Clayborne engine overhaul stand attachments maybe available

[GaryU.]

A few weeks ago I bought an incomplete Clayborne stand in Illinois that was offered on C-list. The stand was originally equipped with attachments that were not for a Flathead V-8 so those mounts were cut off and new ones made to use on a Flathead sideways using the exhaust ports exactly 90 degrees from the intended axis and were very homemade. I've gotten rid of those pieces and will be taking my stand and a block to a Machine and Welding Company nearby on Monday to have proper attachments made(I hope). After a phone conversation and e-mail with pictures they think could make everything including the ring at the front on the stand. I'm posting this for those that are looking for those attachments. I'm lucky that the ring I have will probably be used with new mounts welded on it but seeing as they will have everything there at once and others have been looking for these mounts I thought I should post this if anyone is interested in a possible replacement for mounts that are few and far between. Send a PM or E-mail and hopefully next week I'll have have more news to share. With a couple pics of mine I've included some extras that were posted on the Jalopy Journal on how to build your own stand from Car Craft magazine Feb. 1954

[39portlander]

That's a nice engine stand Gary and a great article to go with it. I hope to work on a Steven's engine stand for my T motors over the winter.

I can't help but notice those trombone and brass instrument cases behind your stand in the first pic, do you teach music there?

[alanwoodieman]

I acquired one of these stands, but have never used it, I am told it is easier than the kr wilson but would like some input on the subject from a user of this style stand

[GaryU.]

My main employment is repairing musical instruments for just over 30 years now but I tend to sneak in other projects from time to time. I found this type of stand very appealing the first time I saw one and after I got it showed It to a coworker who new what it was because he used one at the local garage he worked at back in 1955! He’s a Ford guy and loves the stuff I come up with.

[Mart]

One of the benefits is that you can arrange the deck face to be horizontal. This would be useful if you want to use a portable boring machine. Another benefit is that the engine is supported from both ends so the temptation to hang off just the bellhousing is gone. (Preventing potential breakage)

[deuce5wndw]

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Count me in!

[Kerk]

Have a couple of the stands But I would be interested in a set of the brackets for a Early Ford V8 engine. kerk

[GaryU.]

That's a great point Kerk. This project will be for pre '49 blocks, will know more late next week.

[Tim Ayers]

I'm in as well. Can make the stand no sweat. Need the brackets.

[Bored&Stroked]

I have the same/similar stand that you have - would love the correct brackets for a flathead. Are you thinking to making multiple sets (appears to be the case) - any idea as to associated parts/prices you're thinking of doing?

I will review what I have and post back on this thread. Be back in a bit . . .

[Ol' Ron]

Been using mine for over 60 years, the only modification I made was, bracket to hold up the block so the front adapter could be removed and the cam degreed in. I remember it was used when I got it.
Gramps

[Don Rogers]

Here are some photos of the attachments that you are going to make. I took these years ago when I had a stand only

[JSeery]

Not sure how much help this is, but here are some photos from Ford's Engine Reconditioning manual of the engine stands.

[deuce5wndw]

Great photos jseery! Cool that they are all on rails in the floor.

[KR500]

If you visit www.fordtoolcollector.org I have downloaded the complete Clayborne made engine stands and adapters. Pull down menu under Tool catalogs.

[GaryU.]

Here's a couple pics of a trade ad that I acquired recently.

[GaryU.]

Now as Paul Harvey used to say "The rest of the story". On Monday it will be 6 weeks since my stand and block were taken to a local machine shop that was highly recommended by 2 people. They have been in business for 50 years and do tons of work so even though some times for estimates and actual fabrication are long past due I'm remaining hopeful that eventually I'll get some answers. The biggest problem is the numbers, if I wanted 100 attachments made I would be on the top of the "to do" list but if it's like in this case maybe 10 or so attachments the priorities are much different. I'm very patient and am trying not to be one of those customers that call or email constantly even though that is very difficult to do but rest assured I'm still working on this. Thanks for people who expressed a need for these and an extra thank you for your patience. GaryU.

[deuce5wndw]

Thanks for the update Gary.

[Tim Ayers]

Yes, thank you. Looking forward to hearing how this progresses.

[Frank Miller]

If you had some good drawings and were not concerned about exact copies these could easily be made. I would just slice off a piece of the correct diameter pipe then take some 3/16 diameter wire and weld it to the edges bending it around as you do or you could preform it. Drill some holes for the stops and you have it. The difficult or really important part is getting the dimensions so when the brackets bolt up you have a straight axis through the cam. This is a very doable project.

[skidmarks]

Its not a common pipe size on the large end. Rolling a band is easier if you have the ability

[Frank Miller]

Looks to be about 6 inch. Looks like it does not have to be exact. Not sure if he just wants a f.unctioning stand or exact copy

[skidmarks]

If you want it to roll correctly, its got to be exact. And the cam gear has to pass through it.

I think its 7" or 7-1/4" from what i remember.

[alanwoodieman]

an adapter to an adapter, my first engine is in the stand.

[ETriggs]

If someone has the specs on this or a way to make them, let me know. I have 3 59ABs that I have to rebuild.

[deuce5wndw]

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any news?

[GaryU.]

Got a quote for getting 20 sets made up a few weeks ago. Cost would be $300.00 per set, asked about 30 or 40 sets and am waiting for that pricing. For 40 sets they thought $255.00 per set but that is not official. If there is enough interest for at least 20 sets I would be willing to get 40 made up thinking the rest would sell as well. Chime in if there is still interest in these given the cost involved and I'll keep pursuing this. GaryU

[KiWinUS]

Gary can you guess at size & weight to get a shipping estimate also. Thanks
Cheers
Tony

[Tim Ayers]

To be clear, you are just getting all the mounting stuff made. The angle iron stand will need to be made up by the user, correct?

[GaryU.]

If someone has a set to get approximate weight I would appreciate that as until they are constructed I have no idea as what they will weigh. Shipping would be done by myself as I have an unlimited supply of boxes etc. and a Fedex office less than a mile from my work. I also have an account there so shipping would be cost only.

[deuce5wndw]

I'm in for a set.

[GaryU.]

Tim, yes these prices are only for the adapters. The problem all comes down to constructing the large ring for the front adapter, if not for that they would be far less costly. Each ring would be made from stock and milled to basically original size and the material cost is the issue. One thing to consider is a catalog posted on Fordcollector.com shows that in 1967 the same adapters were selling for just over $100.00 so what would people be willing to pay for something that currently doesn't exist?

[KiWinUS]

Subject to pics of finished product. I’m in for a set.

[skidmarks]

Originally Posted by GaryU.

Tim, yes these prices are only for the adapters. The problem all comes down to constructing the large ring for the front adapter, if not for that they would be far less costly. Each ring would be made from stock and milled to basically original size and the material cost is the issue. One thing to consider is a catalog posted on Fordcollector.com shows that in 1967 the same adapters were selling for just over $100.00 so what would people be willing to pay for something that currently doesn't exist?

Are they starting with a piece of bar stock, then machining it to size?

[GaryU.]

As I understand it yes, starting from a solid piece of steel and machine to size. If this was not the procedure the price would be far less. As far as pics, my plan was to get the first made and post pictures and also the weight for shipping. A fellow Barn member recently contacted me because he is having the Clayborne data plates remade for his stands as well as extras. Look for those coming to the swap meet in the near future.

[skidmarks]

Cheaper to roll a band then wrap the edges with 3/8" square. Atleast thats the way im making mine. Simple enough to chuck it up in the lathe and true it up for those high speed rotations.

How were the original ones made ?

[V8COOPMAN]

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Man, that sure does look like something near 10" pipe to me. Cutting slices out of something like that would be easier than scratchin' yur butt, and I can only imagine Clayborne back in the day working on the "KISS" principle. Anyone with a real one have a diameter dimension? DD

[skidmarks]

Inside of the yoke is 7-1/2".

ID of the adapter has to be big enough for the cam gear to clear.

7" schedule 40 pipe is 7.625 OD / .301 wall. Schedule 80.is .500

I have a short piece of 7" schedule 40 and still think rolling a band out of 3/16" flat bar is easier. 7" pipe is not the easiest thing to find and i got just enough to make 2 of them. Flatbar is cheap and plentiful.

Turning one out of barstock seams like a lot of shop time for a slow shop. Unless they have something like a extra extra heavy wall pipe that can be turned to size fairly quickly

[flatheadrunners]

Still interested

[skidmarks]

Timing gear is roughly 6-5/8"
Roll a 7" ID ring out of 1/4" flatbar then true it up in a lathe i think would be more economical.

[JM 35 Sedan]

There was someone here on Fordbarn, or maybe it was on Facebook, who started a project of reproducing the Clayborne Engine Stand. There were a good number of people who signed up with their interest in buying one, including me, but I never heard anything back from him. Maybe someone else here can provide an update on this.

[34fivewindow]

Originally Posted by skidmarks

Timing gear is roughly 6-5/8"
Roll a 7" ID ring out of 1/4" flatbar then true it up in a lathe i think would be more economical.

The ID of the front ring is 6 7/8 ,

[skidmarks]

Originally Posted by 34fivewindow

The ID of the front ring is 6 7/8 ,

Is that found on an original front fixture?

If so, can you tell if it was made from a rolled piece of flatbar and welded together?

[Kerk]

It does NOT look like a rolled piece of flat stock to me... That is the hard piece to come up with. If I could find the right piece of pipe or round stock I could make up the front mount . The rear is a simple piece of Flat stock with the right size short pieces of pipe welded to it and the should bolts to mount it on the bell housing end Have the stand parts and they could built with angle iron and a good set of Casters. kerk

[34fivewindow]

Originally Posted by skidmarks

Is that found on an original front fixture?

If so, can you tell if it was made from a rolled piece of flatbar and welded together?

Yes the measurement was from an original Clayborne stand. I am home now and will check tomorrow on how the hoop was made.

[34fivewindow]

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Originally Posted by skidmarks

Is that found on an original front fixture?

If so, can you tell if it was made from a rolled piece of flatbar and welded together?

The ring is a three piece casting, the two ears that bolt the ring to the front of the block, are welded to the ring. The ring itself is cast in one piece.

[MyFlattyFord]

Talk to Beller Museum in Romeoville Illinois. They have a complete clayborne engine stand. Talk to Jordon. www.bellermuseum.com

[alanwoodieman]

cleaned out a Ford mechanics garage and found a complete Clyborne and an extra set of mount both front and rear . if anyone is interested pm me for more info

[Ken/Alabama]

Originally Posted by GaryU.

That's a great point Kerk. This project will be for pre '49 blocks, will know more late next week.

You can use them on the 49-53 block but you’ll need a truck or Mercury bell housing with the round transmission bolt pattern.

[Ken/Alabama]

I need a set.

[Zeke3]

I would like to have a Clayborne engine stand. I have thought about trying to build one from scratch or maybe I will stumble across one at an auction sometime.

[whygoby]

I have 4 Clayborne stands, and had etched factory tags reproduced, as I was missing a couple for my stands. If interested in a reproduction ID tag, PM me. Thanks, Doug

[Fairlane500]

Keen to look at a set when final product is available to see.