Perfect restoration

[Pete]

Here is a question I have pondered for many years.
How many high point show cars would pass "Total" judging if say, a very large sum of money was to be won?
By total judging I mean from scratch. That means analyzing the metals used in the various parts to verify they are as original, analyzing the paint formulas of the paints used, tearing every thing on the car down to verify
that no Mickey Mouse fixes have been used like punch marking bearing race areas to temporarily tighten them up, using modern parts inside the engine where they don't show, using modern formula rubber floor mats
and so on.
There are thousands of ways to "cheat" but they could all be detected if there was enough money involved.....
Who would be the first to build a "perfect restored car"?

[H. L. Chauvin]

Have no idea; however, as someone humourously stated before, a few points may be taken off because the 2013 air in the tires would not be authentic air from the 1920's/1930's.

[Fred]

Simple Answer !! "NO ONE" And I have two of the "OTHER" ones..

[jkeesey]

Doesn't all that criteria take the fun right out of a Model A or is it just me?

[Marco Tahtaras]

Maybe Larry Ellison would give up on America's Cup yacht racing and venture into Model A's! OMG, what a horrible thought!!!

[Mike V. Florida]

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Originally Posted by Pete

Here is a question I have pondered for many years.
How many high point show cars would pass "Total" judging if say, a very large sum of money was to be won?
By total judging I mean from scratch. That means analyzing the metals used in the various parts to verify they are as original, analyzing the paint formulas of the paints used,

You could offer 2 million dollars and no one would win. If the steel was ever rusted and the rust removed it is now thinner in that spot so now it is not exact, as only one example.

[CarlG]

What I really don't understand is the guy that has a "high point original" car, but it has, say, a Stipe 330 cam, Burlington crank, insert bearings, chevy pistons, Mitchell transmission, Snyder 5.5 head, etc, etc. all because none of this shows, then will dis the guy that has an alternator.

[peters180a/170b]

WELL the dumbest thing i ever heard while judging A.A.C.A. meet..... FORD "NEVER" made the perfect car..... SO he takes some points off no matter what.... When i am not judging this same judge is still around and still getting to judge Model "A"s...Judged my car twice in the past so i say to myself there goes 1 or 2 points...l.o.l. This past year he told a group of us sitting under a tree in Tenn. Grand National that the Model "A' bumpers are stainless steel... I can't make this shit up....FAT JUDGE WITH A STRAW HAT.. LATE 60'S.....L.O.L.

[d.j. moordigian]

Peter,
You have a way with words...or is it the Judges? LOL

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by d.j. moordigian

Peter,
You have a way with words...or is it the Judges? LOL

Best laugh I had all day! LOL

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by CarlG

What I really don't understand is the guy that has a "high point original" car, but it has, say, a Stipe 330 cam, Burlington crank, insert bearings, chevy pistons, Mitchell transmission, Snyder 5.5 head, etc, etc. all because none of this shows, then will dis the guy that has an alternator.

my thoughts exactly

[BrianBurkert]

Punching bearing races is Mickey Mouse?

[glenn in camino]

I'm the only one in my club who gives a #$%^&* about judging. We are a fun, touring club. I drive my show cars on the tours but spend a lot of time cleaning them after.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by CarlG

What I really don't understand is the guy that has a "high point original" car, but it has, say, a Stipe 330 cam, Burlington crank, insert bearings, chevy pistons, Mitchell transmission, Snyder 5.5 head, etc, etc. all because none of this shows, then will dis the guy that has an alternator.

Those darn alternators sure cause a lot of fighting!

I vote they should be outlawed. LOL

[Ron in Quincy]

Do we really need threads like this ?????? How does this furthur our wonderful hobby ????????

Ron

[Milton]

Originally Posted by Marco Tahtaras

Maybe Larry Ellison would give up on America's Cup yacht racing and venture into Model A's! OMG, what a horrible thought!!!

Would that make them Foracles?

[Marco Tahtaras]

Originally Posted by Ron in Quincy

Do we really need threads like this ?????? How does this furthur our wonderful hobby ????????

Ron

Ron,

This is kinda mild for posts during "winter blues" when folks have been couped up too long. Silly, yes. Absurd? Well maybe. Nobody has gotten nasty so that is a good thing for mid winter. It typically gets far worse this time of year when the goal needs to be to limit the damage!

Additionally it was stupid on my part to think a bunch of car guys would know anything about an unfulfilled billionaire that buys up companies as well as the island of Lanai for an ego booster!

I have to give you credit as you always seem stable and focused. I think If I lived up where you are I'd be one of those "statistics" where my only outlet would be via computer this time of year.

[Marco Tahtaras]

Originally Posted by Milton

Would that make them Foracles?

Ok, someone made the connection!

[Special Coupe Frank]

I sometimes wonder how high a "brand new" Model A would have scored at MAFCA / MARC judging... ?

And where the deductions ( if any ) would be made ?

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Marco Tahtaras

Ok, someone made the connection!

I did also Marco.

To answer Brian's question, yes.