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11-03-2013, 07:01 PM | #1 |
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engine side drip pans
At a recent show in Westchester NY, a 1930 Modal A sport coupe was without the side engine pans.
When I talked to the owner, he said that these were dealer options so therefore they were not needed to be on and when this car was judged, they never took points off for not having them. My question is...are they original equipment or a dealer item. Past threads have a lot of information but nobody says one way or the other. |
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11-03-2013, 07:10 PM | #3 |
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From the judging standards "All Model A Ford vehicles were equipped
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11-03-2013, 07:12 PM | #4 |
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I too have always thought they were original. There were many dealer installed options, but, not those. I guess I'll have to go look through the judging Standards, I have a feeling they will be in there though.
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11-03-2013, 07:13 PM | #5 |
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Re: engine side drip pans
according to the judging standards all Model a fords were equipped with engine splash pans. ( Area 1 Engine Compartment)
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These (engines pans) came on every Model A from the factory, and were never a dealer option. If you are not referring to said engine pans, please ignore.
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11-03-2013, 07:28 PM | #7 |
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yes...the curved pans that use the oil pan bolts and the frame for support. Both sides of the engine
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what kind of judging was this your usual local yocal shlock show?
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11-03-2013, 07:45 PM | #10 |
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Re: engine side drip pans
The factory installed 'Engine Pans' were installed on all Model A vehicles. These pans were deliberately installed to keep road debris and dust (remember, up until the mid-thirties, most all roads were dirt or gravel) from entering the engine compartment. And as importantly, working in conjunction with the fan and water-pump, they were designed to be an essential component to help keep the engine compartment cool, as well as helping with a solid electrical ground between the engine and the frame.
However, once the Model A began being serviced by the car's owner, rather than a Service Dealer (Ford or otherwise), these important shields, it was quickly discovered, were 'a pain in the but' to deal with while doing some maintenance work. It was much easier to work without them being in place. It was not long before the reasons for them being installed in the first place, was lost, and many 'shade tree mechanic' left them off. As more dirt and gravel roads began to be replaced by paved roads, the road debris and dust became less of an issue. However, the role of the Engine Pans continues to this day to be a useful part of cooling the engine. Additionally, the engine pans connect steel to steel making an additional Grounding surface which will help your electrical system in a number of ways. They are well-worth installing if you do not have them installed. Good reproductions are available for most years if you are not concerned about 'show' authenticity. The '28/'29 pans are different than the '30/'31 pans. Most Model A Parts Houses list them as being good universal generic for '28 thru '31. Both Bratton's and Snyder's work hard at getting their parts as close to authentic as possible in both quality and accuracy. They are a good place to start. If your are concerned with obtaining a specific year's original 'Ford Supplied' engine pans, try Bert's in Colorado - he has acres of original Ford-made cars and parts. Last edited by DougVieyra; 11-05-2013 at 03:00 PM. |
11-03-2013, 10:54 PM | #11 |
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11-04-2013, 09:53 AM | #12 |
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Were they painted or unpainted?
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11-04-2013, 11:24 AM | #13 |
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Painted Black. Bratton's catalog has them (page 45) as "Black Powder Coated . . . Baked onto pans". $75 for a pair. Good value and well worth the money.
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The engine side pans also help to provide an electrical return path for the engine electrical systm. The starter can draw many amps and needs all of the help that it can get for an electrical return path back to the battery.
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Thanks. The originals are on the car and I just cleaned up all the dents and rust. I just didn't know if they were just bare metal or painted. They will be shiny black by nightfall.
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11-04-2013, 01:15 PM | #16 |
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What do these pans look Like? Any one have a picture that would show them? I am new "Model A-er", but don't think I've ever seen any. Just became a owner this year and pretty sure my '29 doesn't have them.
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11-04-2013, 03:09 PM | #17 |
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Here you go.
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11-04-2013, 08:05 PM | #18 |
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They also direct the air flow across the Carb, instead of letting it escape out the bottom. Helps in preventing Vapor lock.
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I replaced the pans on both of my cars, and it's amazing how much the air flow through the engine compartment increased.
My 29 CCPU has a 4 blade fan, and even at idle, you can put your hand in front of the radiator and actually feel the suction of the air flow, as well as feeling a breeze flowing out through the vents on the sides of the hood. Yes, they can make it a little pesky to work on some bits and piece under the hood, but they are fairly easily removed and replaced for major engine work. Also, I live on a gravel road, so they STILL perform their original function of helping to keep dust and crud out of the engine room!
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Seems like they might also add a little rigidity to the front of the frame as well. They mount in 5 points, Continuing a bolted path from the fender, to the frame, through the Engine and to the other side. Sort of tying it all together.
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They are a whole bunch easier to deal with if you tap the holes in the frame and use "hex head cap screws" to fasten them in rather than the bolt/nut configuration that was originally used. I tap them the same as the pan bolts and then don't have to look for anything different when installing them.
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11-05-2013, 03:40 PM | #24 |
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Picture of them installed...?
I see a lot of real estate under my roadster, so I guessing I don't have them... Thanks in advance...
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I've got close to 2,000 miles on mine, hasn't come loose yet. I tapped them with coarse threads so as to match the pan bolts. I thought if necessary I could always put a nut on top, but so far haven't seen the need.
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