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08-05-2019, 04:42 PM | #1 |
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Another clutch chatter thread
Noticing the recent threads on clutch chatter makes me want to post my issue but I won't interfere with the other threads. The clutch chatters when the engine is cold but doesn't when the engine is fully warm. The chatter is at the top of the pedal at the at the end of the release. If I start off in second gear it doesn't chatter. 276"/L100 8BA is 3 years/4000 miles old. I had the Borg and Beck Mercury clutch rebuilt at Fort Wayne Brake and Clutch. The flywheel was resurfaced and a new pilot bushing installed. The engine is in a '38 that I converted the clutch pedal and linkage to '40 Ford parts to eliminate the pushing effect on the engine/trans assembly when operating the clutch. The U-joint seemed tight with no slack or play. The clutch was flawless for a few hundred miles, then developed a chatter. I began to notice that the chatter would be much less at times. I've tried motor/trans mount adjustment from snug to running all the threads down with no noticeable difference. I've watched it for a few cycles and it is consistent. Any ideas that I can run down on the cause would be appreciated.
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08-05-2019, 05:00 PM | #2 |
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Re: Another clutch chatter thread
Do you have the anti-chatter rods fitted?
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08-05-2019, 05:38 PM | #3 |
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Re: Another clutch chatter thread
Re tighten your motor and transmission mounts--like REAL tight.
Also the original type mounts that have more steel in them is quite a bit better then those without. I am using replacements with FoMoCo on them and they are almost like solid. |
08-05-2019, 06:42 PM | #4 |
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Mart, I don't have anti chatter rods. This is an 8 BA ( no attaching point at the engine) and the clutch linkage doesn't push on the engine assembly. That is really why I installed the clutch linkage that pushes on the frame. Would the bars have a different impact hot vs cold? So you think they are necessary? To re-state, the chatter is just before the free play at the top of the pedal. It is smooth until the very end of engagement.
Deuce, I have them tightened to the bottom of the threads on the through bolts. I get engine vibes through the frame with them this tight. Do you have a source for the good mounts? |
08-05-2019, 06:49 PM | #5 |
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Re: Another clutch chatter thread
there are ways to mount the chatter rods on an 8ba, i ve seen the posts here. do a search, or maybe some one will jump in to help?
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08-05-2019, 06:57 PM | #6 |
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Those engine stay rods were there to prevent the engine from being pushed forward by the torque tube, that is why the 49 and up flatheads have no place to attach them, as they went to an open driveline that doesn't push forward when you begin to move. I wonder if the 3 arms on the pressure plate are not adjusted equally, as I understand it, the chatter happens just at about full engagement when the friction is greatest. Maybe they were ok at first but one has changed and screwed itself in a bit. I guess another possibility is oil is escaping from the gear cover behind the flywheel and now there is enough on the disk to cause some chatter. I hate this kind of thing, I hope it is something simple for you. Last edited by deuce_roadster; 08-05-2019 at 06:58 PM. Reason: spelling error |
08-06-2019, 02:05 AM | #7 |
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It would benefit from anti-chatter rods. The 40 models had that type of clutch release but retained the anti-chatter rods. As mentioned above people have made brackets to adapt the rods to cars that have had 8BA motors installed. You have to remember the rear axle pushes and pulls on the transmission and motor as you accelerate and decelerate.
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08-06-2019, 09:11 PM | #8 |
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i'm surprised no one has spoke up, its been here several times. i've never done it, but from memory, there are two holes in your cast iron bell housing that are basically in the same place as the holes in an earlier block for the rods. may have to drill it bigger?, and some have made brackets as mart mentioned. also as mart mentioned, they should be there as thats how the system was designed. google search, 8ba steady rods fordbarn
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08-06-2019, 09:34 PM | #9 |
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I forgot to mention that I installed one of the brackets that is supposed? to replace the rods. I couldn't tell that it made any difference. I still don't understand why it always gets smooth when the engine warms up. Credit for the picture goes to 'Barner 19Forty
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04-05-2020, 07:16 AM | #10 |
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Re: Another clutch chatter thread
UPDATE:
I just talked to Mark Seitz today, April 5, 2020. His correct phone number is 234-600-8804 and he charges $60 which includes shipping for a pair of his 8ba Anti-chatter Adapter brackets. His address is the same: 5345 Parkman Road NW, Warren,OH 44481 |
04-05-2020, 08:10 AM | #11 |
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Re: Another clutch chatter thread
I'm leaning towards oil that either is thrown off or burnt off but the anti hatter rods will be my first try .
What kind of oil pressure are you running ? What condition are your rear wishbone mounts in ? Everything tight ? Did this start after a brake adjustment? I know that's far reaching but I've seen it . |
04-05-2020, 08:49 AM | #12 |
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Your post indicates your chatter is temperature related.
Definitely an oil leak or dirty assembly issue (hands, failure to clean the flywheel or pressure plate) Further down in your post you said your chatter was at the top of the pedal. A 3 fingered pressure plate wasn't adjusted equally A sloppy front mainshaft bearing. |
04-05-2020, 08:51 AM | #13 |
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Re: Another clutch chatter thread
Would a broken rear transmission mount ear on the transmission cause this?
Are your rear transmission mounts good? Are they tight? |
04-05-2020, 09:08 AM | #14 |
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Re: Another clutch chatter thread
what you call anti chatter rods are not for clutch chatter .there purpose is to hold the eng from the pushing force from the torque tube .when you have open drive there not needed
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04-05-2020, 09:30 AM | #15 |
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we just had a 32 ford in our shop with the worst clutch chatter i ever saw.i sent the assembly to fort wayne clutch who i always deal with . i installed the clutch & it chattered just as bad.i called them they said send it back i asked them to send a different assembly not to redo this one witch they did. the clutch now is smooth as silk. i have never had a proulbem with forth wayne they are the best what i am saying that some time even the best can,t explane what was wrong. p.s the 32 ford is one pain in the ass to do a clutch on. fort wayne as still the best & i will still send them my clutch,s
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04-05-2020, 09:55 AM | #16 |
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Re: Another clutch chatter thread
I've had the same problem with my 8BA. The only real difference is sometimes mine will chatter and sometimes it is as smooth as silk. Temperature doesn't make any difference.
It has gotten better over time. I've tried everything that can be done. Finally decided to live with it. |
04-05-2020, 10:35 AM | #17 |
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You might want to check out what I went through to get my 8BA "clutch geometry" to where I felt comfortable with it. There are some who said it was not necessary, but I believe that it goes a long way in explaining what might have caused the kind of mysterious problem described by "richard crow" above.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...highlight=shim (Please be advised that it is long and may be boring to some.) |
04-05-2020, 12:17 PM | #18 |
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Unless I missed it he didn't say what transmission or rear is installed . My apologies if he did .
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04-05-2020, 04:18 PM | #19 |
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Re: Another clutch chatter thread
Well, a big part of reducing "chatter" is learning the clutch release. I had chatter after all the above changes. When I start up now I let up on the pedal until I feel it starting to engage. Then increase the RPM's a lot (almost like the old term "slipping the clutch). Keep releasing the pedal and increasing RPM's until you feel the clutch is engaged then you should be good to go. Try it
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They can be brought back to that level if you expend the effort. |
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Thanks for the reminder. But clutch chatter was a problem from when they left the show room. I was just posting my opinion on how some methods help. What recommendations do you have on brought back to that level if you expend the effort. Last edited by oldford2; 04-05-2020 at 06:35 PM. |
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04-05-2020, 08:12 PM | #22 |
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When I was 16 we used to spray carbon tech from a fire ext. through the
inspection hole. Put the front bumper against a big tree and slip the clutch. This usually sopped the chatter. G.M.
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We did this with a clutch plate that was stuck and acting sticky on a car that had been sitting for a decade (old oil on clutch?). Worked and the more we drove it the better it got. Good motor mounts are important. Last edited by Tinker; 04-05-2020 at 08:46 PM. |
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04-05-2020, 09:18 PM | #24 |
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Did you check out the thread I referenced in post #17? To summarize it, the "fingers" differed in height from the flywheel surface by .050" with no adjustments. I was able to bring them within .007". When you figure that .050" is almost 1/16" , I think that you should be able to see that that much mis-alinement might cause problems (including chatter).
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04-05-2020, 09:24 PM | #25 |
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3 arm are adjustable, there are different pressure plates available but I can't speak on that. I use the original clutch plate, new clutch disc. Think a lot of people like fortwayne out of tx to get them set up. Not to push a cowboy company.
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Well that's a bummer... Pretty sure 8ba's didn't have chatter rods either. Hope they make it right. |
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04-05-2020, 09:44 PM | #28 |
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If you had the flywheel cut, probably wouldn't be a bad idea to know if that was balanced as well as everything is bolted tight.
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04-05-2020, 10:02 PM | #29 |
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Sigh.....
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hahaha! We should have like buttons here. Hamb does. Or not. Too facebooky... Take care this thread opted out 10 posts ago. Post on Last edited by Tinker; 04-05-2020 at 10:18 PM. |
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