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junkyardjeff · 03-18-2018, 09:36 AM

I grabbed some parts off a 63 galaxie with a 260 that had the PCV on the intake,yesterday I was in a local old junkyard gathering the rest of the parts to make the 302 look older and found that most 64 and up had the PCV in the pass side valve cover and then I found a 65 Fairlane that had a road draft tube attached to the pass valve cover.I thought all motors had to have a PCV around 62 or 63 so was 65 the last year for a road draft tube.

KULTULZ · 03-18-2018, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by junkyardjeff

I grabbed some parts off a 63 galaxie with a 260 that had the PCV on the intake,yesterday I was in a local old junkyard gathering the rest of the parts to make the 302 look older and found that most 64 and up had the PCV in the pass side valve cover and then I found a 65 Fairlane that had a road draft tube attached to the pass valve cover.I thought all motors had to have a PCV around 62 or 63 so was 65 the last year for a road draft tube.

As for CCV (Crankcase Ventilation), it depended on the area of the country whether a car/light truck had to have either. A car in CA or NY would require PCV where a state such as WY or MT might not.

FOMOCO assembled them as cheaply as possible to meet area emission law(s).

Ole Don · 03-18-2018, 11:41 AM

Yes, where it was to be sold new had a great deal to do with original equipment. Being from Minnesota, all the cars I saw had a battery that was a big grunt to lift, and a radiator the size of a big heater core. While scrounging a junk yard while in Oklahoma in the mid sixties, I found radiators big enough to cool a truck, and a battery that I could throw to the county line. Later, while working on the motor line at Ford, I found that alternator size, fan size, and other things that were different from place to place.

BW · 03-18-2018, 03:44 PM

Yes I think 65 was the last year.

junkyardjeff · 03-18-2018, 05:23 PM

I never seen a road draft tube on car that new.

V8 Bob · 03-19-2018, 07:19 AM

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I can't find any pictures or evidence of any regular US production ford V8 using road draft tubes after '61, and certainly not in '65. What was found on that Fairlane was most likely someone's cobble job ventilation system.

junkyardjeff · 03-19-2018, 07:27 AM

I have a 292 from a 62 galaxie that has a road draft tube and figured that was about the last year,I grabbed all the PCV parts from a 292 in a 63 or 64 truck in a junkyard.Maybe the 65 had a earlier motor but I think the 62 and I know the 63 small blocks had the ventilation system hooked to the rear of the intake,the 65 had the tube hooked to the valve cover where a PCV would go and was a factory part.

robib · 03-19-2018, 08:12 AM

I have a friend who bought a 1965 Comet with an A code 289 4bbl brand new. Still has the car and the road draft tube that came with it. The road draft tube was attached to the right side valve cover. This car was delivered in Long Island, NY. So the answer is, yes some 1965 Fords came with a road draft crankcase ventilation system.

BW · 03-19-2018, 08:49 AM

Back to Back, My friends 65 Comet 289 2bbl has a road draft tube. His Grandmother bought new at Mc Coy Ford Lincoln Mercury. So we have two Comets in row!

V8 Bob · 03-19-2018, 09:00 AM

Anybody have any pictures of the '65 road drafts?

KULTULZ · 03-19-2018, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by V8 Bob

I can't find any pictures or evidence of any regular US production ford V8 using road draft tubes after '61, and certainly not in '65. What was found on that Fairlane was most likely someone's cobble job ventilation system.

What he found is OEM (actually need good photo). Whether the car got either system depended entirely on the ENGINE CALIBRATION.

The road draft tube (and PCV valve were moved to the rocker cover in later production as it was a more efficient design. The rocker cover road draft will/should have the oil fill/ventilation cat (open system) on the left rocker cover.

Below is an early production MUST with road draft provision. Both road draft and PCV used the same intake for the period.

All for the want of a BLACK ink cartridge...

V8 Bob · 03-19-2018, 09:54 AM

OK, you've convinced me.

Just real odd Ford would switch to a pcv on the soon-to-be out of production 292" Y-block, along with the FE (and maybe others) in '61/'62, but would use the road draft on a brand new engine family all the way to '65.

KULTULZ · 03-19-2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by V8 Bob

OK, you've convinced me.

Just real odd Ford would switch to a pcv on the soon-to-be out of production 292" Y-block, along with the FE (and maybe others) in '61/'62, but would use the road draft on a brand new engine family all the way to '65.

I just wish I could post more info but am waiting for printer ink.

FORD actually first offered PCV in the 1960 model year, a model year earlier than the CA requirement. As for the 292, it had to comply with differing area emission law(s) so it was fitted with PCV. That is why it is so confusing as the engines were built/calibrated for where the vehicle was to be sold.

Either FORD had to bring the 292 into compliance or was not allowed to sell the 292 equipped vehicle in CA for instance.

You are a tech guy.

Here Is Some Interesting Reading- https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/....1967.10468958

THANX for the discussion...

KULTULZ · 03-19-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by junkyardjeff

I grabbed some parts off a 63 galaxie with a 260 that had the PCV on the intake,yesterday I was in a local old junkyard gathering the rest of the parts to make the 302 look older...

I always loved SLEEPERS. Open the hood and show the guys (usual suspect chebbie and NoPar owners) your antique looking install, they laugh and put their money up and you drive to the bank.

...sigh...

V8 Bob · 03-19-2018, 10:10 AM

Thanks KULTULZ. Interesting read.

junkyardjeff · 03-19-2018, 05:00 PM

I think the next time I am there I will grab that road draft tube and valve covers,do not know if I would ever use the tube but who knows what will happen.

junkyardjeff · 03-19-2018, 05:01 PM

That PCV system I got from the 63 260 bolts where this road draft tube attaches.

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

What he found is OEM (actually need good photo). Whether the car got either system depended entirely on the ENGINE CALIBRATION.

The road draft tube (and PCV valve were moved to the rocker cover in later production as it was a more efficient design. The rocker cover road draft will/should have the oil fill/ventilation cat (open system) on the left rocker cover.

Below is an early production MUST with road draft provision. Both road draft and PCV used the same intake for the period.

All for the want of a BLACK ink cartridge...

KULTULZ · 03-19-2018, 05:56 PM

Correct. the intake was cast to accept either system.

Is this engine a 2V or 4V?

I would show you a photo of a period SHELBY TIGER ALUM 4V intake but your heart may not be able to take it...

junkyardjeff · 03-19-2018, 08:12 PM

It came from a 2 bbl motor.

estout81 · 03-19-2018, 08:46 PM

The 5.0 EFI had the PCV in about the same place on the manifold.

KULTULZ · 03-20-2018, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by estout81

The 5.0 EFI had the PCV in about the same place on the manifold.

Yeah it did come to think of it.

THANX for the memory jog...

willowbilly3 · 03-26-2018, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by estout81

The 5.0 EFI had the PCV in about the same place on the manifold.

You can't really see the pcv, it is off the 2 big vac ports and Teed. 5.0 efi intake modified to use twin .98 2100s on my 260.

5851a · 03-30-2018, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Yeah it did come to think of it.

THANX for the memory jog...

It wasn't the best system in cold climates. There was a mesh screen under it and short drives in sub zero would freeze it into a block of ice. Blowby would start oil leaking from all the gaskets and seals.

KULTULZ · 04-08-2018, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

I just wish I could post more info but am waiting for printer ink.

FORD actually first offered PCV in the 1960 model year, a model year earlier than the CA requirement. As for the 292, it had to comply with differing area emission law(s) so it was fitted with PCV. That is why it is so confusing as the engines were built/calibrated for where the vehicle was to be sold.

Either FORD had to bring the 292 into compliance or was not allowed to sell the 292 equipped vehicle in CA for instance.

Well...

Finally got the cartridges but FIREFOX updated my browser and I cannot communicate with the printer.

As soon as I join the living again, I will show the drawing.

ADDENDUM-

SHELBY COBRA TIGER

KULTULZ · 04-11-2018, 02:36 AM

Finally...

The setup is for both 2V and 4V.

junkyardjeff · 04-11-2018, 07:15 AM

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It looks like I will have to go back and get that filter and retainer.

KULTULZ · 04-11-2018, 08:32 AM

Yeah, that is the actual oil/vapor separator and is necessary. It is replaced on a scheduled basis.

C2OZ 6A631-A - FA-58

Gasket PN- C2OZ 6870-A (FEL-PRO should have it)

Valve PN- C1AZ 6A666-A

PetesPonies · 11-27-2020, 12:59 AM

Road draft was absolutely used in the 1965 model year. Absolutely.

junkyardjeff · 11-27-2020, 09:09 PM

When and if this all goes togather I have a 66 4 bbl intake that has the provision and the three threaded holes for that PCV system but the larger hole is not drilled so it will have to be machined.

PetesPonies · 11-27-2020, 11:15 PM

They were delivered different ways. Some had a plug in the hole. Some had nothing but a flat place where it went. Some had the threaded holes for fasteners, but no opening for the gases.

KULTULZ · 11-28-2020, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 5851a

It wasn't the best system in cold climates. There was a mesh screen under it and short drives in sub zero would freeze it into a block of ice. Blowby would start oil leaking from all the gaskets and seals.

Now we are talking 5.0L EFI correct? Was your 5.0L HO, STD or LT? How far north were you when the system froze?

Now for the earlier road draft design.

Two SBF tubes shown below, one manifold mount and the other rocker cover mount (1965) -

PetesPonies · 11-28-2020, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Now we are talking 5.0L EFI correct? Was your 5.0L HO, STD or LT? How far north were you when the system froze?

Now for the earlier road draft design.

Two SBF tubes shown below, one manifold mount and the other rocker cover mount (1965) -

Yep, correct

junkyardjeff · 11-28-2020, 02:19 PM

The PCV on the EFI is a pain to get to.

03-18-2018, 09:36 AM	#1
junkyardjeff Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: dayton Ohio Posts: 243	PCV systems on the smallblocks I grabbed some parts off a 63 galaxie with a 260 that had the PCV on the intake,yesterday I was in a local old junkyard gathering the rest of the parts to make the 302 look older and found that most 64 and up had the PCV in the pass side valve cover and then I found a 65 Fairlane that had a road draft tube attached to the pass valve cover.I thought all motors had to have a PCV around 62 or 63 so was 65 the last year for a road draft tube.

03-18-2018, 11:41 AM	#3
Ole Don Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Michael, Minnesota Posts: 1,713	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Yes, where it was to be sold new had a great deal to do with original equipment. Being from Minnesota, all the cars I saw had a battery that was a big grunt to lift, and a radiator the size of a big heater core. While scrounging a junk yard while in Oklahoma in the mid sixties, I found radiators big enough to cool a truck, and a battery that I could throw to the county line. Later, while working on the motor line at Ford, I found that alternator size, fan size, and other things that were different from place to place.

03-18-2018, 03:44 PM	#4
BW Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 259	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Yes I think 65 was the last year.

03-18-2018, 05:23 PM	#5
junkyardjeff Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: dayton Ohio Posts: 243	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks I never seen a road draft tube on car that new.

03-19-2018, 07:19 AM	#6
V8 Bob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Granger (Northern) Indiana Posts: 1,520	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I can't find any pictures or evidence of any regular US production ford V8 using road draft tubes after '61, and certainly not in '65. What was found on that Fairlane was most likely someone's cobble job ventilation system.

03-19-2018, 07:27 AM	#7
junkyardjeff Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: dayton Ohio Posts: 243	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks I have a 292 from a 62 galaxie that has a road draft tube and figured that was about the last year,I grabbed all the PCV parts from a 292 in a 63 or 64 truck in a junkyard.Maybe the 65 had a earlier motor but I think the 62 and I know the 63 small blocks had the ventilation system hooked to the rear of the intake,the 65 had the tube hooked to the valve cover where a PCV would go and was a factory part.

03-19-2018, 08:12 AM	#8
robib Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Canton, Ct Posts: 36	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks I have a friend who bought a 1965 Comet with an A code 289 4bbl brand new. Still has the car and the road draft tube that came with it. The road draft tube was attached to the right side valve cover. This car was delivered in Long Island, NY. So the answer is, yes some 1965 Fords came with a road draft crankcase ventilation system.

03-19-2018, 08:49 AM	#9
BW Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 259	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Back to Back, My friends 65 Comet 289 2bbl has a road draft tube. His Grandmother bought new at Mc Coy Ford Lincoln Mercury. So we have two Comets in row!

03-19-2018, 09:00 AM	#10
V8 Bob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Granger (Northern) Indiana Posts: 1,520	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Anybody have any pictures of the '65 road drafts?

03-19-2018, 09:54 AM	#12
V8 Bob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Granger (Northern) Indiana Posts: 1,520	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks OK, you've convinced me. Just real odd Ford would switch to a pcv on the soon-to-be out of production 292" Y-block, along with the FE (and maybe others) in '61/'62, but would use the road draft on a brand new engine family all the way to '65.

03-19-2018, 10:10 AM	#15
V8 Bob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Granger (Northern) Indiana Posts: 1,520	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Thanks KULTULZ. Interesting read.

03-19-2018, 05:00 PM	#16
junkyardjeff Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: dayton Ohio Posts: 243	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks I think the next time I am there I will grab that road draft tube and valve covers,do not know if I would ever use the tube but who knows what will happen.

03-19-2018, 05:56 PM	#18
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,475	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Correct. the intake was cast to accept either system. Is this engine a 2V or 4V? I would show you a photo of a period SHELBY TIGER ALUM 4V intake but your heart may not be able to take it... __________________ *** - WHY IS IT ... - ... that everything you buy in the grocery store is either wrapped in or contained in plastic but the government doesn't want you to carry it out in a plastic bag? WONDERING IN W(BY GOD)V ... DIAGNOSED CDO** - (OCD In Correct Alphabetical Order)

03-19-2018, 08:12 PM	#19
junkyardjeff Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: dayton Ohio Posts: 243	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks It came from a 2 bbl motor.

03-19-2018, 08:46 PM	#20
estout81 BANNED Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Utica, Ohio Posts: 522	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks The 5.0 EFI had the PCV in about the same place on the manifold.

04-11-2018, 07:15 AM	#26
junkyardjeff Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: dayton Ohio Posts: 243	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) It looks like I will have to go back and get that filter and retainer.

04-11-2018, 08:32 AM	#27
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,475	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Yeah, that is the actual oil/vapor separator and is necessary. It is replaced on a scheduled basis. C2OZ 6A631-A - FA-58 Gasket PN- C2OZ 6870-A (FEL-PRO should have it) Valve PN- C1AZ 6A666-A __________________ *** - WHY IS IT ... - ... that everything you buy in the grocery store is either wrapped in or contained in plastic but the government doesn't want you to carry it out in a plastic bag? WONDERING IN W(BY GOD)V ... DIAGNOSED CDO** - (OCD In Correct Alphabetical Order)

11-27-2020, 12:59 AM	#28
PetesPonies Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 316	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks Road draft was absolutely used in the 1965 model year. Absolutely. __________________ Pete's Ponies Mustang RUSToration & Performance

11-27-2020, 09:09 PM	#29
junkyardjeff Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: dayton Ohio Posts: 243	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks When and if this all goes togather I have a 66 4 bbl intake that has the provision and the three threaded holes for that PCV system but the larger hole is not drilled so it will have to be machined.

11-27-2020, 11:15 PM	#30
PetesPonies Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 316	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks They were delivered different ways. Some had a plug in the hole. Some had nothing but a flat place where it went. Some had the threaded holes for fasteners, but no opening for the gases. __________________ Pete's Ponies Mustang RUSToration & Performance

11-28-2020, 02:19 PM	#33
junkyardjeff Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: dayton Ohio Posts: 243	Re: PCV systems on the smallblocks The PCV on the EFI is a pain to get to.