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Old 06-22-2011, 11:50 PM   #1
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I know I'm going to get alot of grief from certain friends, and from people I've never actually met, but here goes. Late this winter, my Dad and I decided that the time had come to go down the path of getting some new paint on the 5 window. Some backstory for those that don't know...

My Dad and the 5 window in 1964. It was his first car. He drove it for 3 years, joined the Air Force, and after shipping out to Vietnam, sometime during his tour ('68-69), my uncle blew the motor. It stayed in my uncle's garage for awhile but ultimately ended up in the barn.





Fast forward to 2005, we finally got it roadworthy. People loved it. I got lots of compliements. "Don't ever paint this or you'll f**k it up!" I got that from several people from here to Austin Texas. But it never has been the plan to leave it forever. Dad loves this car, and wanted very much to make it as nice as it was in '64. When he gave it to me, I knew someday, somehow, we would make that happen. And anyway, this coupe is more than just a another car within the family. It is as much about the memories associated with it over the last 47 years as the car itself. Alot of the scrapes on the rear fenders and the backs of the front fenders, I put there 35 years ago. Is there anything cooler to use as a slide than an old Ford coupe?

Summer of 2010 with my son.







After my son was born in 2008, we got the '55 wagon, so the coupe had to go back to my parent's house. In that time since then, we managed to give my cousin Owen "the sickness" regarding '36 Fords, and between the 3 of us, decided to make the paint happen. Along the way a few things changed also as well...



Got a new front bumper and guards, shorty rear bumper brackets, stainless taillights and plate brackets, full exhaust with cutouts and of course paint on the fenders and rumble lid.




Also replaced the F-1 rumble steps and the '34 rumble handle with the correct pieces. I resisted this to the bitter end. My Dad and Uncle put those on in the '60s because at the time, that was all they could find. Same with the truck door handles. I caved on the steps and rumble handle (Dad was going to change them anyway because it always bothered him), but I would not let him change the truck door handles. It's one of those odd little quirks unique to the car that will always remind me of my Dad and also of my Uncle. As much as he would rather they be the stock handles, he respects that.



I found a seat for sale up in Michigan, and needing one for the cabriolet, my Dad and cousin offered to go get it. So I bought it sight unseen. From what I was told, it was just an old seat, needing recovered. No problem, I don't want fabric in a cabriolet anyway. So they get up there and the damn thing is almost perfect! So it went into the 5 window instead, which of course snowballed into new door panels and kick panels that my cousin made from fabric ordered from Lebaron Bonney, and pulling out the gauges and rebulding them, and fixing all the drains in the windows. We still need to find a large industrial sewing machine as ours wasn't big enough to put the correct seams in the door panels.



You probably also have noticed the blackwalls and new hubcaps. My Dad's 3 window runs blackwalls, and he wanted to run blackwalls on the 5 window for awhile, so he took another set of wheels and bought blackwall radials. I like the blackwalls for a change. I built him a model of the 5 window about 8 years before it was ever close to leaving the barn, that had this exact look. I really don't like the radials, but for now, the blackwall look is winning out over hating the radials. I have the whitewalls ready to go at anytime.



So for now the body retains the old paint. Recently Dick Spadaro came out with the correct looking quarter patches, so we're going to cut out the Bob Drake patches and replace them some upcoming winter.

I enjoyed the patina, but I love the new paint.


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Old 06-23-2011, 12:54 AM   #2
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Thanx Django. Good job. Wayno
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Fantastic, another Ford Coupe in my favourite colour.

Great Job
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:24 AM   #4
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Looks great, best thing about it of course is the family connection, that's real patina.
Also looking good in the early Chicago sunshine.
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Old 06-23-2011, 05:33 AM   #5
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looked good before but looks great now
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Old 06-23-2011, 06:47 AM   #6
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Beautiful coupe, great history. Well done to all involved.
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Old 06-23-2011, 07:58 AM   #7
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Dj,
Yours might not be the greatest story ever told but it's REAL
CLOSE. You are a lucky guy.
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:44 AM   #8
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Great job & nice story, Chad. Is it going to Auburn?

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Old 06-23-2011, 08:54 AM   #9
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Nice story, nice car. Keep up the good work teaching that kid what family tradition is all about...
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Old 06-23-2011, 09:46 AM   #10
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Thanks everyone!

Ken, not sure about Auburn yet. The plan was to take the the 4 door, the cabriolet, and one of the coupes. The 5 window will depend on if my wife and son are going. If not, then yes. If so, then we will have to take a daily driver down to my folks house as well. If they go it would be easier to take the 3 window instead, but we'll see.

3 weeks ago, the 4 door threw a rod, which means if it is going to still go, the cabriolet may not be done in time, which means we would probably take the 3 window anyway. Confused yet? We had it all planned out, but it sure isn't working out that way!
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Great history and great story. I think you did a pretty good job of keeping the originality, but "cleaning it up a bit". Love '36 5 windows.
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Old 06-23-2011, 10:38 AM   #12
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Excellent! Really nice 5-window.

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Old 06-23-2011, 11:19 AM   #13
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Whats the old line, if they were your friends they wouldnt tell you that you would F it up if you painted it. I happen to like paint, and black always a winner, especially when it was to start.

I think you did a fine job and made the right decision. I think all your tweaks were classy and well thought out as well.

Like the others mentioned, the story that goes along with it is worth way more than any doo dad you could put on any car.

At my age now, I understand why my late friend Jack always said he had more fun building them than driving them, and with your story it ads to my knowing why he felt that way.

The only car I saw at the Back to the 50's weekend in St Paul last week was a true "pantia" car. Well it was actually rust. It was a 32 Gennie Roadster, high boy edition. That was the only car I ever saw that I would not have painted. It was neat the way it was. So out of all my time looking at these cars, my list of not to paint was only one car

And as a matter of truth, needing anyones approval for your work and your path is nice, but your choices are the right ones in the end.

Accept for that guy that put a 55 Chevy hardtop on a 4x4 suspension.

Dont be that guy!
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:26 AM   #14
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I like patina to a point. You were ready for paint and it looks outstanding. Nice car.
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You did right. Patina is what you want on a barn find, so that you can see all the problems.
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Old 06-23-2011, 04:49 PM   #16
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Good job! As you can see, my 5W Coupe also has blackwall tires and I like them better than any white wall tires. Thanks.
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Looks great! I'm really digging the blackwalls... thinking about getting another set of tires and wheels for my 36.
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Hope your ok with all the grief so far here's some more; I like the black and black as well, enjoy it as you want it. (Nice)
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Yeah, the overwhelming response has been positive. I wasn't so sure with the number of people over the years who adamantly would tell me to not change a thing!
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Like your music Chad, I dig it....
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Great story and well written "with pictures"!! Thanks!

Love the car!

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Some cars with a patina shouldn't be painted, your car was not one of those. I hope your son was around when your Father, Uncle and you were discussing the many things you all induvidually and collectively wanted to do to your wonderful car.

If your son overheard some of these conversations, he will at his age forget them, however they will become part of his automotive [DNA] and so the traditions live on.
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I have to agree, you did it right. Thanks for sharing your story.
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Like your music Chad, I dig it....
Thank you!

Fe26, my son definitely has "the sickness". Last night he was exhausted from swim class, playing, etc. But he still wanted to go to the cruise night. When we got there, we were looking at cars, and he asked me so quietly that I could barely hear him, "Where is the '36 Ford Sedan Delivery". It was cute. I told him the sedan delivery is in GrandDad's barn, not the cruise night.
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Fe26, my son definitely has "the sickness". Last night he was exhausted from swim class, playing, etc. But he still wanted to go to the cruise night. When we got there, we were looking at cars, and he asked me so quietly that I could barely hear him, "Where is the '36 Ford Sedan Delivery". It was cute. I told him the sedan delivery is in GrandDad's barn, not the cruise night.
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Dad and I buffed the old paint to better blend it with the new. It looks pretty good. So I took these new pics at a pin up photo shoot with my car last night. Sorry, I am not allowed to share the girlie pics! But they were quite nice.










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I looked good the way it was - it looks great now . Miles of smiles to ya, Django!
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Old Dad's '40 in November of '63 at a car show in the Bullock's department store employee parking lot in Pasadena (me in the foreground, Bullock's in the background on the left):

And as it looks today:


Patina Gone Wild! It's a long story, involving an XKE, a flying sailboat, and two old hot rods put together.
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There is only so much you can say about patina. Back in the day those who could afford to keep them new looking did.No doubt your ride is great example of what it was-where it went to and what it is now. I take the now version because its rich i family history and its a great looking ride like it use to be. Thanks for posting all the pictures with the history.
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Very cool OldDad. Sounds like it survived quite a harrowing incident!

Friday morning at the hotel in Auburn, my wife was getting ready, and my boy kept telling her "Mommy! C'mon! Let's go to the Ford show!". It was pretty funny. Almost as funny as him making her read the issue of Rod & Custom before nap time the other day. He's ruined.
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Cool car , love the new look......
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Absolutely love it!
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As you can see from my ride, I definitely like patina but some times the old rides look better with new paint, either way nice cars!
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Love this car! Would you please share what's under the hood and how the chassis is set up? Thanks
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Great coupe !!!!You can always get a new paint job,but you can never go back to the old one again!!!!!
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Love this car! Would you please share what's under the hood and how the chassis is set up? Thanks
Thanks. It's a '70 302/C5. It has served me well. The first year I had it on the road, it had a junkyard 302. It was supposed to be a good motor, but it turned out to be really tired. My business partner and I assembled this one after having the machine work done in March of '07. I managed to put about 80 miles on in 4 days, and drove it to Austin TX for the Lonestar Round Up. The only thing that gave me trouble was the header gaskets, which I had to change in Texarkana. That was a fun trip.



The front end is a Gibbon Cordoba Torsion bar kit which was the hot new set up in '88 for about a minute. I don't mind it, but someday I'd like to redo it with a dropped axle. I bought a complete P&J setup out of a '40 Ford to do so, but that is now in the process of going into the sedan delivery. The rear end is a Granada 8" with a 4 link.
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Django….Oh boy, do I know where your at with the 5W. Getting an original ‘barn fresh’ 3W, I am ready to do the 1,000,000 point car…..but, some of my friends have lambasted me with comments on keeping it as it is. Well, I pondered for a while, and came to the conclusion that it will be a ‘Show Barn’ finish. The original paint appeared to be so-so, but, find sand a buff….wow, finding out that the original black is pretty tough and buffs up like a mirror….ok, so some areas go through to the base primer, but, that’s the real patina. The surface rust spots further adds to the appeal of the vintage look. Original green pin strip is still there in spots, and I’m being very careful not to rub them out. Like yours, the fenders were bad, so, off they went and are being refinished with new black paint….but, patina finished to match the rest of the car….and, I am really enjoying this. But, please be aware, the perfect car will get done….just not now….Robert
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Great story & photos. Thanx for sharing.
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You got your 36 sickness from your dad i got mine form my uncle im on my second 36.Thank god for the family members that pass it on is what i say.
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Here are some updated photos from my trip down to the Coker Tire open house in April. Went back to the Whitewalls. Firestones this time.











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