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dean from bozeman · 11-03-2012, 04:46 AM

A local Model A'er sent 4 wheels to get powder coated and two came back cracked. I sold him two very nice wheels and one came back cracked.

Now it could be that the three wheels had minute cracks that weren't noticed before being sent to the powder coated. However, could it be that the heat used in the curing process stresses the wheels and causes the cracks?

Has anyone else had a similar problem? Is it common for a high number of wheels to reveal/develop cracks during the powder coating process?

Thanks for your answers in advance.

Dean

James Rogers · 11-03-2012, 06:13 AM

Dean, the wheels were probably cracked before the powder coating process. When the powder goes on, it is dust and covers everything that is not masked, hiding cracks that may be seen or not with the naked eye. When the powder coat is heated it draws tight and the metal expands so, any gap, no matter how small will show. The only way to insure no cracks would be to have the wheels magna-fluxed before the process.

Buddy P. · 11-03-2012, 06:34 AM

I too had one returned to me cracked....after sand blasting.A crack I hadn't seen because of paint and dirt.It hadn't gotten to the powder
coat process.It otherwise looked like a good wheel,so close inspection
is warranted.
Bud

2manycars · 11-03-2012, 06:51 AM

Cracked wheels can be repaired. they usually crack in the hub area, where the short spokes attach. That area is a deep draw of thick metal, and is under considerable stress. The only other part I can recall that is similar is the brake drum, and that has a rolled lip which seems to prevent the cracks.
The crack must be ground out in a V shape on BOTH sides, and welded from both sides, to insure complete penetration of weld. Heating the weld area after welding and allowing it to cool slowly will help prevent re cracking.

P.S. · 11-03-2012, 07:26 AM

How big of a deal is it if your wheel has a crack in the short spoke area of the hub? It the wheel going to fly apart someday? Could he just drive on it and be safe?

deuce5wndw · 11-03-2012, 07:47 AM

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Dean, my son in law does powder coating and the oven is set for 400 degrees and that would not be hot enough to crack the wheels. I think the wheels had unseen cracks before.
Dale.

Benson · 11-03-2012, 07:54 AM

Maybe you are getting back someone else's cracked wheels, not the ones that you gave to powder coater!

denis4x4 · 11-03-2012, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Benson

Maybe you are getting back someone else's cracked wheels, not the ones that you gave to powder coater!

That's highly unlikely.

oldguy41 · 11-03-2012, 11:07 AM

Sent eight wheels to powder coater, just to get five good ones, the blast process is very hard, it shot holes in two hubs and one rim. Weak metal is hard to spot when there is paint, rust and other junk. The vender saw the weak area after blasting and stopped. I did get back five very good wheels.

gibby · 11-03-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by denis4x4

That's highly unlikely.

I send 10 wheels off to our coater, 5-19" 5-16". they called and said they were ready. When i picked them up i now had 20 19" wheels. I was told that was what i had brought in. After a short heated conversation, i asked if anyone else had brought in "A" wheels. Well guess what, after a quick call to the other customer, he realized that what he had were my 16" wheels. Now my special order powder had to be reordered to recoat my wheels. All that aside, they did do a superb job with the powdercoat.

As far as the cracks go, in my opinion they were already there and masked by previous paint. One thing that i was impressed with was the prep work before powdercoat.They were placed in an oven to soften the previous paint and actually turned the paint to a dust, then they were blasted. I believe that this step helps keeps the blasting down to a minimum. One thing i did notice on one of my 16" wheels that i knew was a little pitted, if the pitting is not removed prior to coat, it's still going to be there after coating. Maybe the pitts could be taken care of with powdercoat primer and sanding but someone is still going to have an awful lot of sanding to do.

Tom Wesenberg · 11-03-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by P.S.

How big of a deal is it if your wheel has a crack in the short spoke area of the hub? It the wheel going to fly apart someday? Could he just drive on it and be safe?

I have a cracked wheel in the hub area that I've been running for years. The crack hasn't grown. Some day I'll weld it.

Dale G. · 11-03-2012, 05:09 PM

As a suggestion, as I do, take your wheels to the powder coater an let him sandblast them. Pick them up and inspect them for cracks and bent spokes. Straighten the spokes, fill the pits, and if any cracks in the hub, weld the cracks on the inside. On 21 inch wheels, sometimes rust holes show up in the beads or outside edges. Make those repairs. After all that is done, then take them back to the powder coater for color. If they surface rust a little before you get them back, that will be okay because he can gently blast them again them color. You will then have some very nice wheels.

11-03-2012, 04:46 AM	#1
dean from bozeman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bozeman, Montana Posts: 997	Powder Coating and Cracked Wheels A local Model A'er sent 4 wheels to get powder coated and two came back cracked. I sold him two very nice wheels and one came back cracked. Now it could be that the three wheels had minute cracks that weren't noticed before being sent to the powder coated. However, could it be that the heat used in the curing process stresses the wheels and causes the cracks? Has anyone else had a similar problem? Is it common for a high number of wheels to reveal/develop cracks during the powder coating process? Thanks for your answers in advance. Dean

11-03-2012, 06:13 AM	#2
James Rogers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Asheville,NC Posts: 3,104	Re: Powder Coating and Cracked Wheels Dean, the wheels were probably cracked before the powder coating process. When the powder goes on, it is dust and covers everything that is not masked, hiding cracks that may be seen or not with the naked eye. When the powder coat is heated it draws tight and the metal expands so, any gap, no matter how small will show. The only way to insure no cracks would be to have the wheels magna-fluxed before the process. __________________ http://www.model-a-ford-4bangers.com/

11-03-2012, 06:34 AM	#3
Buddy P. Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Virginias Shenandoah Posts: 21	Re: Powder Coating and Cracked Wheels I too had one returned to me cracked....after sand blasting.A crack I hadn't seen because of paint and dirt.It hadn't gotten to the powder coat process.It otherwise looked like a good wheel,so close inspection is warranted. Bud

11-03-2012, 06:51 AM	#4
2manycars Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eastern CT Posts: 2,732	Re: Powder Coating and Cracked Wheels Cracked wheels can be repaired. they usually crack in the hub area, where the short spokes attach. That area is a deep draw of thick metal, and is under considerable stress. The only other part I can recall that is similar is the brake drum, and that has a rolled lip which seems to prevent the cracks. The crack must be ground out in a V shape on BOTH sides, and welded from both sides, to insure complete penetration of weld. Heating the weld area after welding and allowing it to cool slowly will help prevent re cracking.

11-03-2012, 07:26 AM	#5
P.S. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: California Posts: 1,696	Re: Powder Coating and Cracked Wheels How big of a deal is it if your wheel has a crack in the short spoke area of the hub? It the wheel going to fly apart someday? Could he just drive on it and be safe?

11-03-2012, 07:47 AM	#6
deuce5wndw Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Liberty, KY Posts: 901	Re: Powder Coating and Cracked Wheels Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Dean, my son in law does powder coating and the oven is set for 400 degrees and that would not be hot enough to crack the wheels. I think the wheels had unseen cracks before. Dale.

11-03-2012, 07:54 AM	#7
Benson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,597	Re: Powder Coating and Cracked Wheels Maybe you are getting back someone else's cracked wheels, not the ones that you gave to powder coater!

11-03-2012, 11:07 AM	#9
oldguy41 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Holly, Michigan Posts: 30	Re: Powder Coating and Cracked Wheels Sent eight wheels to powder coater, just to get five good ones, the blast process is very hard, it shot holes in two hubs and one rim. Weak metal is hard to spot when there is paint, rust and other junk. The vender saw the weak area after blasting and stopped. I did get back five very good wheels.

11-03-2012, 05:09 PM	#12
Dale G. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 292	Re: Powder Coating and Cracked Wheels As a suggestion, as I do, take your wheels to the powder coater an let him sandblast them. Pick them up and inspect them for cracks and bent spokes. Straighten the spokes, fill the pits, and if any cracks in the hub, weld the cracks on the inside. On 21 inch wheels, sometimes rust holes show up in the beads or outside edges. Make those repairs. After all that is done, then take them back to the powder coater for color. If they surface rust a little before you get them back, that will be okay because he can gently blast them again them color. You will then have some very nice wheels.