Flathead engine stand mounting

[JWL]

Ross, thanks for saving those dimensions. I lost my stuff in the computer where I first worked them out so, if I save it again I won't have to work up the numbers, again. This, of course, falsely assumes there will not be another hard drive failure.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by scooder

Has anyone actually seen a flathead that snapped off at the bell housing?
I haven't, I would be amazed if they did break off.
Martin.

Yes, I have @ Hershey. Now that block was a 59AB with Ardun heads on it so it had a lot more weight hanging out front of it then a "standard" motor.

[s nichols]

i have 4 different engine stands-- they all work on a 8BA ???

[scooder]

Blimy, real first hand stuff. Like I said I've never seen it, seen lots of early ones hung off the bell, but not a broke one. I can see the leverage when hung thus, and am quite uncomfortable seeing it done.
The above is good enough for me not to do it, I'll heed the warning. Not that I use an engine stand, I use the floor, they can't fall off the floor. If I made one it would be like some I seen in the service bulletins. Supporting front and back, pivoting on a ring in front so you can fit the cam through the ring. The modern type ( the hang from the bell or off the exhaust ports) always feel wobbles to me. And you have to swap the engine around to port or clean up the exhaust ports.
Thanks for the answers.
Martin.
off to hijack another thread, but hopefully keeping it relevant.

[HCO41]

Originally Posted by Ross F-1

I think what you meant to ask was the location of the Center of Gravity? The centerline of the crankshaft is shown in my drawing. Just seat of my pants, I'd put the centerline of the pivot halfway between the pan surface and the intake deck.

I positioned pivot as you suggested and engine turned easily with no out of balance issues. Thanks Ross.
Howard

[JSeery]

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My current block has a repaired broken bellhousing because it was hung on an engine mount! Seems like a really poor idea to me, the metal is very thin in the bellhousing area and nothing like mounting a modern block. There is both the thickness of the metal and the leverage of the block bellhousing combo. Don't think I would attempt to mount a modern block off of a bellhousing ether as far as that goes, a lot of weight and a lot of leverage! Maybe you can get away with it most of the time, but to me a flathead block is worth too much to take the chance, mine get mounted on the side using the exhaust ports.

[49r]

I have a complete 47 motor hanging from its bell housing but supported at the front by a block of wood between the bottom of the sump and the stand.

[big job]

Originally Posted by 49r

I have a complete 47 motor hanging from its bell housing but supported at the front by a block of wood between the bottom of the sump and the stand.

Yes all our stands in the shop we have added a front support. Just a
simple pipe with a 5/8 threaded rod - take up nut & washer short piece
of angle iron welded on top of the threaded rod. If worried about a
flathead, just see what happens with a 460 or bad a ass 430 Lincoln. The
support is a must. Those stands droop like spegetti.. 2x4 also good enough. And no broken housings because we use a full plate on the
block. sam

[BILL WZOREK]

Mounting a flathead off the end is like having sex with out protection,
You have those that say I have been doing it that way for all my life with no problems!!!
Then on the other side you have those thay say to the judge HONEST I only looked at her with no clothes on.
Why do I have to pay Child support???
But in both cases sooner or later you !!! WILL PAY !!! LOL/LOL

[avrotom]

I too was uncomfortable with mounting my '40 engine on its bell housing so I made up a neet adapter that allows mounting on the exhaust pads and gives me access to the entire engine. I will try and post a picture.

[LSJUNIPER]

I modified my stand to hold the flathead from the exhaust ports..


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[Old Ford Addict]

I wounder whats been keeping all these 32 to 48 motors from breaking in half and falling out for all these years?

[19Fordy]

Luck.

[JM 35 Sedan]

To me it's like knowing that jumping off a high cliff, or getting under the tallest tree you can find during a violent thunder storm, fully well knowing that these actions can be hazardous to your health even though some have done these things and lived to tell about it. Why gamble on a reported unsafe practice if there are known safer alternatives??

[Ronnie]

Get Walt to post a picture of his stand.I know it works well and bolts to the bell housing.

R

[Old Ford Addict]

Originally Posted by JM 35 Sedan

To me it's like knowing that jumping off a high cliff, or getting under the tallest tree you can find during a violent thunder storm, fully well knowing that these actions can be hazardous to your health even though some have done these things and lived to tell about it. Why gamble on a reported unsafe practice if there are known safer alternatives??

It’s a mith
Sure if you jump up and down on it something may happen, but you where asking for it.
I’ve worked on dozens (hung off the “bell”) with no disasters.

[scooder]

How can it be a myth, if it actually happens? As I stated earlier, I have never seen it, that's why I asked. And folk have answered with actual examples. I'm fully aware that their are many many hung off the bell and have been for years, with no breakedges, but some have broke off. That's good enough for me, not to take that chance.
Martin.

[Mart]

I made a plate that picks up on the exhaust flange bolts, but it is made to fit one side only and uses all 6 bolts. I was worrying about it when I did use it on the other side and could only put 4 bolts in.

I see that the original Ford (KRW) stands use the exhaust bolts and only 4 of em so I suppose that's the way to go.

People have reported problems with hanging off the bell, no-one has reported problems with using 4 exhaust bolts and that is what Ford used, so that's good enough for me.

If you hang it off the bell and want to spin it upside down, how can you do that with a wooden prop at the front? It may be all right for one that is just on display, but for building up or tearing down it just won't work, unless the rear mount has a matching front mount that can pivot on exactly the same centres, and then it would have to be a well engineered piece to avoid getting in the way of fitting the cam or other parts.

Hanging off the exhausts is just so much easier, and a proven method.

Mart.

[BILL WZOREK]

He lives to say ~ I'VE DONE IT THIS WAY FOR YEARS ~
WHY CHANGE NOW

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[BILL WZOREK]

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When you mount your 59 A/B on your engine stand think about this quote by :

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