Champion 3X Spark plug drawings and pictures

[FL&WVMIKE]

Originally Posted by Dick So. Cal.

Great collection of Champion plugs. Maybe some new info will come of them.

Dick

Dick So. Cal. .........................
I surely hope so !
I didn't, actually, collect all these spark plugs. I, kind of, stumbled into them. Years ago, I was "picking" an old building that had been part of a junk yard, that had closed a little after WWII. I "rescued" about half a bushel of three piece, brass top spark plugs. Most of them were V8 Flathead plugs. Back during the Depression, a lot of people had to go to junk yards, to buy their spark plugs. I had separated them by number, but had not cleaned them. I spent a couple hours cleaning these, one day, and a bit of time organizing and photographing them for this thread, the next day.
I'm sure hoping for more information !
The old shipping case, I bought at a farm auction, in West Virginia years ago, for a little of nothing.
Thanks,
MIKE

[FL&WVMIKE]

Does anyone have a chart, or know of someone, who might have a Champion Spark Plug Company Chart that would list these plugs ?
MIKE

[FL&WVMIKE]

I am concluding that NOBODY can offer any information on these odd "A" Model plugs.
Is that right ?
MIKE

[Marco Tahtaras]

Originally Posted by FL&WVMIKE

I am concluding that NOBODY can offer any information on these odd "A" Model plugs.
Is that right ?
MIKE

A Champion catalog from the era would should provide the usage possibilities. Unfortunately that has not been on my priority list so I still don't have one.

[RonC]

Originally Posted by FL&WVMIKE

I am concluding that NOBODY can offer any information on these odd "A" Model plugs.
Is that right ?
MIKE

Mike ,

Champion made and makes plugs for probably every manufacturer's equipment applications. Some of the supply references from Champion to Ford with plugs other than the X, 3 and 3X plugs used on the T's and A's could have been for Ford's experimental use and also for other Ford engines such as tractors and airplane engines etc.

Try the spark plug collectors of america. I'm sure someone there has information on early champion plugs and applications. www.spcoa.net

[Fred]

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[QUOTE=FL&WVMIKE;308284]I am concluding that NOBODY can offer any information on these odd "A" Model plugs.
Is that right ?
MIKE
As stated, In your pictures, You only have three Plugs that were used by FORD in the Model "A".. Just because the others may fit the hole, that does NOT make them Original to the MODEL A AA.. Many other Co. also made plugs that could be used also, just like today...

[Mike V. Florida]

There seems to me be be a couple different things here.

1) Plugs that were installed at Ford when the cars were built.
2) Plugs that would fit the Model A during the time the cars were built.
3) Plugs that were\are available that fit the Model A.

[FL&WVMIKE]

[QUOTE=Fred;308400]

Originally Posted by FL&WVMIKE

I am concluding that NOBODY can offer any information on these odd "A" Model plugs.
Is that right ?
MIKE
As stated, In your pictures, You only have three Plugs that were used by FORD in the Model "A".. Just because the others may fit the hole, that does NOT make them Original to the MODEL A AA.. Many other Co. also made plugs that could be used also, just like today...

FRED ...................
What do you have that explaines the "FORD" and "FORD-A" spark plugs in the "A" Model size ?
MIKE

[RonC]

The "Ford A" plug means it fits the Model A Ford. Probably a 3X plug sold in stores during or after the Model A production years. The fact of it's existance does not prove it was used by Ford during production. I would think the fact that it states "Ford A" would versus 3X would make me believe it was intended for sale to the general public.

[FL&WVMIKE]

Originally Posted by RonC

The "Ford A" plug means it fits the Model A Ford. Probably a 3X plug sold in stores during or after the Model A production years. The fact of it's existance does not prove it was used by Ford during production. I would think the fact that it states "Ford A" would versus 3X would make me believe it was intended for sale to the general public.

RonC .............................
I have a feeling that you are right about this. The plugs marked, "FORD" or "FORD A", would make it easy for the every day guy, to know that he had the correct spark plug for his Model "A" Ford.
Surely, there must be some advertising on these, out there somewhere.
Thanks,
MIKE

[Fred]

[QUOTE=FL&WVMIKE;308534][QUOTE=Fred;308400]

FRED ...................
What do you have that explaines the "FORD" and "FORD-A" spark plugs in the "A" Model size ?
MIKE The ones you show in the pictures are "NOT" in the Model "A" size, or even close.. Those cores will "NOT" even fit in the correct Model "A" 3X base assy..

[Fred]

Originally Posted by FL&WVMIKE

RonC .............................
I have a feeling that you are right about this. The plugs marked, "FORD" or "FORD A", would make it easy for the every day guy, to know that he had the correct spark plug for his Model "A" Ford.
Surely, there must be some advertising on these, out there somewhere.
Thanks,
MIKE

If the every day guy put the plugs you show in his Model "A" he would "NOT" have the correct plug in it.. As stated, Just because they FIT does not make it the right ones..

[FL&WVMIKE]

Originally Posted by Fred

If the every day guy put the plugs you show in his Model "A" he would "NOT" have the correct plug in it.. As stated, Just because they FIT does not make it the right ones..

FRED ................
What RonC and I were refering to, is during the days of every day driving of the "A" Model Ford. The guy, needing new plugs for his "A", would not care if they were "correct" of not.
MIKE

[Fred]

[QUOTE=FL&WVMIKE;308576]FRED ................
What RonC and I were refering to, is during the days of every day driving of the "A" Model Ford. The guy, needing new plugs for his "A", would not care if they were "correct" of not.
MIKE [ RIGHT, ????????

[Ian in Mississauga]

I'm fascinated by this thread, especially after Mike's pictures. I have been searching high and low for a booklet I knew I had from Champion. Alas, it doesn't list all their plugs, it only lists all cars and taxis made in the USA from 1920 to 1950 and the appropriate Champion plug in the day plus the modern [1974] equivalent.e.g. C = W14, C-1 = W18 etc. It appears that no other car maker used 3X except Ford but there are dozens of applications for C-4.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Ian in Mississauga

I'm fascinated by this thread, especially after Mike's pictures. I have been searching high and low for a booklet I knew I had from Champion. Alas, it doesn't list all their plugs, it only lists all cars and taxis made in the USA from 1920 to 1950 and the appropriate Champion plug in the day plus the modern [1974] equivalent.e.g. C = W14, C-1 = W18 etc. It appears that no other car maker used 3X except Ford but there are dozens of applications for C-4.

That is just what I & others have been saying all along, But he thinks just because they FIT, they are correct !!! "NOT"

[FL&WVMIKE]

Originally Posted by Fred

That is just what I & others have been saying all along, But he thinks just because they FIT, they are correct !!! "NOT"

FRED ...................
I don't know where you get any of your information. Especially, where, you stated that I think they are correct, just because they fit. ???????
Please state your sorce of information in any future posts.
Thank you,
MIKE

[mot]

champion 3s were used before the model A They added the X for the model As
champion made spark plugs for all cars
for example the 3s were used in Cunninghams,Stewarts,clevelands,Dodges,Marmons,Mit chells,Rollins,Oaklands,
Stars,Ajax,etc
they do not list the ones with ford script in this chart
tom

[Marco Tahtaras]

I'm surprised this thread is still active!

Ok, I'll add a little more. If you study the plugs you will find the Champion 3 and 3X you will find the only difference is the markings on the porcelain. I don't know but suspect the 3X was a Ford exclusive. It was certainly marketed strictly for the Ford car (four cylinder) at least into 1932. The Champion 3 was marketed for all other cars and trucks that required the same plug. Both Ford and Champion had a lot at stake in maintaining market share of service parts for more than 4.5 Million Model A's put on the road. The 3X plug was a marketing distinction. There was no other purpose in creating a special marking for the already existing Champion 3.

For some reason folks seem to think just because a plug will screw into a Model A head it must be for a Model A! There were thousands of different makes and models of cars and trucks built in the 20's and early 30's that required spark plugs.

Anyone out there that has era catalogs (1929-32) with usage listings of Champion plugs should be able to add to, or correct what I've said here.

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by FL&WVMIKE

FRED ...................
I don't know where you get any of your information. Especially, where, you stated that I think they are correct, just because they fit. ???????
Please state your sorce of information in any future posts.
Thank you,
MIKE

Mike,

If I am not mistaken, I do not believe Fred said such a thing (Did you Fred?)...I think Fred is refering to someone else (Were you not Fred)?????

Pluck