The Ford Barn

V8COOPMAN · 01-15-2013, 11:31 AM

Created many moons ago by the "after-market". DD

Gary in La. · 01-15-2013, 11:35 AM

No,not a stock Ford part. I got mine from Speedway in 1997 for $29.95. Believe they were developed several years prior.

1931 flamingo · 01-15-2013, 12:11 PM

I had them back in 1962. Probably from Honest Charley.
Paul in CT

mike42 · 01-15-2013, 12:59 PM

I would assume aftermarket, but after reading this I don't want to take the chance !

19Fordy · 01-15-2013, 02:36 PM

It was NOT stock and I believe it was created by vendors or "car folks" who found the need for such a product.

JM 35 Sedan · 01-15-2013, 03:10 PM

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Vern Tardel has tooling to make those drum retainers for '39 to '48 Ford hydraulic brakes. I don't know if he was the first to make them but he probably makes them for other suppliers as well as his own business.

oldford2 · 01-15-2013, 04:09 PM

I put a pair on our 46 "just in case". I had to grind the radius to clear the hub (no big deal). Then the next problem I encountered: We bleed the brakes every year to "freshen" the fluid. I have to remove the retainers so my bleeder hose and wrench can get on the fitting. Again, no big deal - 3 minutes to remove/ install the retainers. If they/do they make longer wheel cylinder bleeders???
Now, if I hit the lottery I can go thru the process of changing over to that silicone stuff and save the cost of a pint of DOT 3 and an hours work to bleed the system every year. The wife would like it also so we wouldn't have to go thru the "pump and hold" process. (c'mon Vic, I know what you are thinking). I am referring to the brake pedal.
Oh well, He will never change.
John

OLD...BILL · 01-15-2013, 04:42 PM

To answer to original question YES worth it. Having been through it one time, it was an open wheeled roadster and the damage was to the backing plate only. ( it was also chromed ) and that hurt. 1950 something ..... And like other barner's I will be putting them on my 39 fordor. ..............OLD..............BILL

19Fordy · 01-15-2013, 06:13 PM

olford2: Yes they do make longer brake bleeders. I use these.
http://speedbleeder.com/size.htm You can get various sizes here also.
http://www.speedbleeder.zoovy.com/
You can also buy longer grease fittings, instead of those short little ones.

oldford2 · 01-15-2013, 07:53 PM

19fordy,
Thanks for the info. So many sizes. What size do you use? Thanks,
John

19Fordy · 01-15-2013, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldford2

19fordy,
Thanks for the info. So many sizes. What size do you use? Thanks,
John

I just found the invoice from 2011. It shows I bought 4 of the SB3824L speedbleeder on line. $7 each plus shipping came to $33.95 total.

19Fordy · 02-27-2013, 08:40 PM

I see where a couple of Fordbarners report that the brake drum retainers really did "save the day" and their car. But I do have a few questions.
1. When the axle does break is the lip of the retainer strong enough to actually hold the axle in without getting destroyed? Does the retainer maintan its shape or get bent up and twisted under the condition of doing its job?
2. Will the sparks created between the brake drum and the retainer might cause an explosion if there is a slight leak of fumes from the gas tank filler neck?
3. What guage metal is used to make the retainers currently being sold?
4. Could there be a product liability issue with this product? The reason I am asking is that I am considering making a set for the Lincoln brakes.
Thanks, Jim 19Fordy

Bassman/NZ · 02-27-2013, 09:21 PM

19Fordy.... Thanks for the pics. I tried a set of proprietry retainers and they didn't fit because my drums only have the single ridge with a sloping face, as per the ones in your photo. I think they're from a 47 pickemup. Seeing your homemade... er... home crafted ones has inspired me to do the same.

Talkwrench · 02-27-2013, 09:41 PM

Just fitted a set.. Think from macs or speedway, My mate ordered a few?? Anyway Needed a bit taken off here and there I have drums that have multipule ribs so the fit was very fine , said you must have.080 clearance , I was lucky to get .040. .Got me wondering about the "spark issue" Guess we'll see if I burst into flames any time soon.. They come with spacers and new bolts to go into the wheel cyl. Looked weak to me if anything did go, but I guess better than nothin'..

quickchange34 · 02-27-2013, 09:47 PM

I have made a few sets. I have them on my 34 roadster and my 34 three window. I drive both of my cars alot. Both of my cars have Lincoln brakes. The bolt holes are different and they are futher down on the backing plate. You can make them out of some 2x4 steel tubing with a 3/16 wall. You only need a piece 4 inches long for each rear backing plate. You will have to make a pattern and cut and drill the tubing to size.

PeteVS · 02-27-2013, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickchange34

I have made a few sets. I have them on my 34 roadster and my 34 three window. I drive both of my cars alot. Both of my cars have Lincoln brakes. The bolt holes are different and they are futher down on the backing plate. You can make them out of some 2x4 steel tubing with a 3/16 wall. You only need a piece 4 inches long for each rear backing plate. You will have to make a pattern and cut and drill the tubing to size.

Do you have a picture of them that you could post?

hardtimes · 02-28-2013, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

olford2: Yes they do make longer brake bleeders. I use these.
http://speedbleeder.com/size.htm You can get various sizes here also.
http://www.speedbleeder.zoovy.com/
You can also buy longer grease fittings, instead of those short little ones.

Thanks much for the great pics and this website info. Inspires me to finally do something for safety

!

19Fordy · 09-10-2013, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassman/NZ

19Fordy.... Thanks for the pics. I tried a set of proprietry retainers and they didn't fit because my drums only have the single ridge with a sloping face, as per the ones in your photo. I think they're from a 47 pickemup. Seeing your homemade... er... home crafted ones has inspired me to do the same.

Here's the latest effort.
https://fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115994

Karl Wolf · 09-10-2013, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

I see where a couple of Fordbarners report that the brake drum retainers really did "save the day" and their car. But I do have a few questions.
1. When the axle does break is the lip of the retainer strong enough to actually hold the axle in without getting destroyed? Does the retainer maintan its shape or get bent up and twisted under the condition of doing its job?
2. Will the sparks created between the brake drum and the retainer might cause an explosion if there is a slight leak of fumes from the gas tank filler neck?
3. What guage metal is used to make the retainers currently being sold?
4. Could there be a product liability issue with this product? The reason I am asking is that I am considering making a set for the Lincoln brakes.
Thanks, Jim 19Fordy

In my opinion, the surface of the outside of the drum determines the fate of the retainer... That being said, mine are rough but I am not so fussy as to remove the drums and machine the out side- but it's a possibility.
Karl

Pete · 09-11-2013, 02:36 AM

At the insistence of the customer, I have installed several sets in the past.
I never used them on any of my cars that had original type rear ends.
I always used the weld on ring type.
A little more work to install but far more reliable and safer.
Also, once installed, you can remove the hub faster and much easier than with the clips.

01-15-2013, 11:31 AM	#21
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,115	Re: Brake Drum Retainers Created many moons ago by the "after-market". DD __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE*

01-15-2013, 11:35 AM	#22
Gary in La. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Louisiana Posts: 866	Re: Brake Drum Retainers No,not a stock Ford part. I got mine from Speedway in 1997 for $29.95. Believe they were developed several years prior.

01-15-2013, 12:11 PM	#23
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,390	Re: Brake Drum Retainers I had them back in 1962. Probably from Honest Charley. Paul in CT

01-15-2013, 12:59 PM	#24
mike42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gaylord, Michigan Posts: 1,605	Re: Brake Drum Retainers I would assume aftermarket, but after reading this I don't want to take the chance !

01-15-2013, 02:36 PM	#25
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: Brake Drum Retainers It was NOT stock and I believe it was created by vendors or "car folks" who found the need for such a product.

01-15-2013, 03:10 PM	#26
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,858	Re: Brake Drum Retainers Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Vern Tardel has tooling to make those drum retainers for '39 to '48 Ford hydraulic brakes. I don't know if he was the first to make them but he probably makes them for other suppliers as well as his own business. __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein*

01-15-2013, 04:09 PM	#27
oldford2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: pittsfield, MA Posts: 2,086	Re: Brake Drum Retainers I put a pair on our 46 "just in case". I had to grind the radius to clear the hub (no big deal). Then the next problem I encountered: We bleed the brakes every year to "freshen" the fluid. I have to remove the retainers so my bleeder hose and wrench can get on the fitting. Again, no big deal - 3 minutes to remove/ install the retainers. If they/do they make longer wheel cylinder bleeders??? Now, if I hit the lottery I can go thru the process of changing over to that silicone stuff and save the cost of a pint of DOT 3 and an hours work to bleed the system every year. The wife would like it also so we wouldn't have to go thru the "pump and hold" process. (c'mon Vic, I know what you are thinking). I am referring to the brake pedal. Oh well, He will never change. John Last edited by oldford2; 01-15-2013 at 04:24 PM.

01-15-2013, 04:42 PM	#28
OLD...BILL Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern California,coast Posts: 552	Re: Brake Drum Retainers To answer to original question YES worth it. Having been through it one time, it was an open wheeled roadster and the damage was to the backing plate only. ( it was also chromed ) and that hurt. 1950 something ..... And like other barner's I will be putting them on my 39 fordor. ..............OLD..............BILL

01-15-2013, 06:13 PM	#29
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: Brake Drum Retainers olford2: Yes they do make longer brake bleeders. I use these. http://speedbleeder.com/size.htm You can get various sizes here also. http://www.speedbleeder.zoovy.com/ You can also buy longer grease fittings, instead of those short little ones. Last edited by 19Fordy; 01-15-2013 at 06:23 PM.

01-15-2013, 07:53 PM	#30
oldford2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: pittsfield, MA Posts: 2,086	Re: Brake Drum Retainers 19fordy, Thanks for the info. So many sizes. What size do you use? Thanks, John

02-27-2013, 08:40 PM	#32
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: Brake Drum Retainers I see where a couple of Fordbarners report that the brake drum retainers really did "save the day" and their car. But I do have a few questions. 1. When the axle does break is the lip of the retainer strong enough to actually hold the axle in without getting destroyed? Does the retainer maintan its shape or get bent up and twisted under the condition of doing its job? 2. Will the sparks created between the brake drum and the retainer might cause an explosion if there is a slight leak of fumes from the gas tank filler neck? 3. What guage metal is used to make the retainers currently being sold? 4. Could there be a product liability issue with this product? The reason I am asking is that I am considering making a set for the Lincoln brakes. Thanks, Jim 19Fordy Last edited by 19Fordy; 02-27-2013 at 08:59 PM.

02-27-2013, 09:21 PM	#33
Bassman/NZ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier, New Zealand Posts: 2,001	Re: Brake Drum Retainers 19Fordy.... Thanks for the pics. I tried a set of proprietry retainers and they didn't fit because my drums only have the single ridge with a sloping face, as per the ones in your photo. I think they're from a 47 pickemup. Seeing your homemade... er... home crafted ones has inspired me to do the same.

02-27-2013, 09:41 PM	#34
Talkwrench Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 2,687	Re: Brake Drum Retainers Just fitted a set.. Think from macs or speedway, My mate ordered a few?? Anyway Needed a bit taken off here and there I have drums that have multipule ribs so the fit was very fine , said you must have.080 clearance , I was lucky to get .040. .Got me wondering about the "spark issue" Guess we'll see if I burst into flames any time soon.. They come with spacers and new bolts to go into the wheel cyl. Looked weak to me if anything did go, but I guess better than nothin'.. __________________ *"Came too close to dying to stop living now!"*

02-27-2013, 09:47 PM	#35
quickchange34 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: charlottesville, Va. Posts: 589	Re: Brake Drum Retainers I have made a few sets. I have them on my 34 roadster and my 34 three window. I drive both of my cars alot. Both of my cars have Lincoln brakes. The bolt holes are different and they are futher down on the backing plate. You can make them out of some 2x4 steel tubing with a 3/16 wall. You only need a piece 4 inches long for each rear backing plate. You will have to make a pattern and cut and drill the tubing to size.

09-11-2013, 02:36 AM	#40
Pete Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wa. Posts: 5,409	Re: Brake Drum Retainers At the insistence of the customer, I have installed several sets in the past. I never used them on any of my cars that had original type rear ends. I always used the weld on ring type. A little more work to install but far more reliable and safer. Also, once installed, you can remove the hub faster and much easier than with the clips.