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brum1 · 03-13-2019, 05:57 PM

Received a copper goose neck gasket, did not know they existed. Has anyone had any luck with these?? Manufacturer of goose neck recommends thin paper gasket to avoid cracking. (I have read this many times)

Any experience with the use of the copper gasket?

The Master Cylinder · 03-13-2019, 06:09 PM

FWIW I don't use a gasket, just a thin spread of 'The Right Stuff®'. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Mike Peters · 03-13-2019, 06:21 PM

Copper gaskets are tricky, as you know. Placing a Paper match stick to the outside of both head studs before tightening minimizes breakage. In May of 29, reinforcing ribs were added to the stud holes, and in March of 31 the height of the reinforcing ribs was raised from 1/4" to 11/16". The copper gasket was used all four year of production. I've often wondered what the assembly technique at Dearborn was to avoid breaking goosenecks when they were new?

fords · 03-13-2019, 08:20 PM

Tricky at best. Using Match sticks works. I have a brand new broken goose neck hanging on the garage wall as a reminder. Good luck.

30 Closed Cab PU · 03-13-2019, 11:27 PM

Also helps to walk down the torque 5 lbs. at a time on the 2 nuts, instead of only doing 2 or 3 torque settings.

Steve Plucker · 03-14-2019, 09:53 AM

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I have always used the copper goose neck gasket. However, I do not tighten it to full torque...Just enough that there is no leakage. (knock on wood)

Pluck

Purdy Swoft · 03-14-2019, 10:12 AM

I think that the copper clad gaskets were originally used . I used copper clad goose neck gaskets for years with no problem . The only times that I broke a goose neck was when I used the paper gasket . The last BF head that I bought , it was recommended not to use any gasket at all . . I just used a thin but uniform coat of gasket sealer and it has worked well for me .

37 Coupe · 03-14-2019, 03:10 PM

Just yesterday I used the thin paper gasket with the Permatex red gooey stuff and I used the paper match sticks as the instructions that came with my Bratton's gooseneck with tapped hole for temperature gauge said to do and was foolproof. Took it to 55lbs as the other head studs. Wonder if anyone has ever made up a list of Henry's not so better idea as these two studs that double as very long head studs and gooseneck fasteners.I always thought number one on the list should be the drilled through holes on the banjo rear to allow leakage on everyhole or at least half of them.

Synchro909 · 03-14-2019, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 37 Coupe

Just yesterday I used the thin paper gasket with the Permatex red gooey stuff and I used the paper match sticks as the instructions that came with my Bratton's gooseneck with tapped hole for temperature gauge said to do and was foolproof. Took it to 55lbs as the other head studs. Wonder if anyone has ever made up a list of Henry's not so better idea as these two studs that double as very long head studs and gooseneck fasteners.I always thought number one on the list should be the drilled through holes on the banjo rear to allow leakage on everyhole or at least half of them.

That would be a whole new thread and I would fill a page.

jetmek · 03-14-2019, 10:40 PM

I make my own from sheet copper and anneal. lite coat of ultrablack sealer on both sides . dozens of engines and haven't broken one since....

Roger V · 03-15-2019, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

I think that the copper clad gaskets were originally used . I used copper clad goose neck gaskets for years with no problem . The only times that I broke a goose neck was when I used the paper gasket . The last BF head that I bought , it was recommended not to use any gasket at all . . I just used a thin but uniform coat of gasket sealer and it has worked well for me .

Likewise, I've never had a problem with copper gaskets. It's the thick paper gasket that compresses more at the stud that breaks the water outlet. Yes, no gasket with a sealer would be better than paper even with the matches.

Werner · 03-15-2019, 02:47 PM

Sorry for my question:

What part on the Model A is a "Gooseneck"? "Goose" = big fat bird. "Neck" = between head and body.

???

Purdy Swoft · 03-15-2019, 03:37 PM

I usually call it the water outlet , sometimes upper water outlet . There is a water inlet on the drivers side of the engine .

Werner · 03-15-2019, 03:53 PM

Thank you Purdy,

ah, this one ...

The Master Cylinder · 03-15-2019, 04:03 PM

I always thought a gooseneck was the piece the held the handlebars on a bicycle and attached to the front forks.

Smooth_One · 03-15-2019, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Master Cylinder

I always thought a gooseneck was the piece the held the handlebars on a bicycle and attached to the front forks.

That would be called a STEM.

03-13-2019, 05:57 PM	#1
brum1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Raynham, Mass. Posts: 583	Copper Gooseneck gasket Received a copper goose neck gasket, did not know they existed. Has anyone had any luck with these?? Manufacturer of goose neck recommends thin paper gasket to avoid cracking. (I have read this many times) Any experience with the use of the copper gasket? __________________ "no one knows more than everyone"

03-13-2019, 06:09 PM	#2
The Master Cylinder Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 879	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket FWIW I don't use a gasket, just a thin spread of 'The Right Stuff®'. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 __________________ The Master Cylinder Enjoying life at the beach in SoCal... Last edited by The Master Cylinder; 03-15-2019 at 03:59 PM.

03-13-2019, 06:21 PM	#3
Mike Peters Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: South East Wisconsin Posts: 1,279	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket Copper gaskets are tricky, as you know. Placing a Paper match stick to the outside of both head studs before tightening minimizes breakage. In May of 29, reinforcing ribs were added to the stud holes, and in March of 31 the height of the reinforcing ribs was raised from 1/4" to 11/16". The copper gasket was used all four year of production. I've often wondered what the assembly technique at Dearborn was to avoid breaking goosenecks when they were new?

03-13-2019, 08:20 PM	#4
fords Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Melbourne, Fl Posts: 62	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket Tricky at best. Using Match sticks works. I have a brand new broken goose neck hanging on the garage wall as a reminder. Good luck. Last edited by fords; 03-13-2019 at 08:22 PM. Reason: Spelling

03-13-2019, 11:27 PM	#5
30 Closed Cab PU Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,332	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket Also helps to walk down the torque 5 lbs. at a time on the 2 nuts, instead of only doing 2 or 3 torque settings.

03-14-2019, 09:53 AM	#6
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have always used the copper goose neck gasket. However, I do not tighten it to full torque...Just enough that there is no leakage. (knock on wood) Pluck

03-14-2019, 10:12 AM	#7
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket I think that the copper clad gaskets were originally used . I used copper clad goose neck gaskets for years with no problem . The only times that I broke a goose neck was when I used the paper gasket . The last BF head that I bought , it was recommended not to use any gasket at all . . I just used a thin but uniform coat of gasket sealer and it has worked well for me .

03-14-2019, 03:10 PM	#8
37 Coupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,835	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket Just yesterday I used the thin paper gasket with the Permatex red gooey stuff and I used the paper match sticks as the instructions that came with my Bratton's gooseneck with tapped hole for temperature gauge said to do and was foolproof. Took it to 55lbs as the other head studs. Wonder if anyone has ever made up a list of Henry's not so better idea as these two studs that double as very long head studs and gooseneck fasteners.I always thought number one on the list should be the drilled through holes on the banjo rear to allow leakage on everyhole or at least half of them. __________________ "Never complain,never explain"... Henry Ford II

03-14-2019, 10:40 PM	#10
jetmek Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: albany Posts: 465	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket I make my own from sheet copper and anneal. lite coat of ultrablack sealer on both sides . dozens of engines and haven't broken one since.... __________________ engine and component overhauls my specialty! Website- www.godevilgarage.com

03-15-2019, 02:47 PM	#12
Werner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Germany, near Aachen Posts: 1,153	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket Sorry for my question: What part on the Model A is a "Gooseneck"? "Goose" = big fat bird. "Neck" = between head and body. ??? __________________ Beste Gruesse aus Deutschland, Werner Ford Model A, Roadster, 1928 Citroen 11 CV, 1947 Hercules W 2000, 1976; (with NSU-Wankel Rotary Engine), Canadian version

03-15-2019, 03:37 PM	#13
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket I usually call it the water outlet , sometimes upper water outlet . There is a water inlet on the drivers side of the engine .

03-15-2019, 04:03 PM	#15
The Master Cylinder Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 879	Re: Copper Gooseneck gasket I always thought a gooseneck was the piece the held the handlebars on a bicycle and attached to the front forks. __________________ The Master Cylinder Enjoying life at the beach in SoCal...