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09-13-2018, 02:51 PM | #1 |
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Ford/Champion spark plugs
Have done several searches here and understand that the Ford/Champion plugs are thought to be replacement plugs but would they lose points if the vehicle was being judged?
The reason I ask is that I have located some of the Ford/Champion H9 Comm plugs, part number 01T 12405. These would be installed into a 1942 Ford Commercial with 29A 100 hp. |
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Having served as both a judge and a deputy judge (numerous times) I would not deduct for FORD plugs. Why? Well, no one knows for certain if these were factory installed or service parts. How could I possibly defend one position or the other if I simply don't know which position is correct? I would deduct if they are five rib plugs.
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09-13-2018, 04:36 PM | #4 |
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Re: Ford/Champion spark plugs
Thanks Kube, for your reply. The plugs that I have located are the 2 rib type.
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09-13-2018, 05:09 PM | #5 |
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With similar to Mike's judging experience, I also would not deduct points for plugs with Ford on the insulator as long as the rest of the plug was correct for vintage of the application. My rationale would be the same as Mike's.
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And, I disagree with you about "close to original"... this ain't horse shoes. If it is wrong, well, it's wrong. "Close" is simply another word for "wrong".
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09-13-2018, 07:29 PM | #8 |
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Re: Ford/Champion spark plugs
Alan I am not sure I understand. The Ford parts manuals that I have list the H9 comm plugs for all the Commercials 1938 thru 1947, 90 and 100 hp with Ford part number listed as 01T 12405.
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As a side note: One thing you MUST keep in mind is that parts books are NOT a good source for restoration reference. These books listed parts that were meant to fit and function with little to zero consideration of what we now term "concourse correct". I wish I had a dollar for each time an owner attempted to defend a part on his restoration as being correct as it was listed in a parts book. Even more laughable (sad) are the folks that insist it is correct because that's the way it's listed in a (example) Drake catalog.
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Re: Ford/Champion spark plugs
Mike, I didn't intend for my response to Alan to be in any way negative, just didn't understand the response. With all questions I have ever ask on the Ford Barn Alan has been very informative.
Thanks for you response to my spark plug question as I have not purchased the plugs yet and needed to know the opinion on how they would be judged. |
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Good grief! Why all the nitpicking over a wear item like a spark plug??
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Those that choose to do so must pay special attention to the MANY fine details of absolute correctness. This is precisely why there are very few (true) #1 cars in existence. From my personal experience, it is those fine details that are both frustrating and VERY satisfying to achieve.
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Alan, I enjoy the sparring with you. You've taught me a lot through the years my friend. I hope you'll keep it up!
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What about the cars that have ethanol gasoline or gas with out the lead?
Henry never built a car and shipped it out without the correct gas... Forget the spark plug numbers. |
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The original plugs perform well with modern gasoline, with or without ethanol.
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Next, what about fluids? It's not a correct restoration if the car has modern engine oil, gear oil or brake fluid! Or modern grease in the wheel bearings, or steering box. Last edited by 40 Deluxe; 09-14-2018 at 10:05 AM. |
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