The Ford Barn

swo4rd · 09-05-2018, 04:03 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1930-Ford-M...p=mtr#viTabs_0

Such an incredible labor of love and intense study...Always sad to see a Henry restoration being on eBay....
Should go to Auburn.

ronn · 09-05-2018, 04:08 PM

AND A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT IT WONT EVEN GET A BID AT THAT PRICE.
couldnt redo it for that, but it is a coupe afterall, not an A 400 or 180.

Dick Steinkamp · 09-05-2018, 06:29 PM

A beautiful car, but the best way to find out how the market values the car, is to start with a low opening bid but put the reserve wherever you want it. It will bid to the amount the market values the car.

A one paragraph description and 10 pictures is not going to sell a $50,000 car...any car, let alone a Model A Coupe.

The "appraisal" means little to nothing. Appraisers know who their customer is

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The description says that it is Chicle Drab/Copra Drab. You could have fooled me.

jim galli · 09-05-2018, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Steinkamp

A one paragraph description and 10 pictures is not going to sell a $50,000 car...any car, let alone a Model A Coupe.

For 50 large they should hire a photographer.

oldsman41 · 09-06-2018, 09:14 AM

Not worth that kind of money.

BillEbob · 09-06-2018, 09:27 AM

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I wouldn't pay half that amount for ANY coupe!

IMHO

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 09-06-2018, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by oldsman41

Not worth that kind of money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillEbob

I wouldn't pay half that amount for ANY coupe!

IMHO

May I ask if either of you two have ever seen this car in person to make such a statement? Armchair appraisers offering unsolicited opinions is a huge detriment to this hobby as a whole.

FWIW, I have judged this vehicle several times beginning at the Dallas World Meet. As stated above, you likely could not 'restore' this car for that money. By that, I mean not just replace parts with crappy repro parts like most restorers do these days but actually return each & every component back to factory specifications for under the eBay price. The buyer for this vehicle will be the discriminating hobbyist that desires owning a quality vehicle that is in the top 10% of the Model-A Coupes out there.

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Jeff/Illinois · 09-06-2018, 10:41 AM

I dunno boys, E-Bay has 'Found something similar' check this baby out. And Cadillac powered to boot. Are we comparing apples to the proverbial,,,,, oranges,,,, here

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1930-Ford-M...94403#viTabs_0

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 09-06-2018, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Steinkamp

A beautiful car, but the best way to find out how the market values the car, is to start with a low opening bid but put the reserve wherever you want it. It will bid to the amount the market values the car.

A one paragraph description and 10 pictures is not going to sell a $50,000 car...any car, let alone a Model A Coupe.

The "appraisal" means little to nothing. Appraisers know who their customer is

.

The description says that it is Chicle Drab/Copra Drab. You could have fooled me.

Dick, much of what you are saying above is not 'real world' from my experiences, and I have brokered more than a couple of nice Model-As for more money than this auction price.

To begin with, Jay has passed away and they are trying to liquidate some of his assets. In this scenario, the ONLY thing the eBay format is doing is letting the world know this vehicle is available and for sale. Prospective buyers would not let eBay pictures influence their purchase decision for a vehicle at ½ that price, so it really is mute how nice the pictures are in this eBay listing because any serious buyer is going to jump onto a plane and fly to San Antonio for a first-hand evaluation.

Second, you must realize that many/most discriminating buyers never purchase a vehicle directly thru eBay. That price and money exchange is typically done directly with the Buyer & Seller negotiating face-to-face Therefore, the price would never be "bid up" to market value as you are suggesting. Again, please understand this vehicle is NOT an average Model-A Coupe that you see in the typical marketplace. Therefore value of a vehicle of this caliber is typically determined in/by other methods.

If someone asked me how to determine the value of this particular vehicle, I would begin by asking why they are seeking this particular vehicle. To most discriminating buyers, it is not about it being a rare vehicle or bodystyle, but more about some personal sentiment or attachment with the Buyer. Maybe a family member had a Coupe exactly like this one (-including the color) sometime in the past and they want to relive that memory by owning such an example.

The next thing I have noticed is there are some collectors who have very nice upscale (i.e.: expensive) car collections who also have some type of attachment to a Model-A, ...however these collectors are not interested in owning a 'run of the mill' amateur restoration on a vehicle loaded with reproduction parts just because it would be cheaper to purchase. They want the best, ...no matter if it is art in their home, their clothes, their daily driver automobiles, or other assets. The buyer of this vehicle will be such a person.

The next thing that establishes a value to the buyer is, -does this vehicle meet his desires or does he need to have one restored to his level of expectation to meet his goals? In many cases, it will cost more and will take 2-3 years to have a vehicle restored professionally, so for someone who wants a car of this caliber, this is likely the one for them. Also factoring in, is when was the last time you saw a Model-A Coupe of this restoration caliber for sale on the open market?? Better yet, show me one available today that is equal in quality to this Coupe. Realistically, I doubt you can give an example of one, so 'supply & demand' factor in to establishing a value too.

Finally, as far as fooling you with Copra & Chicle, this vehicle is accurate & authentic regarding the colors. The only detriment that I have with this particular vehicle is the paint is in BC/CC and not single-stage however MARC/MAFCA judges have used this vehicle's paint formula as the benchmark for others to compare to. Even I recently obtained the formula that was used on this Coupe from Jay's painter, and then obtained the formula from MARC Judge and paint guru Jim Brand, --and both paints were dead-on in color and hue comparing to each other. Additionally, I think this formula was the research results from the Ehrenhofer boys in their quest to replicate Copra & Chicle, so I can unequivocally say that it is correct.

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30 Closed Cab PU · 09-06-2018, 11:40 AM

Brent,

Being newer to the hobby, have often wondered why someone would pay that amount of money for an A. Seen them online, see a few sell on Mecum and other shows on cable - some sell for low money, an occasional one sells for prices like what is being asked for on this one on Ebay. Thanks for taking the time to write such a lengthy detailed response - very educational. Hopefully the family will get a good price, we will probably will never know what the purchase price is, most likely will be a private sale.

slammin · 09-06-2018, 12:27 PM

Of course the auction closed without a bid. For this quality car eBay is not the venue to use. However it does give you worldwide exposure. Post # 3 has the right idea, start lower maybe 10K with a reserve and see where it goes. Hemmings would be a much better site. While most individuals shopping for a Model A want to pay 10 cents on the dollar, I know there are those willing to pay the price for this coupe, you just have to find them, if you can afford the time it will take.

Dick Steinkamp · 09-06-2018, 03:16 PM

Brent,
I'm just a hobbiest, but I have built over 30 cars...both hot rods and stockers. I've sold all my cars through eBay or BaT. The part of the hobby I enjoy most is building the cars. I'm not a rich guy and I don't have tons of storage space, so I need to sell them soon after I finish them in order for the hobby to continue for me. I'm skilled enough (but hardly a pro) that I have always broken even on my cars and usually make a profit (excluding my labor of course). Two of my cars have been invited to the Grand National Roadster Show in Pomona, another went to a museum in Winnipeg. Here's a sampling...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/996911...57650980254655

I certainly believe you when you say this coupe is a very special car...but I can't tell that from the pictures and text. If I was in the market, but if I didn't know the car like you do, I doubt if I would follow up on this one. Nothing is really said or pictured that would justify the price.

I agree that eBay can give a car some excellent exposure that results in an after auction sale. This has happened to me several times. But my experience is that you have to do a far better job of showing off the car both in words and pictures than was done here in order to get those follow up calls.

Again, I'd start the car at $1,000 with a high reserve. I'd provide at least 20 pictures and a link to many more. I'd give a full description of the car, its history, the story of the restoration, the awards it has won, etc. When the auction ends, and the reserve isn't met, a potential buyer that has never seen or heard of this car would have enough information to follow up. I would also know post auction how the market values the car.

I also agree with you that if this car is to actually sell anywhere near $50k, that it would go to a rich guy that absolutely needed a 30 Coupe in this condition, with this color, and equipment. Finding those few people that qualify (or that one person) will not be easy. This eBay ad won't help any.

Here's an example of one of my eBay listings. A pretty unique car with a limited buyer pool. This car did not sell during the eBay auction but sold post auction to the high bidder for more than his final bid amount and about the same money as the 30 Coupe...

http://studeute.steinkamp.us/the-kar...r-is-for-sale/

Here's one of my BaT auctions. Another unique car and it sold during the auction...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-daimler-v8-250/

If you say this car is Copra/Chicle, then it is. This is how it shows in the eBay listing, however...

I don't know if it is the lighting, the camera, or what, but this isn't Copra/Chicle.

Based on your knowledge of this car, I'm sure it is beautiful. I hope it sells for what the seller feels it is worth. I'm only saying that this eBay listing did not help that process.

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 09-06-2018, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slammin

Of course the auction closed without a bid. For this quality car eBay is not the venue to use. However it does give you worldwide exposure. Post # 3 has the right idea, start lower maybe 10K with a reserve and see where it goes. Hemmings would be a much better site. While most individuals shopping for a Model A want to pay 10 cents on the dollar, I know there are those willing to pay the price for this coupe, you just have to find them, if you can afford the time it will take.

In my opinion, starting at $10k and seeing where it goes is the WORSE thing that can be done with this particular car. Why start at the same place as all the other 'junk' is starting at? Someone who is sincerely interested will make the effort to travel to Texas to inspect this car. Only that person can establish a value of what THAT car is worth to them. If the estate is seeking $60 and someone offers $30k, then the family can take that offer under advisement however IMO that eBay starting price generally will thwart off most wanna-be tire kickers. To the serious buyer, the auction starting price really means nothing.

Dick, let me just say that while your comments above definitely have merit, in my mind this Seller has done a decent job of documenting and validating that car is indeed a winning Fine-point car that has earned a Henry. As such, wouldn't/shouldn't someone assume this makes the vehicle credible enough to warrant a personal inspection if they were indeed serious about wanting to own a vehicle of this caliber? If so, then the eBay auction listing has done what the Seller likely intended it to do. As such, the listing was a success as it was.

Granted, like you mentioned, this car is not for most hobbyists however all it takes is one person (rich or not) that appreciates it for what it is and can consummate a successful sale. When you, I, or others here begin to give our unsolicited opinions in a public forum, ...no one really wins, and IMHO it is not good for the hobby. While I agree that the picture posted does not depict the true hue of Copra & Chicle, I believe you were fooled. Again, most serious buyers would understand this about computer images and would likely choose to view the car in person. If the Buyer had any concerns about the authenticity of the paint at that point, --or any other area, surely you would agree that would be between the Seller and Buyer.

I realize that no one here likely meant any harm to the seller, however maybe it was good to put it all on the table so that someone did not use some of the comments as gospel for them making their decisions either on this or another similar vehicle. All is good!!

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Dick Steinkamp · 09-06-2018, 06:08 PM

Thanks, Brent.

It takes a lot of work and talent to sell a car...and even more to get top dollar for a car. I believe the eBay listing didn't help any and may have turned off some potential buyers. I think the sellers would be far better off by contracting with a professional broker like yourself. Your record of selling high dollar Model As is what is needed in this situation.

Again, I'm sure it is a beautiful car and I hope the sellers get a price they are happy with.

dean from bozeman · 09-07-2018, 11:28 AM

Dick, you are an artist. Really enjoyed looking at your cars. Thanks for the links.

Agree with the points that you and Brent are making.

My take is that the family may have thought that only people active in the hobby would be interested in the car. Those folks would most probably know what winning "a Henry" means.

15 to 20 photos can give you a real good idea of what the car is about. Some of these dealerships, however, have 50 photos and many of them are similar.

Good to get these pointers because soon I will be putting a Leatherback and an "Odd Duck" up for sale.

Jeff/Illinois · 09-07-2018, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dean from bozeman

Dick, you are an artist. Really enjoyed looking at your cars. Thanks for the links.

I second that! Well done. The 'Stude Ute' was pretty clever!!

Someone once told me that E-Bay will come after you if you close a deal outside of their auction listing. How they could is beyond me, I guess they'd 'ban' you from listing again?? Is that just a wive's tale??

ronn · 09-07-2018, 01:16 PM

wives tale................

30 Closed Cab PU · 09-07-2018, 04:43 PM

Details would be in the agreement you mark as read when signing up, and when occasionally updated from Ebay. Not sure, I took the time to read it once, I believe that there was some info about this subject.

30 Closed Cab PU · 09-07-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 30 Closed Cab PU

Details would be in the agreement you mark as read when signing up, and when occasionally updated from Ebay. Not sure, I took the time to read it once, I believe that there was some info about this subject.

From their site in the Policies.

30 Closed Cab PU · 09-07-2018, 04:49 PM

Did not copy correctly, her you go.

We don't allow our members to:

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We sometimes monitor messages sent between members for fraud, abuse, spam, and other policy violations.
While we understand members may wish to keep communications private, if you contact members through channels other than eBay, we can't help if problems arise.

30 Closed Cab PU · 09-07-2018, 04:52 PM

And here is some more about what they may do.

Member-to-member contact policy overview

Members can send messages to each other through eBay. We encourage open communication between our members but we don't allow our members to use these options to send spam, offers to buy or sell off eBay, threats, profanity, or hate speech. We also don't allow members to offer, reference, or request email addresses, phone numbers or other contact information, physical addresses, web addresses, or links within eBay messaging systems (Best Offer, My Messages etc.). eBay may monitor messages sent through eBay and between users for fraud, abuse, spam, and other violations of eBay's policies.
Make sure you follow these guidelines. If you don't, you may be subject to a range of actions, including your messages being blocked, limits of your buying and selling privileges and suspension of your account.
Please remember that we don't have control over communication unless it takes place through eBay. Also, posts on eBay discussion boards - opens in new window or tab aren't covered by this policy. However, we do have a Community content policy.

30 Closed Cab PU · 09-07-2018, 05:01 PM

and finally in the user agreement, there is more info besides this.

If we believe you are violating the policy on Offers to buy or sell outside of eBay, you may be subject to a range of actions, including limits on your buying and selling privileges, restrictions on listings and account features, suspension of your account, application of fees, and recovery of expenses for policy monitoring and enforcement. If you are a seller and you offer or reference your contact information or ask a buyer for their contact information in the context of buying or selling outside of eBay, you may be liable to pay a final value fee applicable to that item, even if the item does not sell.

texas webb · 09-07-2018, 06:36 PM

I visited several times with Jay,buying parts and talking A's and other stories.
Great man and proud of the work done on that coupe.

ronn · 09-08-2018, 06:25 AM

ebay is looking for fast money- they have no interest in being your local police dept.

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 09-08-2018, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ronn

ebay is looking for fast money- they have no interest in being your local police dept.

Very true, ...and with a transaction with this amount of money, the Buyer is going to make a personal inspection first. At that time, if a sale is made the Seller just removes the listing. If eBay decides to ban the Seller, just like here, a new username is made and the banned person rejoins.

30 Closed Cab PU · 09-08-2018, 07:53 AM

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I wasn't saying there are not ways around this situation. Pointing out that ethically/legally you agreed not to do it. Do not know how they collect fees, perhaps paypal/credit card, which I suppose you can contest through Paypal and your credit card. Ebay also have has terms on requiring binding arbitration with the cost of their efforts also charged to the offender. I doubt Ebay rarely if ever goes after someone like that.

Dick Steinkamp · 09-08-2018, 10:31 AM

The Kustom Kart Hauler that I linked to earlier was listed on eBay but didn't meet reserve. Several weeks later I trailered it to the GoodGuys West Coast Nationals in Pleasanton, CA, where the guy that was the high bidder on eBay saw the car in person and bought it for my price. I don't think eBay's intent is to require that once a car is listed on eBay that it can only be sold on eBay (weeks, months, years later).

I have also sold cars after the eBay listing expired using their Second Chance Offer program.

eBay only gets paid for a vehicle listing IF the vehicle meets reserve and sells within their system. There is no listing fee (unless you want some of their bells and whistles to enhance your listing). This is unlike all other items for sale on eBay where there IS a listing fee in addition to the selling fee. Listing a car for sale on eBay with the intent of getting some free exposure is against their rules and somewhat unethical. It also won't usually work since eBay screens listings and communication using their message system for email addresses and phone numbers being exchanged.

ronn · 09-08-2018, 12:34 PM

Dick,
after listing 6 cars, there is a listing and selling fee.

Originally on the 1st 6, no listing fee, only a selling fee of about 125. After that, there is a listing and selling fee. about 50. to list. forget the selling fee...........

redmodelt · 09-08-2018, 05:05 PM

RE; Jay piercy's 30 coupe
While a few people know who he was, how many more don't?
Many did not and and do not know the cars or level of restoration and even at that, it's a coupe. Many of us would be happy to be able to pay $10,000 a piece of "junk" if we had the extra money.

Jeff/Illinois · 09-08-2018, 08:37 PM

ronn I have sold two antique cars on E-Bay and did pay a small fee I think it was about $50 each time (been a few years ago) but I was fine with that because the cars sold over my reserve, so I was happy. And the buyers were happy too so it worked out well.

I did contact a guy about a Shelby he had for sale years ago, I was making a deal to buy it from him, in a private e-mail and a phone call, E-Bay found out somehow, and we BOTH got a warning from them, a red flag and told that if we ever did that again we were out of the ball game. That kind of shocked me. Never did THAT again!!

Don Turley · 09-08-2018, 09:56 PM

Jay Pearcy's 1930 Coupe was the cover car on the January-February 2012 "Model A News" published by Model A Restorers Club. There is an article on pages 36-39 with many close-up photos taken by Ken Ehrenhofer.

As Jay stated in the article, it was a "true labor of love." He first showed the Coupe at the 2007 MARC Meet at Virginia Beach. He kept improving the car, showing it each and every year until he finally won the Henry Award. Others would have probably given up, but Jay was persistent until he finally reached his goal.

Jay first contacted me in 2006 through FordBarn, looking for tools for his tool kit. We became very good friends and spent many hours on telephone visits, as well as visits to each others homes, he in Texas and me in Georgia. I really miss those visits with Jay.

Jay's Coupe can never be sold for the amount of money and time that he invested in it. However, it will eventually find a new owner who will appreciate owning a quality Model A.

Friendships made through the car hobby are priceless.

tinman080 · 09-09-2018, 07:32 AM

This vehicle would take an absolutely REMARKABLE car to come close to equaling it in any respect.

ronn · 09-09-2018, 08:21 AM

interesting Jeff. I generally forward my email in parts and then if the seller is interested, we continue to speak.
Have never had what you are mentioning happen, but I dont keep correspondence on ebays site either.
I generally do this if a listing has run out and find most want to run their auction through from beg to end.

swo4rd · 05-18-2020, 02:08 PM

What was the final disposition for Jay's Coupe...

Tom Foster · 05-18-2020, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Steinkamp

Brent,
I'm just a hobbiest, but I have built over 30 cars...both hot rods and stockers. I've sold all my cars through eBay or BaT. The part of the hobby I enjoy most is building the cars. I'm not a rich guy and I don't have tons of storage space, so I need to sell them soon after I finish them in order for the hobby to continue for me. I'm skilled enough (but hardly a pro) that I have always broken even on my cars and usually make a profit (excluding my labor of course). Two of my cars have been invited to the Grand National Roadster Show in Pomona, another went to a museum in Winnipeg. Here's a sampling...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/996911...57650980254655

I certainly believe you when you say this coupe is a very special car...but I can't tell that from the pictures and text. If I was in the market, but if I didn't know the car like you do, I doubt if I would follow up on this one. Nothing is really said or pictured that would justify the price.

I agree that eBay can give a car some excellent exposure that results in an after auction sale. This has happened to me several times. But my experience is that you have to do a far better job of showing off the car both in words and pictures than was done here in order to get those follow up calls.

Again, I'd start the car at $1,000 with a high reserve. I'd provide at least 20 pictures and a link to many more. I'd give a full description of the car, its history, the story of the restoration, the awards it has won, etc. When the auction ends, and the reserve isn't met, a potential buyer that has never seen or heard of this car would have enough information to follow up. I would also know post auction how the market values the car.

I also agree with you that if this car is to actually sell anywhere near $50k, that it would go to a rich guy that absolutely needed a 30 Coupe in this condition, with this color, and equipment. Finding those few people that qualify (or that one person) will not be easy. This eBay ad won't help any.

Here's an example of one of my eBay listings. A pretty unique car with a limited buyer pool. This car did not sell during the eBay auction but sold post auction to the high bidder for more than his final bid amount and about the same money as the 30 Coupe...

http://studeute.steinkamp.us/the-kar...r-is-for-sale/

Here's one of my BaT auctions. Another unique car and it sold during the auction...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-daimler-v8-250/

If you say this car is Copra/Chicle, then it is. This is how it shows in the eBay listing, however...

I don't know if it is the lighting, the camera, or what, but this isn't Copra/Chicle.

Based on your knowledge of this car, I'm sure it is beautiful. I hope it sells for what the seller feels it is worth. I'm only saying that this eBay listing did not help that process.

I have ssen the car mang times and admired Jays persistence. I can certify that the appearance of the color in that picture is not a correct representation of the actual color. It looks like that picture has had a sepia tone added to it.
Trust me, it is Copra/Chicle. Mine's the same color but painted 55 years ago in a high school vocational auto shop.
Fearless

daren007 · 05-19-2020, 08:40 AM

Crappy???

Licensed to kill · 05-19-2020, 09:17 AM

At least at that price it won't be bought and hot rodded. I have no problem with hot rodding them, I have 3 but I do get bothered when I see a very nice looking rust free stock model A get bought up to be rodded. Ho rodding (IMO) is for the ones dragged out of the bush or some farmers field. Not theta it's any of by business what anyone does with their own car. It's not.

09-05-2018, 04:03 PM	#1
swo4rd Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Posts: 364	Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... https://www.ebay.com/itm/1930-Ford-M...p=mtr#viTabs_0 Such an incredible labor of love and intense study...Always sad to see a Henry restoration being on eBay.... Should go to Auburn.

09-05-2018, 04:08 PM	#2
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,789	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... AND A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT IT WONT EVEN GET A BID AT THAT PRICE. couldnt redo it for that, but it is a coupe afterall, not an A 400 or 180.

09-05-2018, 06:29 PM	#3
Dick Steinkamp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 1,163	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... A beautiful car, but the best way to find out how the market values the car, is to start with a low opening bid but put the reserve wherever you want it. It will bid to the amount the market values the car. A one paragraph description and 10 pictures is not going to sell a $50,000 car...any car, let alone a Model A Coupe. The "appraisal" means little to nothing. Appraisers know who their customer is . The description says that it is Chicle Drab/Copra Drab. You could have fooled me. __________________ All steel from pedal to wheel

09-06-2018, 09:14 AM	#5
oldsman41 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 157	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Not worth that kind of money.

09-06-2018, 09:27 AM	#6
BillEbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 162	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I wouldn't pay half that amount for ANY coupe! IMHO

09-06-2018, 10:41 AM	#8
Jeff/Illinois Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,789	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... I dunno boys, E-Bay has 'Found something similar' check this baby out. And Cadillac powered to boot. Are we comparing apples to the proverbial,,,,, oranges,,,, here https://www.ebay.com/itm/1930-Ford-M...94403#viTabs_0

09-06-2018, 11:40 AM	#10
30 Closed Cab PU Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,332	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Brent, Being newer to the hobby, have often wondered why someone would pay that amount of money for an A. Seen them online, see a few sell on Mecum and other shows on cable - some sell for low money, an occasional one sells for prices like what is being asked for on this one on Ebay. Thanks for taking the time to write such a lengthy detailed response - very educational. Hopefully the family will get a good price, we will probably will never know what the purchase price is, most likely will be a private sale.

09-06-2018, 12:27 PM	#11
slammin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Fruita, CO Posts: 281	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Of course the auction closed without a bid. For this quality car eBay is not the venue to use. However it does give you worldwide exposure. Post # 3 has the right idea, start lower maybe 10K with a reserve and see where it goes. Hemmings would be a much better site. While most individuals shopping for a Model A want to pay 10 cents on the dollar, I know there are those willing to pay the price for this coupe, you just have to find them, if you can afford the time it will take.

09-06-2018, 03:16 PM	#12
Dick Steinkamp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 1,163	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Brent, I'm just a hobbiest, but I have built over 30 cars...both hot rods and stockers. I've sold all my cars through eBay or BaT. The part of the hobby I enjoy most is building the cars. I'm not a rich guy and I don't have tons of storage space, so I need to sell them soon after I finish them in order for the hobby to continue for me. I'm skilled enough (but hardly a pro) that I have always broken even on my cars and usually make a profit (excluding my labor of course). Two of my cars have been invited to the Grand National Roadster Show in Pomona, another went to a museum in Winnipeg. Here's a sampling... https://www.flickr.com/photos/996911...57650980254655 I certainly believe you when you say this coupe is a very special car...but I can't tell that from the pictures and text. If I was in the market, but if I didn't know the car like you do, I doubt if I would follow up on this one. Nothing is really said or pictured that would justify the price. I agree that eBay can give a car some excellent exposure that results in an after auction sale. This has happened to me several times. But my experience is that you have to do a far better job of showing off the car both in words and pictures than was done here in order to get those follow up calls. Again, I'd start the car at $1,000 with a high reserve. I'd provide at least 20 pictures and a link to many more. I'd give a full description of the car, its history, the story of the restoration, the awards it has won, etc. When the auction ends, and the reserve isn't met, a potential buyer that has never seen or heard of this car would have enough information to follow up. I would also know post auction how the market values the car. I also agree with you that if this car is to actually sell anywhere near $50k, that it would go to a rich guy that absolutely needed a 30 Coupe in this condition, with this color, and equipment. Finding those few people that qualify (or that one person) will not be easy. This eBay ad won't help any. Here's an example of one of my eBay listings. A pretty unique car with a limited buyer pool. This car did not sell during the eBay auction but sold post auction to the high bidder for more than his final bid amount and about the same money as the 30 Coupe... http://studeute.steinkamp.us/the-kar...r-is-for-sale/ Here's one of my BaT auctions. Another unique car and it sold during the auction... https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-daimler-v8-250/ If you say this car is Copra/Chicle, then it is. This is how it shows in the eBay listing, however... I don't know if it is the lighting, the camera, or what, but this isn't Copra/Chicle. Based on your knowledge of this car, I'm sure it is beautiful. I hope it sells for what the seller feels it is worth. I'm only saying that this eBay listing did not help that process. __________________ All steel from pedal to wheel

09-06-2018, 06:08 PM	#14
Dick Steinkamp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 1,163	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Thanks, Brent. It takes a lot of work and talent to sell a car...and even more to get top dollar for a car. I believe the eBay listing didn't help any and may have turned off some potential buyers. I think the sellers would be far better off by contracting with a professional broker like yourself. Your record of selling high dollar Model As is what is needed in this situation. Again, I'm sure it is a beautiful car and I hope the sellers get a price they are happy with. __________________ All steel from pedal to wheel

09-07-2018, 11:28 AM	#15
dean from bozeman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bozeman, Montana Posts: 997	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Dick, you are an artist. Really enjoyed looking at your cars. Thanks for the links. Agree with the points that you and Brent are making. My take is that the family may have thought that only people active in the hobby would be interested in the car. Those folks would most probably know what winning "a Henry" means. 15 to 20 photos can give you a real good idea of what the car is about. Some of these dealerships, however, have 50 photos and many of them are similar. Good to get these pointers because soon I will be putting a Leatherback and an "Odd Duck" up for sale.

09-07-2018, 01:16 PM	#17
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,789	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... wives tale................

09-07-2018, 04:43 PM	#18
30 Closed Cab PU Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,332	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Details would be in the agreement you mark as read when signing up, and when occasionally updated from Ebay. Not sure, I took the time to read it once, I believe that there was some info about this subject.

09-07-2018, 04:49 PM	#20
30 Closed Cab PU Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,332	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Did not copy correctly, her you go. We don't allow our members to: Make offers to buy and sell outside of eBay Send spam Threaten others, or use profanity or hate speech Exchange email addresses, phone numbers or other contact information, web addresses or links To find out more about our policies related to member-to-member communications, please read our full policy guidelines below. Frequently Asked Questions Does eBay monitor members' messages? We sometimes monitor messages sent between members for fraud, abuse, spam, and other policy violations. While we understand members may wish to keep communications private, if you contact members through channels other than eBay, we can't help if problems arise.

09-07-2018, 04:52 PM	#21
30 Closed Cab PU Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,332	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... And here is some more about what they may do. Member-to-member contact policy overview Members can send messages to each other through eBay. We encourage open communication between our members but we don't allow our members to use these options to send spam, offers to buy or sell off eBay, threats, profanity, or hate speech. We also don't allow members to offer, reference, or request email addresses, phone numbers or other contact information, physical addresses, web addresses, or links within eBay messaging systems (Best Offer, My Messages etc.). eBay may monitor messages sent through eBay and between users for fraud, abuse, spam, and other violations of eBay's policies. Make sure you follow these guidelines. If you don't, you may be subject to a range of actions, including your messages being blocked, limits of your buying and selling privileges and suspension of your account. Please remember that we don't have control over communication unless it takes place through eBay. Also, posts on eBay discussion boards - opens in new window or tab aren't covered by this policy. However, we do have a Community content policy.

09-07-2018, 05:01 PM	#22
30 Closed Cab PU Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,332	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... and finally in the user agreement, there is more info besides this. If we believe you are violating the policy on Offers to buy or sell outside of eBay, you may be subject to a range of actions, including limits on your buying and selling privileges, restrictions on listings and account features, suspension of your account, application of fees, and recovery of expenses for policy monitoring and enforcement. If you are a seller and you offer or reference your contact information or ask a buyer for their contact information in the context of buying or selling outside of eBay, you may be liable to pay a final value fee applicable to that item, even if the item does not sell.

09-07-2018, 06:36 PM	#23
texas webb Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 636	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... I visited several times with Jay,buying parts and talking A's and other stories. Great man and proud of the work done on that coupe.

09-08-2018, 06:25 AM	#24
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,789	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... ebay is looking for fast money- they have no interest in being your local police dept.

09-08-2018, 07:53 AM	#26
30 Closed Cab PU Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,332	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I wasn't saying there are not ways around this situation. Pointing out that ethically/legally you agreed not to do it. Do not know how they collect fees, perhaps paypal/credit card, which I suppose you can contest through Paypal and your credit card. Ebay also have has terms on requiring binding arbitration with the cost of their efforts also charged to the offender. I doubt Ebay rarely if ever goes after someone like that.

09-08-2018, 10:31 AM	#27
Dick Steinkamp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 1,163	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... The Kustom Kart Hauler that I linked to earlier was listed on eBay but didn't meet reserve. Several weeks later I trailered it to the GoodGuys West Coast Nationals in Pleasanton, CA, where the guy that was the high bidder on eBay saw the car in person and bought it for my price. I don't think eBay's intent is to require that once a car is listed on eBay that it can only be sold on eBay (weeks, months, years later). I have also sold cars after the eBay listing expired using their Second Chance Offer program. eBay only gets paid for a vehicle listing IF the vehicle meets reserve and sells within their system. There is no listing fee (unless you want some of their bells and whistles to enhance your listing). This is unlike all other items for sale on eBay where there IS a listing fee in addition to the selling fee. Listing a car for sale on eBay with the intent of getting some free exposure is against their rules and somewhat unethical. It also won't usually work since eBay screens listings and communication using their message system for email addresses and phone numbers being exchanged. __________________ All steel from pedal to wheel

09-08-2018, 12:34 PM	#28
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,789	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Dick, after listing 6 cars, there is a listing and selling fee. Originally on the 1st 6, no listing fee, only a selling fee of about 125. After that, there is a listing and selling fee. about 50. to list. forget the selling fee...........

09-08-2018, 05:05 PM	#29
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,340	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... RE; Jay piercy's 30 coupe While a few people know who he was, how many more don't? Many did not and and do not know the cars or level of restoration and even at that, it's a coupe. Many of us would be happy to be able to pay $10,000 a piece of "junk" if we had the extra money. __________________ I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!

09-08-2018, 08:37 PM	#30
Jeff/Illinois Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,789	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... ronn I have sold two antique cars on E-Bay and did pay a small fee I think it was about $50 each time (been a few years ago) but I was fine with that because the cars sold over my reserve, so I was happy. And the buyers were happy too so it worked out well. I did contact a guy about a Shelby he had for sale years ago, I was making a deal to buy it from him, in a private e-mail and a phone call, E-Bay found out somehow, and we BOTH got a warning from them, a red flag and told that if we ever did that again we were out of the ball game. That kind of shocked me. Never did THAT again!!

09-08-2018, 09:56 PM	#31
Don Turley Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: GA 30809 Posts: 629	JAY PEARCY 1930 Coupe Jay Pearcy's 1930 Coupe was the cover car on the January-February 2012 "Model A News" published by Model A Restorers Club. There is an article on pages 36-39 with many close-up photos taken by Ken Ehrenhofer. As Jay stated in the article, it was a "true labor of love." He first showed the Coupe at the 2007 MARC Meet at Virginia Beach. He kept improving the car, showing it each and every year until he finally won the Henry Award. Others would have probably given up, but Jay was persistent until he finally reached his goal. Jay first contacted me in 2006 through FordBarn, looking for tools for his tool kit. We became very good friends and spent many hours on telephone visits, as well as visits to each others homes, he in Texas and me in Georgia. I really miss those visits with Jay. Jay's Coupe can never be sold for the amount of money and time that he invested in it. However, it will eventually find a new owner who will appreciate owning a quality Model A. Friendships made through the car hobby are priceless.

09-09-2018, 07:32 AM	#32
tinman080 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Forest, Virginia Posts: 250	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... This vehicle would take an absolutely REMARKABLE car to come close to equaling it in any respect. __________________ Just Passin' Thru.....Slowly!

09-09-2018, 08:21 AM	#33
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,789	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... interesting Jeff. I generally forward my email in parts and then if the seller is interested, we continue to speak. Have never had what you are mentioning happen, but I dont keep correspondence on ebays site either. I generally do this if a listing has run out and find most want to run their auction through from beg to end.

05-18-2020, 02:08 PM	#34
swo4rd Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Posts: 364	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... What was the final disposition for Jay's Coupe...

05-19-2020, 08:40 AM	#36
daren007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Saint Cloud Mn Posts: 745	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... Crappy???

05-19-2020, 09:17 AM	#37
Licensed to kill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Alberta Posts: 930	Re: Jay piercy's 30 coupe is on ebay... At least at that price it won't be bought and hot rodded. I have no problem with hot rodding them, I have 3 but I do get bothered when I see a very nice looking rust free stock model A get bought up to be rodded. Ho rodding (IMO) is for the ones dragged out of the bush or some farmers field. Not theta it's any of by business what anyone does with their own car. It's not.