The Ford Barn

GB SISSON · 03-31-2023, 10:37 AM

Having never participated in a car show, I have displayed antique tractors and stationary engines at a large 4 day meet at Lynden Wa for 36 years. At this type of show anyone who displays receives the same ribbon. It does not matter if you showed up with six pristine John Deeres, or you are an eight year old kid who painted your grand dad's old riding lawn mower with a brush. Finances are out of the equation.

slowforty · 04-01-2023, 01:35 PM

Judging is judging. Depends on the Judge.$500 spark plugs do not live in my neighborhood. At my age i find other things to obsess about. Everyone has a right to their own opinion

28fordroadster · 05-02-2023, 09:17 PM

What is a set of these plugs worth? I might have seen a set in a parts haul that I picked up

Bored&Stroked · 05-02-2023, 09:28 PM

Now I know some of you guys are going to disapprove of my following babble, but it seems ridiculous that "consumables" should be such a big deal. To the point that guys have to swap out spark plugs, fanbelts and other such things.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the car or the restoration, so it makes little sense to me. Something that should cost less than $40 (regular plugs), folks have to pay $500 for - just to put them in for judging . . . just to take them back out.

Given all the costs and time involved in restoring a vintage Ford to even qualify for Dearborn judging, it shouldn't come down to fanbelts and spark plugs.

There I said it . . . roast away boys, roast away . . .

Pete · 05-02-2023, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Now I know some of you guys are going to disapprove of my following babble, but it seems ridiculous that "consumables" should be such a big deal. To the point that guys have to swap out spark plugs, fanbelts and other such things.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the car or the restoration, so it makes little sense to me. Something that should cost less than $40 (regular plugs), folks have to pay $500 for - just to put them in for judging . . . just to take them back out.

Given all the costs and time involved in restoring a vintage Ford to even qualify for Dearborn judging, it shouldn't come down to fanbelts and spark plugs.

There I said it . . . roast away boys, roast away . . .

No one ever considers putting 1930's air in the tires. Minus 10 points for that.

Kube · 05-03-2023, 07:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Now I know some of you guys are going to disapprove of my following babble, but it seems ridiculous that "consumables" should be such a big deal. To the point that guys have to swap out spark plugs, fanbelts and other such things.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the car or the restoration, so it makes little sense to me. Something that should cost less than $40 (regular plugs), folks have to pay $500 for - just to put them in for judging . . . just to take them back out.

Given all the costs and time involved in restoring a vintage Ford to even qualify for Dearborn judging, it shouldn't come down to fanbelts and spark plugs.

There I said it . . . roast away boys, roast away . . .

I think, with respect, that you and a few others are missing the main point here.
The main point?
The published rules of the judging by the Early Ford V8 Club of America.
The car must be restored to how it left the factory.

Purchasing a set of $500 spark plugs may seem ridiculous to you and others. Purchasing an $80,000 new pickup truck seems insane to me.
It's all about choices.

It is NOT about reinventing the rules just so a guy can say he won.
Don't like the way the game is played? Don't play.
However (another choice here...) if you do choose to play, don't attempt to change the rules.

Bored&Stroked · 05-03-2023, 08:16 AM

Most rules change over time. As long as they are clear and everybody is playing by the same set, then it is cool with me.

But, if one doesn't question some of the rules and try to improve a situation, then progress is rarely made on anything.

I don't play in the Dearborn world - and the thought of having to search all over heck and gone for H-10 coke bottle plugs that I only install for shows (just to be competitive) is a bit much for me. But - that is my opinion and nothing more . . . LOL

Kube · 05-03-2023, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Most rules change over time. As long as they are clear and everybody is playing by the same set, then it is cool with me.

But, if one doesn't question some of the rules and try to improve a situation, then progress is rarely made on anything.

I don't play in the Dearborn world - and the thought of having to search all over heck and gone for H-10 coke bottle plugs that I only install for shows (just to be competitive) is a bit much for me. But - that is my opinion and nothing more . . . LOL

There are classes for those that don't want to be point judged.
I'm not a fan of "watering down" the rules so everyone "wins". What do they "win" when the rules have been relaxed? That's called an attendance award.

By the way, I leave the plugs (and everything else) on the car permanently.
In fact, my '36 roadster, a former very high point car, gets driven with a set of concourse correct plugs.

deuce5wndw · 05-03-2023, 08:49 AM

Picked these up over the weekend. Some corrosion on the brass but should clean off nice. PM me if interested.

1952henry · 05-03-2023, 08:57 AM

All of this mention of coke makes me want a coke and bourbon. Well the bourbon, I’ll pass on the coke.

51504bat · 05-03-2023, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Now I know some of you guys are going to disapprove of my following babble, but it seems ridiculous that "consumables" should be such a big deal. To the point that guys have to swap out spark plugs, fanbelts and other such things.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the car or the restoration, so it makes little sense to me. Something that should cost less than $40 (regular plugs), folks have to pay $500 for - just to put them in for judging . . . just to take them back out.

Given all the costs and time involved in restoring a vintage Ford to even qualify for Dearborn judging, it shouldn't come down to fanbelts and spark plugs.

There I said it . . . roast away boys, roast away . . .

No roast from me. Just a well said. But then my '39 p/u has a Studebaker bed on it so originality isn't high on my importance scale. But the rules are the rules. If you don't like them fire up your old Ford and drive somewhere else. Or worse yet, buy a Corvette and worry about if the wheel weights are factory correct.

ford38v8 · 05-03-2023, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kube

I think, with respect, that you and a few others are missing the main point here.
The main point?
The published rules of the judging by the Early Ford V8 Club of America.
The car must be restored to how it left the factory.

Purchasing a set of $500 spark plugs may seem ridiculous to you and others. Purchasing an $80,000 new pickup truck seems insane to me.
It's all about choices.

It is NOT about reinventing the rules just so a guy can say he won.
Don't like the way the game is played? Don't play.
However (another choice here...) if you do choose to play, don't attempt to change the rules.

Mike, I really like what you said here. There is no competition between participants, everyone can receive a Dearborn or no one can receive one. Entrants are working within the rules, not in competition with each other.

Kube · 05-03-2023, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ford38v8

Mike, I really like what you said here. There is no competition between participants, everyone can receive a Dearborn or no one can receive one. Entrants are working within the rules, not in competition with each other.

Thanks for the kind words Alan

Bored&Stroked · 05-03-2023, 01:28 PM

I knew a roasting was about to ensue as I was making a known controversial statement. Different folks have different opinions and I certainly have no disrespect for those who take exception to mine (or I wouldn't have posted it).

The rules should never be different from one competitor to the next and a change in an area like this doesn't suddenly create more "winners". I'm sure all those who build cars to compete in this category know the rules and build as such.

I just wish I had a couple cases of H-10 Coke Bottles to sell.

deuce5wndw · 05-04-2023, 09:28 AM

How about for the truck guys H-9 com?

Karl Wescott · 05-04-2023, 01:40 PM

To me (with a "hot rodder" mindset but desires a highly accurate baseline from which to deviate) there are some basic incompatibilities between a car that is to be driven vs one which is to "be put on a pedestal". Items that are not "consumable" should always be "factory correct" for a vehicle being judged as "factory correct". Items that are "consumable" and are inherently unsafe due to age and/or irreplaceable due to an absence of acceptable reproductions should be allowed to be changed out between the driving phase and "factory correct" judging phase. What I would recommend is full disclosure. If you are going to swap out your NOS but unsafe original Firestones, your NOS but fragile fan belts or what have you, then display and declare them at the time of both the operational check (with what is "incorrect" but operational installed on the car) and at the time of the concourse judging (with the parts that have been removed... and an explanation why).

Above all, try to have fun pride and enjoyment in owning, operating, displaying and judging these vehicles... and be compassionate enough to others who may have differing values to originality so they also will continue to have fun, pride, and enjoyment in their vehicle and when judging.

Roger/Sacramento · 05-04-2023, 03:12 PM

If the vehicle is to be correct as it was driven from the factory......FUEL , OIL, WATER , GREASE comes to mind.

Bored&Stroked · 05-04-2023, 07:59 PM

Hey Karl - nice summary . . . I think you captured the broader context well.

tubman · 05-04-2023, 08:45 PM

"Sly and the Family Stone" had it right : "Diff'rent Strokes for for Diff'rent Folks"

.

OK I have to admit it; I have a few wrong wheel weights on my Corvette (I think there is an incorrect tire valve cap as well.)

I hope "Coopman" doesn't see this; there is a chance that he thinks I'm a "matching numbers geek".

03-31-2023, 10:37 AM	#21
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,942	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs Having never participated in a car show, I have displayed antique tractors and stationary engines at a large 4 day meet at Lynden Wa for 36 years. At this type of show anyone who displays receives the same ribbon. It does not matter if you showed up with six pristine John Deeres, or you are an eight year old kid who painted your grand dad's old riding lawn mower with a brush. Finances are out of the equation. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

04-01-2023, 01:35 PM	#22
slowforty Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tinley Park Ill Posts: 1,062	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs Judging is judging. Depends on the Judge.$500 spark plugs do not live in my neighborhood. At my age i find other things to obsess about. Everyone has a right to their own opinion

05-02-2023, 09:17 PM	#23
28fordroadster Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 93	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs What is a set of these plugs worth? I might have seen a set in a parts haul that I picked up

05-02-2023, 09:28 PM	#24
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs Now I know some of you guys are going to disapprove of my following babble, but it seems ridiculous that "consumables" should be such a big deal. To the point that guys have to swap out spark plugs, fanbelts and other such things. It has nothing to do with the quality of the car or the restoration, so it makes little sense to me. Something that should cost less than $40 (regular plugs), folks have to pay $500 for - just to put them in for judging . . . just to take them back out. Given all the costs and time involved in restoring a vintage Ford to even qualify for Dearborn judging, it shouldn't come down to fanbelts and spark plugs. There I said it . . . roast away boys, roast away . . .

05-03-2023, 08:16 AM	#27
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs Most rules change over time. As long as they are clear and everybody is playing by the same set, then it is cool with me. But, if one doesn't question some of the rules and try to improve a situation, then progress is rarely made on anything. I don't play in the Dearborn world - and the thought of having to search all over heck and gone for H-10 coke bottle plugs that I only install for shows (just to be competitive) is a bit much for me. But - that is my opinion and nothing more . . . LOL

05-03-2023, 08:57 AM	#30
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,621	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs All of this mention of coke makes me want a coke and bourbon. Well the bourbon, I’ll pass on the coke. __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.

05-03-2023, 01:28 PM	#34
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs I knew a roasting was about to ensue as I was making a known controversial statement. Different folks have different opinions and I certainly have no disrespect for those who take exception to mine (or I wouldn't have posted it). The rules should never be different from one competitor to the next and a change in an area like this doesn't suddenly create more "winners". I'm sure all those who build cars to compete in this category know the rules and build as such. I just wish I had a couple cases of H-10 Coke Bottles to sell.

05-04-2023, 01:40 PM	#36
Karl Wescott Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,289	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs To me (with a "hot rodder" mindset but desires a highly accurate baseline from which to deviate) there are some basic incompatibilities between a car that is to be driven vs one which is to "be put on a pedestal". Items that are not "consumable" should always be "factory correct" for a vehicle being judged as "factory correct". Items that are "consumable" and are inherently unsafe due to age and/or irreplaceable due to an absence of acceptable reproductions should be allowed to be changed out between the driving phase and "factory correct" judging phase. What I would recommend is full disclosure. If you are going to swap out your NOS but unsafe original Firestones, your NOS but fragile fan belts or what have you, then display and declare them at the time of both the operational check (with what is "incorrect" but operational installed on the car) and at the time of the concourse judging (with the parts that have been removed... and an explanation why). Above all, try to have fun pride and enjoyment in owning, operating, displaying and judging these vehicles... and be compassionate enough to others who may have differing values to originality so they also will continue to have fun, pride, and enjoyment in their vehicle and when judging.

05-04-2023, 03:12 PM	#37
Roger/Sacramento Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: PRINEVILLE, OR. Posts: 490	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs If the vehicle is to be correct as it was driven from the factory......FUEL , OIL, WATER , GREASE comes to mind. __________________ KIM KARDASHIAN ISN'T FLAT, BUT MY MOTOR IS..... http://s818.photobucket.com/home/roglehr/index

05-04-2023, 07:59 PM	#38
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs Hey Karl - nice summary . . . I think you captured the broader context well.

05-04-2023, 08:45 PM	#39
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,320	Re: Champion H10 coke bottle spark plugs "Sly and the Family Stone" had it right : "Diff'rent Strokes for for Diff'rent Folks". OK I have to admit it; I have a few wrong wheel weights on my Corvette (I think there is an incorrect tire valve cap as well.) I hope "Coopman" doesn't see this; there is a chance that he thinks I'm a "matching numbers geek".