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Old 01-20-2021, 06:46 PM   #1
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Default 32 spindle bolts

Started assembling front axle today, does the 32 use a felt and cup between the axle and spindle?, my kit came with a cup and felt but it's way to thick, I can put cup in lathe and turn it thinner if it uses, Thanks
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Old 01-20-2021, 07:11 PM   #2
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yes; interposed between bottom of axle and top of bottom boss of spindle
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Old 01-20-2021, 07:19 PM   #3
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The bearing goes on the bottom of the axle so the weight of the car rests on it. The felt goes on top of the axle to keep dirt out.
If the parts don't fit, get the right ones or fix them till they fit.
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Old 01-20-2021, 07:51 PM   #4
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Pete,

With respect, on '32-'34 passenger car and commercial vehicles the spindle bearing is above the axle beneath the head of the spindle bolt (B-3115/6) which bears the weight of the front axle, etc. The felt washer and its retaining steel cup washer are placed as Brian indicates.
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Pete,

With respect, on '32-'34 passenger car and commercial vehicles the spindle bearing is above the axle beneath the head of the spindle bolt (B-3115/6) which bears the weight of the front axle, etc. The felt washer and its retaining steel cup washer are placed as Brian indicates.
Yea, I knew I would get some flak on that. Put the felt on the bottom and it won't last very long with the weight of the car on it.
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Please look at any period chassis parts catalog and you'll note from the illustrations the order of assembly. Because the spindle bolt is held in place by a tapered locking bolt through the axle no weigh rests on the felt washer or its retaining cup. Perhaps you are thinking of a later vintage Ford front axle.
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Old 01-20-2021, 08:43 PM   #7
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Thanks fellows that what I thought, hereís a picture of the cup turned to fit
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Old 01-20-2021, 10:03 PM   #8
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Who sells the kit that those oversized cups were in?
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Old 01-20-2021, 10:28 PM   #9
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Sometimes the top of the axle is worn and you need to shim under the bearing to make sure there is enough space between the bottom of the axle and the spindle for the cup and felt to fit. Best to have the weight on the spindle when setting the pins up.

On the other hand that un-modified cup on the left is crazy out of spec.
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Old 01-21-2021, 12:07 AM   #10
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If your '32 retains its mechanical brake, hopefully the kit includes the small felt washer that goes beneath the spindle in the gap between it and the ledge on the front brake backing plate that the brake operating rod passes through. Its purpose is to stop grease from the spindles finding its way inside the brake backing plate.
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Please look at any period chassis parts catalog and you'll note from the illustrations the order of assembly. Because the spindle bolt is held in place by a tapered locking bolt through the axle no weigh rests on the felt washer or its retaining cup. Perhaps you are thinking of a later vintage Ford front axle.
The weight then rests on the washer on the end of the kingpin. I know they did it that way but I will do it my way, even on street machines.
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He Pete: There is a big 3/8" thick or so roller bearing that sits just below the head of the king pin - the weight of the car is held between the top of the 32 - 34 spindle and the bulbus top of the king pin (the part where the mechanical linkage slips into). So all the weight is loaded on the top of the spindle to the top of the king pin (with a bearing in the middle), not down below like on later setups.

Now, if you're not running mechanical brakes, you can setup the king pins and loads either way - depending on what king pin package you're running and what you prefer.

When I put hydraulic brakes on my 32, I switched to a thin Torrington bearing (with two thin hardened steel races on each side) that fits below the axle and handles the load of the car (between the axle bottom and the top of the bottom king pin boss of the spindle). This is the area where the thin steel grease shield cup and fiber washer went on the original setup - is about .100 thick (just ball park). On this setup, the king pin is "shorter", there is no room for the big roller bearing setup at the top. Hope this helps . . .
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If your '32 retains its mechanical brake, hopefully the kit includes the small felt washer that goes beneath the spindle in the gap between it and the ledge on the front brake backing plate that the brake operating rod passes through. Its purpose is to stop grease from the spindles finding its way inside the brake backing plate.
Yes keeping mechanical brakes, canít remember who I bought spindle bolt kit from it has the small brake rod felt.
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Pre 37 you have to realise the weight of the car hangs on the kingpins.
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He Pete: There is a big 3/8" thick or so roller bearing that sits just below the head of the king pin - the weight of the car is held between the top of the 32 - 34 spindle and the bulbus top of the king pin (the part where the mechanical linkage slips into). So all the weight is loaded on the top of the spindle to the top of the king pin (with a bearing in the middle), not down below like on later setups.

Now, if you're not running mechanical brakes, you can setup the king pins and loads either way - depending on what king pin package you're running and what you prefer.

When I put hydraulic brakes on my 32, I switched to a thin Torrington bearing (with two thin hardened steel races on each side) that fits below the axle and handles the load of the car (between the axle bottom and the top of the bottom king pin boss of the spindle). This is the area where the thin steel grease shield cup and fiber washer went on the original setup - is about .100 thick (just ball park). On this setup, the king pin is "shorter", there is no room for the big roller bearing setup at the top. Hope this helps . . .
Yes, aware of all that. I assumed since this is NOT a stock restoration forum, he was using hydraulics.

By the way, Torrington bearings do not work too well in oscillating motion applications.
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Pete,


You are badly mistaken, among other things, it is a STOCK restoration forum. Perhaps you were thinking of the HAMB forum.
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You are badly mistaken, among other things, it is a STOCK restoration forum. Perhaps you were thinking of the HAMB forum.
Dual manifolds, headers, strokers, big valves, dropped axles etc, ad nauseam, are not stock restoration items.
As with anything, it is all in the interpretation.
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Old 01-21-2021, 06:07 PM   #18
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mine is stock!
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Old 01-23-2021, 02:45 PM   #19
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Thanks for the information everyone.
I'm just about to do this once my nos king pins arrive,
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Dual manifolds, headers, strokers, big valves, dropped axles etc, ad nauseam, are not stock restoration items.
As with anything, it is all in the interpretation.
It is as you suggest all in the interpretation. Yours and the correct interpretation.

In reality, there is no such thing as "alternative facts".
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