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Bruce/CT · 04-25-2012, 05:17 PM

Hi Barners,
Engine is out but side support bars are not. The bolt attaching the bar to the frame has what I thought was an Allen head----NOT. Then I tried a 3/8 and 1/2 inch socket drive----NOT. SO WHAT THE HELL IS IT? Don't want to mess it up. Some type of square stock size?
Thanks,
Bruce/CT

Scott H · 04-25-2012, 05:48 PM

ARe you talking about the anti-chatter rods that go from the bellhousing to the frame?

Gary Tosel · 04-25-2012, 05:51 PM

Yes it is a square stock required, since it is threaded into the rod. There are some plug wrenches out there that have several different sizes that may have the correct one. Otherwise find a square stock and use a wrench or vice grips to remove. You may need to soak it with solvent before trying, since they can be difficult to remove.

Lawrie · 04-25-2012, 05:58 PM

You can buy a socket that has the square drive ,
Any good supplier should have then,mine are snap on i think
Lawrie

Bruce/CT · 04-25-2012, 06:13 PM

Thanks for the replies BUT DOES ANYONE KNOW THE SIZE???
Is it 5/16 in? Been soaking in Acetone/Trani solutoin. I'm at Carlisle (waiting for tomorrows rain) and will look for the stock.
Bruce

deuce lover · 04-25-2012, 06:37 PM

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Bruce,Its 5/16". I used a chisel that has a square shank,filed it a bit and stuck it in ,with vise grip on chisel end it came loose.Had to use heat to get it to budge.

ken ct · 04-25-2012, 06:44 PM

It is 5/16 Bruce, S-K makes a drive adaptor in that size [i have ,bought one about a yr ago] im sure snap on or Matco have the same thing. ken ct.

Ken Bull · 04-25-2012, 07:21 PM

Oh Me...I used an appropriate screw driver & Visegrip...Worked for Me

Henry/Kokomo · 04-25-2012, 08:20 PM

How about a piece of 5/16" square key stock and an adjustable wrench for leverage?

mrtexas · 04-25-2012, 09:12 PM

I welded on a nut and got them off that way. Then I discovered I could buy a replacement from http://www.fordscript.com/ford_bolts/products.html. Umm, then I bought the 5/16 socket for $15 online. Wrong order but got it done. My 36 woodie has the same type of bolt to attach the floorpan to the wood spacer above the axle. I welded half a hex head bolt to half a 7/16 fine bolt and replaced that one. Should have bought the correct socket to begin with. Oh well, live and learn.

JM 35 Sedan · 04-26-2012, 04:54 PM

The first thing I do is shoot some good penetrating oil (like Kroil) all over the bolt and the female threaded piece attached to the frame and let that soak over night. Then I using a piece of 5/16" lathe tool square stock. Then I grind a very slight lead taper on all four sides at the end that goes into the square drive on the head of the bolt. Then find a 3/8" drive socket that will accept the other end of the square stock. I attached this to my hand held impact driver and give that a few good whacks with the driver set to move in the counter clock wise direction when impacted. A few of these whacks will usually get that bolt moving enough that an adjustable wrench or a hand held ratchet will finish removing the bolt from the frame.. As that bolt comes out make sure you don't loose that special conical shaped lock washer. Then BINGO the rods are off the frame and can be removed until reassembly of engine to vehicle..

dewickt · 04-26-2012, 05:19 PM

After bashing my knuckles I gave up and drilled the heads off, my spare engine came with a clean set that were not rusted.

Bruce/CT · 04-26-2012, 05:51 PM

Hi,
Found a Snap-On 3/8 drive socket that has a 5/16 male on the other end. When I get home Saturday I'll give it a try. I am confident this $ 2.00 purchase will work.
Thanks and I'll report on my success,
Bruce/CT

ken ct · 04-26-2012, 07:01 PM

Good find for $2 . ken ct.

04-25-2012, 05:17 PM	#1
Bruce/CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Middlebury, CT Posts: 780	Removing 36 Engine Side Support Hi Barners, Engine is out but side support bars are not. The bolt attaching the bar to the frame has what I thought was an Allen head----NOT. Then I tried a 3/8 and 1/2 inch socket drive----NOT. SO WHAT THE HELL IS IT? Don't want to mess it up. Some type of square stock size? Thanks, Bruce/CT __________________ Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently.......Henry Ford

04-25-2012, 05:48 PM	#2
Scott H Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wheaton, IL (west chicago) Posts: 558	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support ARe you talking about the anti-chatter rods that go from the bellhousing to the frame? __________________ 36 1/2 ton pickup on 38 car frame with 1940 v8 24 stud

04-25-2012, 05:51 PM	#3
Gary Tosel Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,138	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support Yes it is a square stock required, since it is threaded into the rod. There are some plug wrenches out there that have several different sizes that may have the correct one. Otherwise find a square stock and use a wrench or vice grips to remove. You may need to soak it with solvent before trying, since they can be difficult to remove.

04-25-2012, 05:58 PM	#4
Lawrie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Qld, Australia Posts: 4,218	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support You can buy a socket that has the square drive , Any good supplier should have then,mine are snap on i think Lawrie

04-25-2012, 06:13 PM	#5
Bruce/CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Middlebury, CT Posts: 780	Square stock size Thanks for the replies BUT DOES ANYONE KNOW THE SIZE??? Is it 5/16 in? Been soaking in Acetone/Trani solutoin. I'm at Carlisle (waiting for tomorrows rain) and will look for the stock. Bruce __________________ Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently.......Henry Ford

04-25-2012, 06:37 PM	#6
deuce lover Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern France Posts: 5,307	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Bruce,Its 5/16". I used a chisel that has a square shank,filed it a bit and stuck it in ,with vise grip on chisel end it came loose.Had to use heat to get it to budge.

04-25-2012, 06:44 PM	#7
ken ct BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: stratford,ct Posts: 5,971	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support It is 5/16 Bruce, S-K makes a drive adaptor in that size [i have ,bought one about a yr ago] im sure snap on or Matco have the same thing. ken ct.

04-25-2012, 07:21 PM	#8
Ken Bull Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Port St Lucie Florida Posts: 398	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support Oh Me...I used an appropriate screw driver & Visegrip...Worked for Me

04-25-2012, 08:20 PM	#9
Henry/Kokomo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kokomo, Indiana Posts: 1,731	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support How about a piece of 5/16" square key stock and an adjustable wrench for leverage?

04-25-2012, 09:12 PM	#10
mrtexas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 4,395	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support I welded on a nut and got them off that way. Then I discovered I could buy a replacement from http://www.fordscript.com/ford_bolts/products.html. Umm, then I bought the 5/16 socket for $15 online. Wrong order but got it done. My 36 woodie has the same type of bolt to attach the floorpan to the wood spacer above the axle. I welded half a hex head bolt to half a 7/16 fine bolt and replaced that one. Should have bought the correct socket to begin with. Oh well, live and learn.

04-26-2012, 04:54 PM	#11
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,858	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support The first thing I do is shoot some good penetrating oil (like Kroil) all over the bolt and the female threaded piece attached to the frame and let that soak over night. Then I using a piece of 5/16" lathe tool square stock. Then I grind a very slight lead taper on all four sides at the end that goes into the square drive on the head of the bolt. Then find a 3/8" drive socket that will accept the other end of the square stock. I attached this to my hand held impact driver and give that a few good whacks with the driver set to move in the counter clock wise direction when impacted. A few of these whacks will usually get that bolt moving enough that an adjustable wrench or a hand held ratchet will finish removing the bolt from the frame.. As that bolt comes out make sure you don't loose that special conical shaped lock washer. Then BINGO the rods are off the frame and can be removed until reassembly of engine to vehicle.. __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein*

04-26-2012, 05:19 PM	#12
dewickt Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 24	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support After bashing my knuckles I gave up and drilled the heads off, my spare engine came with a clean set that were not rusted. __________________ Terry

04-26-2012, 05:51 PM	#13
Bruce/CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Middlebury, CT Posts: 780	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support Hi, Found a Snap-On 3/8 drive socket that has a 5/16 male on the other end. When I get home Saturday I'll give it a try. I am confident this $ 2.00 purchase will work. Thanks and I'll report on my success, Bruce/CT __________________ Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently.......Henry Ford

04-26-2012, 07:01 PM	#14
ken ct BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: stratford,ct Posts: 5,971	Re: Removing 36 Engine Side Support Good find for $2 . ken ct.