only compare sold prices, not asking prices-big diff!

Wick · 06-13-2014, 05:39 AM

I sold a 29 for $3500 no motor. It was all apart and very little rust. I also saw a 28 bring 9k at a auction and it was a older restoration.

Fred · 06-13-2014, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronn

I'll go out on a limb
the ar means nothing

9-12k would be a ballpark
go to ebay-hit the advanced search and see what has sold in the last month-only compare sold prices, not asking prices-big diff!

Well, Not Quite, "AR" It means that a part has been replaced by another one, ie; Clutch Assy.. Not the whole car or truck..

George Miller · 06-13-2014, 12:43 PM

Just because a engine runs does not make it good. I have seen some real junk engines run. If some one tells me the engine is rebuilt that is not a plus. It makes me think how much will it take to get it right. Rebuilt is a over used word.

Purdy Swoft · 06-13-2014, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C26Pinelake

Most of us are not that talented ! You sir are the exception!
Wayne

Thanks Wayne !

sky1928 · 06-14-2014, 07:31 AM

Thanks to all that replied:
From what I was told, the "AR" meant it was the first "A" design produced after the Model T. I will have a chance to look it over and take some photos next week. It has a clear title and has been stored indoors since restored. I have since learned that it does run, but maintenance has been minimal over the storage years. I think Ronn's price is a reasonable ball park and I may offer in that range.
Thanks again for everyone's input, as I appreciate it very much.

Joe K · 06-14-2014, 08:01 AM

I think "AR" refers to those early parts which couldn't be "forward-fitted" due to improvements in the vehicle - and would have to be retained in Ford parts inventories to support service on early production.

A lot of early features, such as the single shoe brake system, WERE upgraded, i.e. they were made "backfit-able" with a later brake system. Consequently there are not so many single shoe brake Model A's around. Most had been converted to the later system.

But a lot of early features were not - and required AR parts to maintain.

The term has come to mean "early" - or difficult to find the matching or correct part.

Joe K

Fred · 06-14-2014, 09:34 AM

You had better take some one with you that knows what an V-Early or Early "A" should have on it or you may be buying a 1928-29-30-31 parts truck..

ronn · 06-15-2014, 05:56 AM

didn't know ar had different meanings..............

always thought it was an early vehicle, same as sky-never saw much importance unless
we are talking about a 1000 point show winner, or one of the very first cars off the line, which many of us know, doesn't pertain to the majority of ar vehicles..........
there seems to be this preconceived opinion that if you own an ar car, it has some astronomical value, but when being sold, rarely holds water, as has been sited on the barn before.........
so the question, what is an older restoration worth for a pu truck.....
GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO THE QUALITY OF RESTORATION AND HOW WELL IT HAS HELD UP-sorry about the caps, bumped the wrong button

Brobrian · 06-15-2014, 12:59 PM

Looks like the OP got his input, so I'm not hijacking the thread.

On the topic of AR cars, I have a '28 Special Coupe, that is apparently AR. I've never thought of it as worth more dough, but always considered myself fortunate to have it. It's special quirky parts needs which are not obvious to someone else, have made the car seem more special to me. So, I guess I'm saying the AR can have a special, non-monetary value. I'll bet a number of unique A's are like that for their owners.
http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/pictur...ictureid=27396

bobH · 06-15-2014, 01:41 PM

I'd like to toss out a thought on 'restored', and 'runs'. I bought a car about a dozen years ago that was amateur restored. It had been 'club-judged', and was pretty fair in regards to looks. I saw restoration pictures that included the shiney, freshly painted engine. Turns out, as I later found, the engine is worn to about .017-.018 cylinder taper. Seems like all the 'restorer' did was clean it up and paint it. Point is, you might be expecting a little more than you see. You don't need a good engine in a display vehicle. JMO

06-12-2014, 05:42 PM	#1
sky1928 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 53	Value of a 1928 AR Pickup What is a rough fair value for a 1928 AR Pickup Truck. I have a chance to get one that was restored around 2000 and has sat in a business display since. It looks good, but I need to check it over and insure it runs. I want to make a far offer, but not over spend.

06-12-2014, 08:52 PM	#2
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup Do you have a photo, is there any rust in the last 14 years, has it been started or does it run, are the tires dry rotted, is there a clear title, is it open cab ( roadster ) or closed cab ? Wayne

06-12-2014, 09:18 PM	#3
Fred BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: California, Maryland Posts: 1,421	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup Running & tires are very minor. How much of the Early Original stuff is still on it makes a BIG $$ difference, plus body style & over all condition...There is no such thing as an "AR" car or truck..

06-12-2014, 10:23 PM	#4
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup Running and tires are not minor to me. Tires to replace can be $1000 for Goodyears and a rebuilt engine can be. $4000 easily. Wayne

06-12-2014, 10:36 PM	#5
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup Not if you can rebuild them yourself .

06-12-2014, 11:34 PM	#7
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup Some people put a premium on the E28's some do not. Have them start the bidding is the best way to go. Are you a betting man? Tell them you have no idea if the engine is any good as you don't know how the engine was prepared when it went on display. Start listing all the things that could be wrong then make them an offer. Just remember if you plan to keep the car for years to come, within reason, you can't pay too much you can only buy too early. Pay what you feel is right then tell others you paid 5000 less then what you did. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

06-13-2014, 12:00 AM	#8
ctlikon0712 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 1,609	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup I would suggest getting the Restoration Guidelines and educating yourself on the Early 28 stuff and then barter with them accordingly. Ron in Quincy has one and might could help you. __________________ Wanted: Simmons Super Power Head Craig Likon 1931 150B

06-13-2014, 01:08 AM	#9
Tudortomnz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canterbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,242	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup Most of the Open Cab deliveries built in 1928 & early '29 would have early '28 parts on them. All the left over early stuff went into the Commercial chassis as Ford policy.

06-13-2014, 04:30 AM	#10
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,793	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup I'll go out on a limb the ar means nothing 9-12k would be a ballpark go to ebay-hit the advanced search and see what has sold in the last month-only compare sold prices, not asking prices-big diff!

06-13-2014, 05:39 AM	#11
Wick Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gwynn's Island Va Posts: 1,390	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup I sold a 29 for $3500 no motor. It was all apart and very little rust. I also saw a 28 bring 9k at a auction and it was a older restoration.

06-13-2014, 12:43 PM	#13
George Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 2,975	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup Just because a engine runs does not make it good. I have seen some real junk engines run. If some one tells me the engine is rebuilt that is not a plus. It makes me think how much will it take to get it right. Rebuilt is a over used word. Last edited by George Miller; 06-14-2014 at 12:02 PM.

06-14-2014, 07:31 AM	#15
sky1928 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 53	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup Thanks to all that replied: From what I was told, the "AR" meant it was the first "A" design produced after the Model T. I will have a chance to look it over and take some photos next week. It has a clear title and has been stored indoors since restored. I have since learned that it does run, but maintenance has been minimal over the storage years. I think Ronn's price is a reasonable ball park and I may offer in that range. Thanks again for everyone's input, as I appreciate it very much.

06-14-2014, 08:01 AM	#16
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup I think "AR" refers to those early parts which couldn't be "forward-fitted" due to improvements in the vehicle - and would have to be retained in Ford parts inventories to support service on early production. A lot of early features, such as the single shoe brake system, WERE upgraded, i.e. they were made "backfit-able" with a later brake system. Consequently there are not so many single shoe brake Model A's around. Most had been converted to the later system. But a lot of early features were not - and required AR parts to maintain. The term has come to mean "early" - or difficult to find the matching or correct part. Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

06-14-2014, 09:34 AM	#17
Fred BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: California, Maryland Posts: 1,421	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup You had better take some one with you that knows what an V-Early or Early "A" should have on it or you may be buying a 1928-29-30-31 parts truck..

06-15-2014, 05:56 AM	#18
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,793	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup didn't know ar had different meanings.............. always thought it was an early vehicle, same as sky-never saw much importance unless we are talking about a 1000 point show winner, or one of the very first cars off the line, which many of us know, doesn't pertain to the majority of ar vehicles.......... there seems to be this preconceived opinion that if you own an ar car, it has some astronomical value, but when being sold, rarely holds water, as has been sited on the barn before......... so the question, what is an older restoration worth for a pu truck..... GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO THE QUALITY OF RESTORATION AND HOW WELL IT HAS HELD UP-sorry about the caps, bumped the wrong button

06-15-2014, 12:59 PM	#19
Brobrian Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 315	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup Looks like the OP got his input, so I'm not hijacking the thread. On the topic of AR cars, I have a '28 Special Coupe, that is apparently AR. I've never thought of it as worth more dough, but always considered myself fortunate to have it. It's special quirky parts needs which are not obvious to someone else, have made the car seem more special to me. So, I guess I'm saying the AR can have a special, non-monetary value. I'll bet a number of unique A's are like that for their owners. http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/pictur...ictureid=27396 __________________ Forty horses is plenty.

06-15-2014, 01:41 PM	#20
bobH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: so cal, placerville, vegas Posts: 1,394	Re: Value of a 1928 AR Pickup I'd like to toss out a thought on 'restored', and 'runs'. I bought a car about a dozen years ago that was amateur restored. It had been 'club-judged', and was pretty fair in regards to looks. I saw restoration pictures that included the shiney, freshly painted engine. Turns out, as I later found, the engine is worn to about .017-.018 cylinder taper. Seems like all the 'restorer' did was clean it up and paint it. Point is, you might be expecting a little more than you see. You don't need a good engine in a display vehicle. JMO