The Ford Barn

roccaas · 02-05-2011, 07:21 PM

Various pics I've picked up over the years.

V4F · 02-05-2011, 07:35 PM

i have ask ryan twice for a speedster catagory , but no answer ..............
steve .............. F.A.S.T.

hardtimes · 02-05-2011, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve norcal

i have ask ryan twice for a speedster catagory , but no answer ..............
steve .............. F.A.S.T.

steve,
As we keep getting reminded by unnamed others, Ryan's answer is in the header,i.e. - this site is for stock/original model As(whatever stock/original..is

, other than trailer queens!).

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 02-06-2011, 08:33 AM

....and to "muddy-up" the waters, by true definition from "back in the day", the term "Speedster" was a built up automobile that uses a hand-made body or aftermarket body.

For example, these two cars below are Speedsters by definition...

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And these two cars are NOT speedsters by true definition...

Generally the reason that Speedsters have been accepted by the Model A and Model T clubs is because of the mindset that the bodies/sheetmetal were not being destroyed. Naturally there are exceptions but that was kinda the mindset. I'm not real sure the "traditional hot rod" was ever really a true tradition as seen on HAMB.

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Personally, I have no problem discussing Speedsters here however I prefer not to discuss Hot Rods (cars with V8s, chopped tops, etc.). If it came down to it, I would embrace not speaking about Speedsters here too if it eliminates talking about hot rodded Model A's. Just my opinion, ...and your mileage will vary!! (And I am not picking on anyone elses cars in the pix above as all four of these cars are mine.)

FL&WVMIKE · 02-06-2011, 11:34 AM

steve norcal, roccaas ........................
Go ahead and start a "Speedster" Thread. If Ryan did not approve, he would have said so.
I, for one, would enjoy it !
MIKE

old1928fordguy · 02-06-2011, 11:45 AM

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Bring it on ! If it is a speedster thread,labeled as such,others would not have to open the posts and read it.Most of us only read the books we want and watch the TV shows we want thus we dont have to enjoy the speedster threads if we dont want to.

Mike · 02-06-2011, 11:49 AM

This is my 1928 speedster with a 32 B engine in it

mike

Tom Wesenberg · 02-06-2011, 12:44 PM

Mike, that's a nice looking seat. Did you make it? Any details? Thanks

Ross/Kzoo · 02-06-2011, 12:54 PM

My speedster is a 28 with 5.5 head and petronix ignition, no other mods. A fun car to drive and the the grandkids love it.

just plain bill · 02-06-2011, 12:55 PM

I read "The Ford Barn"> General Discussion> Model A 1928-31. The only limits I see is that the subject is to be the Model A ford and I would assume that to include all of its variations. There are people with what they call "High point cars", " Restored," "Daily drivers," "Beaters," and so on and so forth. Speedster is a term not used back in the day (when was that?) We had "puddle jumpers" "dune buggy's" We had "cut down" cars sometimes made of surplus parts, just something to drive down the dirt roads and alley's of that time. Maybe just roar around the barn until parents,neighbors and others complained of dust and noise. Then in the late 20 Th. century came a new form of stripped (cut) down "A"'s called "Speedster's" (Not really well known until the advent of the S O S S) These cars were/are painted and for the most part finished well. It is a form of expression of how some enjoy the look and feel of racing with out all of the expense but the cars are usually finished and well maintained. I remember when I came home after my Army service in the mid 50's and took the body off of the roadster pick up I now own to clean and paint the frame. not to restore just to clean it up. Well, I rigged a gas tank on it and had a "cannery" box for a seat and away I went, what a thrill, driving on a freshly graded dirt road. Dump the clutch in second and hang on to the steering wheel with a "white knuckle" grip sitting on that box. Just me, the frame, running gear and engine. I guess I' m trying to say I feel there is room for all if it applies to "A"'s If I want to discuss strictly 4 banger hot rods I go to the HAMB but I feel that is different than the individual inquiring here as to the possibility and/or the advisability of attempting to increasing power and roadability of their "A"'s. Damn, I'm getting old and I guess it shows.

Mike · 02-06-2011, 01:33 PM

Tom, I bought this car in 2001 from a good friends wife, when he passed away. Dave Baldwin was his name, the car was complete but not functional. i redid alot of the mechanicals but to answer your question the seat was on the car and I have no idea were it came from.

mike

hardtimes · 02-06-2011, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just plain bill

I read "The Ford Barn"> General Discussion> Model A 1928-31. The only limits I see is that the subject is to be the Model A ford and I would assume that to include all of its variations. There are people with what they call "High point cars", " Restored," "Daily drivers," "Beaters," and so on and so forth. Speedster is a term not used back in the day (when was that?) We had "puddle jumpers" "dune buggy's" We had "cut down" cars sometimes made of surplus parts, just something to drive down the dirt roads and alley's of that time. Maybe just roar around the barn until parents,neighbors and others complained of dust and noise. Then in the late 20 Th. century came a new form of stripped (cut) down "A"'s called "Speedster's" (Not really well known until the advent of the S O S S) These cars were/are painted and for the most part finished well. It is a form of expression of how some enjoy the look and feel of racing with out all of the expense but the cars are usually finished and well maintained. I remember when I came home after my Army service in the mid 50's and took the body off of the roadster pick up I now own to clean and paint the frame. not to restore just to clean it up. Well, I rigged a gas tank on it and had a "cannery" box for a seat and away I went, what a thrill, driving on a freshly graded dirt road. Dump the clutch in second and hang on to the steering wheel with a "white knuckle" grip sitting on that box. Just me, the frame, running gear and engine. I guess I' m trying to say I feel there is room for all if it applies to "A"'s If I want to discuss strictly 4 banger hot rods I go to the HAMB but I feel that is different than the individual inquiring here as to the possibility and/or the advisability of attempting to increasing power and roadability of their "A"'s. Damn, I'm getting old and I guess it shows.

Hello Bill,
AMEN to that! What 'shows' ...is your your vast experience and tolerance!! Thanks for sharing is here...now please show a pic of your winning speedster.

Sparky · 02-06-2011, 01:58 PM

Back in may I started a Speedsters social group but it doesn't get much posting. I guess the problem is that you have to remember to check up on it from time to time. Anyway, here's a couple more pics of mine:

Brent · 02-06-2011, 02:13 PM

I've collected everything, except an engine block, for a A chassis-based "speedster" although I'm hesitant to call it a Speedster since that's a term I feel is more for T-chassis cars. Once I get the chassis completed, I'm going to build a wooden pattern (buck) and do an aluminum body.

Perhaps, if it's okay with the boss, I'll do a build thread here.

The photoshopped picture below is something that really inspires me.

It'll get fenders and an external brake lever, along with a round tank.

just plain bill · 02-06-2011, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardtimes

Hello Bill,
AMEN to that! What 'shows' ...is your your vast experience and tolerance!! Thanks for sharing is here...now please show a pic of your winning speedster.

The car was built to be Lakes Modified. It IS a hot rod! My grandson was the driver this year, 3rd. generation to drive it. First photo is 2nd and 3rd generations. It DOES have a Model A engine!

Dale Miller · 02-06-2011, 04:13 PM

My Avatar pix is my speedster.
when I first built it , it did not have fenders
but my wife refused to ride in it with open wheels
so it now has fenders and running boards!!

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 02-06-2011, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just plain bill

The car was built to be Lakes Modified. It IS a hot rod! My grandson was the driver this year, 3rd. generation to drive it. 1 st. photo is 2nd and 3rd generations. It DOES have a Model A engine!

Bill is right, it IS a Hot Rod and not a Speedster as evidenced by the cut up 26/27 body. Just because he doesn't remember the term Speedster being used doesn't suggest we should re-write history to change the name to Hot Rod.

just plain bill · 02-06-2011, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Bill is right, it IS a Hot Rod and not a Speedster as evidenced by the cut up 26/27 body. Just because he doesn't remember the term Speedster being used doesn't suggest we should re-write history to change the name to Hot Rod.

You know I think that some people who post on here are just too serious. I don't recall insinuating that my car is/was a speedster. I stated it is a hot rod. I would ask "Are there no speedsters with "cut up" bodies on them? In my earlier post I commented that when I was younger I don't recall the term Speedster used regarding a model A unless it was used as an adjective. I do recall model T speedsters or more common "Run-a-Bouts" I remember Mercury Speedster bodies for "T"s but do not remember bodies called Speedsters for model "A"'s. I don't doubt the term could have been used predating its use in the S O S S magazine. I remember guys cutting up "A"'s to build the original "dune buggies" or "doodle bugs" and offering us "A" guy's the fenders and doors if we would take them off of the car for them. Is a car with inserts, high compression head, new counterbalanced crank, and electronic ignition with centrifugal advance any less of a hot rod? Each of those modifications as applied to the "A" were for the most part developed by the then hot rod crowd. Each item increases the performance although cannot be seen. I find this is very tiring and again ask if the forum is for all model "A" enthusiasts? I like the post that stated in so many words "If you are not interested in it don't go there". I apologize in advance to all of those I have offended today, those with high point cars and those with beaters. To all with speedsters, I'm not really trying to change the name of your car.

Mike V. Florida · 02-06-2011, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just plain bill

I read "The Ford Barn"> General Discussion> Model A 1928-31. The only limits I see is that the subject is to be the Model A ford and I would assume that to include all of its variations. .

Not true,

Once again I quote the owner of the site, the guy who put his hard earned money down for a site different then the HAMB site that he also owns.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan on 05-09-2010, 09:59 AM

We will stay focused on restoration over here. Hot rods and customs are for the hamb.

I asked about a modified section when this site first opened and was told "The modified section wasn't used much on the old Ford Barn and with the HAMB, became redundant."

There are hundreds of site that have information on Hot Rods and modified cars there are only about 5 that deal with stock.

Milton · 02-06-2011, 08:07 PM

This line of discussion is probably closer to "real life" talk between Edsel and Henry back in the day. We all know how the senior Ford put the auto within reach of the masses with his use of mass production. However, Henry Ford's attitude practically killed the Company also. In fact, were it not for Edsel Ford, we might be discussing the restoration of Chevrolets.

Wiki - "After becoming president of Ford, Edsel long advocated the introduction of a more modern automobile to replace the Model T, but was repeatedly overruled by his father. Flagging sales and dwindling market share for the company, however, finally made introduction of a new model inevitable, the Model A."

"In 1932 he [Edsel] had an aluminium, boat-tailed speedster automobile custom-designed for him by Ford's first designer, E.T. (Bob) Gregorie. This car had a number of features that were not available on any other car. Most of the design features appeared in many Ford models throughout history. The car had Ford's brand-new V8, the first low-cost eight-cylinder engine. The car is considered the world's first "Hot Rod" by many car experts and historians, and one of the most desired automobiles in history."

So in essence, I feel that Henry created the Ford but, I'll give credit to Edsel for the Model A that we all care so much about, even if he was just a hot rodder at heart.

just plain bill · 02-06-2011, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

Not true,

Once again I quote the owner of the site, the guy who put his hard earned money down for a site different then the HAMB site that he also owns.

I asked about a modified section when this site first opened and was told "The modified section wasn't used much on the old Ford Barn and with the HAMB, became redundant."

There are hundreds of site that have information on Hot Rods and modified cars there are only about 5 that deal with stock.

I stand corrected, I should have written "I have seen"

ratamahata · 02-06-2011, 11:14 PM

My collection!

Jim Huseby · 02-07-2011, 06:26 PM

My speedsters bodies are old news, but here are some pictures

zzlegend · 02-07-2011, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just plain bill

The car was built to be Lakes Modified. It IS a hot rod! My grandson was the driver this year, 3rd. generation to drive it. First photo is 2nd and 3rd generations. It DOES have a Model A engine!

Gotta tell you Bill,,,,,,,,,I like that Hot Rod. Fine job.
And just to keep it serious here for those that get to serious,,,,i am in the process of trying to put togther a speedster right now.

Sparky · 02-07-2011, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Huseby

My speedsters bodies are old news, but here are some pictures

I love boat-tails!

Mike V. Florida · 02-07-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky

I love boat-tails!

Done right they are a beauty, done wrong and they look like hell. At least to me.

Bruce · 02-08-2011, 10:14 AM

Here is a picture of my favorite.

ratamahata · 02-08-2011, 07:17 PM

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George Miller · 02-08-2011, 09:06 PM

Here is a picture of my hill climb speedster.

ratamahata · 02-08-2011, 11:14 PM

More speedsters pics

old1928fordguy · 02-09-2011, 12:42 AM

Here are a few more.I hope the photos work! enjoy Phil T.

ratamahata · 02-09-2011, 01:08 AM

Nice pictures old1928fordguy... the first pics showing this beautiful boattail speedster with aluminum body, I love this boattails bodies, but in my opinion they looking good in a lowers cars, the stock model A it´s so high for that bodies....

Glenn Billqvist from Sweden was build a typical 1920s racer, he did use a Bugatti body (except for the radiator). The chassis is standard Ford Model A, fitted with Buick drums. The Engine is a Ford A (G28T) with an Ardun head (Over head Valve) and dual Stromberg 81´s. The power should be in a range of 110-120 HP.
Click in the link below to see the article
http://allride.skynetblogs.be/archiv...billqvist.html

Glenn speedster

a bugatti pic for a comparison

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Bruce in southern OH · 02-09-2011, 08:12 AM

Southern OHIO Speedsters

kenparker · 02-09-2011, 11:15 AM

It is cold and mizerable outside so today is a good day to play on the 'puter. Wind about 20mph, 24 degrees and sleet coming down.

One of the fun things about building speedsters is the no rules part. If you dont like what you created, mess it up and start over. Here are some pix of the Miss E starting with partial construction. The girl in the driver seat, Elizabeth - grandaughter, is a future driver/owner. Tried the 19" wheel look and did not like it so back to 16"s. The last pix is her under current reconstruction - lowering the tail with more slope, cutting the sidewalls lower for easier entry and a better look and adding more slope to the windshield. Also trying to get some of the sheet metal wrinkles out.

Next project is a new speedster - more of the long sleek look -Bugatti (sp) look.

Wick · 02-09-2011, 02:35 PM

Comming along 1 piece at a time.

Wick · 02-09-2011, 02:39 PM

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../342847742.jpg
This speedster was in the Great American Race years ago. Built in Va.Beach.
Wick

shooter54 · 02-09-2011, 02:43 PM

i for one really love the looks of a tastefully done speedster.

i'm sure ryan will chime in if he doesn't approve of a speedster thread.

Brent · 02-09-2011, 02:55 PM

That white A speedster is really sharp.

Brubaker · 02-09-2011, 11:00 PM

I just can't get this pic to flip around. Too bad, it's a really nice speedster(not mine).

Jay Ess · 01-07-2012, 08:36 PM

Bump...

Ross/Kzoo · 01-07-2012, 09:25 PM

This is for Brubaker :

spdway1 · 01-07-2012, 10:57 PM

Who can REASONABLY build a speedster body, not a kit, not a boat tail. I called one guy and he said "Are you sure you want to put that kind of money IN A MODEL A".
Some how we got disconnected!

Purdy Swoft · 01-07-2012, 11:29 PM

Heres mine

denis4x4 · 01-07-2012, 11:30 PM

When I got ready to license the yellow speedster in my avatar, I made copies of ads in the SOSS and pointed out that these "speedster" bodies were available from Ford dealers. The CHP inspector asked for copies of the ads and issued the license on the spot.

I would point out to those that think Model A's should be pure as the driven snow that aftermarket performance parts were available over the counter at Ford dealers for the last 100 years. I have a copy of the 1931 ad touting the availability of the Stromberg-Bendix downdraft manifold from selected Ford dealers.

There are lots of facets to this hobby. Open your minds to other points of view regarding aftermarket equipment available from 1928 to 1931 at Ford dealerships

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 01-08-2012, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denis4x4

When I got ready to license the yellow speedster in my avatar, I made copies of ads in the SOSS and pointed out that these "speedster" bodies were available from Ford dealers. The CHP inspector asked for copies of the ads and issued the license on the spot.

I would point out to those that think Model A's should be pure as the driven snow that aftermarket performance parts were available over the counter at Ford dealers for the last 100 years. I have a copy of the 1931 ad touting the availability of the Stromberg-Bendix downdraft manifold from selected Ford dealers.

There are lots of facets to this hobby. Open your minds to other points of view regarding aftermarket equipment available from 1928 to 1931 at Ford dealerships

Yes, there are a few certain ads out there that were promoting to the dealer to sell performance items geared towards the commercial business (AA truck power-adders) however do you have an original advertisement that verifies these speedster bodies were indeed authorized to be sold by a Ford dealership? My thought is with 'Photoshop' anything can be published, and I have never read in any of these Ford letters or SB that substantiates that. Kinda like I am sure moonshine was probably sold at a few dealerships as a "power adder" for their customer however I am not so sure these were considered "authorized".

Giving benefit of the doubt, I think it would be fun to restore a Model A that had original performance equipment installed when it left the dealership however does anyone actually have any original documentation (photo, letter, invoice, etc.) showing a new vehicle leaving the factory or the dealership with a Zephyr manifold w/ a Stromberg, a dual-point distributor, a Winfield or Riley 2P head, and exhaust headers? It is easy for some folks to get the definition of "restore", and "re-create" confused, isn't it??

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David Conwill · 01-08-2012, 08:20 AM

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How do I define a speedster?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigcheese327

speed·ster /'spidst?r/ noun: a hot rod that is allowed to go on tours with restored cars of the same type because it doesn't look any newer than them.

-Dave

This one is awesome:

-Dave

2935ford · 01-08-2012, 08:57 AM

Pardon my ignorance and maybe this has been answered here before..........

Did Model A's ever get raced and if so, in speedster form? Does anyone have vintage pictures of them?

I have never seen a vintage pic of a Model A in speedster form at any race.

kenparker · 01-08-2012, 09:07 AM

Update on the "Miss E". She has some new sheet metal, new paint, new additions/upgrades to engine - that part is secret

, and a better attitude. ken

kenparker · 01-08-2012, 09:13 AM

Update on the "Miss E" . She has some new sheetmetal, new paint, and upgrade on engine

. Also go a better attitude. Ken

Jay Ess · 01-08-2012, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2935ford

Pardon my ignorance and maybe this has been answered here before..........

Did Model A's ever get raced and if so, in speedster form? Does anyone have vintage pictures of them?

I have never seen a vintage pic of a Model A in speedster form at any race.

This is one link that I had saved in my favorites as it has photos of early Speedsters of all types racing at a local track in Kansas.

http://winfield.50megs.com/BoStearns.htm

This is one of my favorites from the site

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 01-08-2012, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Ess

This is one link that I had saved in my favorites as it has photos of early Speedsters of all types racing at a local track in Kansas.

http://winfield.50megs.com/BoStearns.htm

This is one of my favorites from the site

THAT picture of Hughes' car is actually what was called a 'Big Car' during this period. It was never really referred to, --or called a speedster back then.

Chris Egsgaard's similar car & hauler, both Model T based recently sold for what was speculated over $100k for the pair. The reason was they were actual race vehicles and not something that was re-created with 21st century mindset.

2935ford · 01-08-2012, 10:00 AM

Thanks.
I like the carrier for that race car!
Anyone else have vintage Model A speedster pics.

I'm curious as to the beginnings of the "A" speedsters.
Did somebody just design this platform up for sales purposes? Anyone know the reason or original beginnings?
I have never heard the story behind them.
Seems to me....by the early 30's there were a lot more bigger, powerful race engines out there than the A banger and it would be a tough arena for it to compete in.

Purdy Swoft · 01-08-2012, 11:34 AM

The Trojan dual updraft manifold was introduced in 1930 or 31. This manifold is listed in the book Those wonderful unauthorized parts for the model A Ford. I don't know if this part could have been bought and installed at the Ford dealer or not, but it is quiet possible. This manifold is made of cast iron and is not reproduced. I believe it is kind of rare, I have seen them in pictures, but in over fifty years playing with model A's, this is the only one that I have ever seen in person. It was quiet a thrill when I was able to buy this part and install it on my roadster.

denis4x4 · 01-08-2012, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Yes, there are a few certain ads out there that were promoting to the dealer to sell performance items geared towards the commercial business (AA truck power-adders) however do you have an original advertisement that verifies these speedster bodies were indeed authorized to be sold by a Ford dealership? My thought is with 'Photoshop' anything can be published, and I have never read in any of these Ford letters or SB that substantiates that. Kinda like I am sure moonshine was probably sold at a few dealerships as a "power adder" for their customer however I am not so sure these were considered "authorized".

Giving benefit of the doubt, I think it would be fun to restore a Model A that had original performance equipment installed when it left the dealership however does anyone actually have any original documentation (photo, letter, invoice, etc.) showing a new vehicle leaving the factory or the dealership with a Zephyr manifold w/ a Stromberg, a dual-point distributor, a Winfield or Riley 2P head, and exhaust headers? It is easy for some folks to get the definition of "restore", and "re-create" confused, isn't it??

.

Brent, I would refer you to a couple of books available from Amazon; The Merchants of Speed and The Business of Speed, 1915-1998. Both of these books talk about the distribution of aftermarket speed equipment for A's and T's through Ford new car dealerships. A lot of the parts available were in limited supply given the economic times then. I have a Stromberg-Bendix downdraft manifold on one of my cars. I also have an original CRAGAR head circa 1935 on the same engine. And yes I know that that's a B engine!

I'll bet money that 50 years from now, A guy displaying a 2011 Mustang with genuine Ford SVO parts on the engine will get bonus points!

Mikeinnj · 01-08-2012, 12:13 PM

How about a "Speedster FORUM" far and away from this site which is dedicated to the restoration of stock original Model A Fords......Amen.

HoarseWhisperer · 01-08-2012, 12:24 PM

From Model A Day 2009, Sharon, Wisconsin

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 01-08-2012, 12:25 PM

Mike, I would embrace that, ...and would participate in that area. I own speedsters and have raced Model A's in several different venues. Therefore I like them alot and would promote it too, ...but I also think we should all follow the current forum rules. Maybe you or someone could petition Ryan with what your vision for that area would/could be??

Denis, I was thinking the Model B was a 1932 ...NOT a 1935. Why would the Ford dealer be selling a Cragar unit in 1935 or 1936?

Mikeinnj · 01-08-2012, 12:29 PM

Most home built speedsters look like modified tractors. They really look awful....this one pictured is an exception and a fine example of a nice looking era speedster and happens to be owned by a friend of mine.

HoarseWhisperer · 01-08-2012, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeinnj

How about a "Speedster FORUM" far and away from this site which is dedicated to the restoration of stock original Model A Fords......Amen.

What a wonderful idea! I don't have any Speedsters, but......

All those in favor of Mikeinng taking charge of developing a "Speedster FORUM" far and away from this site, say "Aye".

Brian LI · 01-08-2012, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeinnj

Most home built speedsters look like modified tractors. They really look awful....

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

How about we at least agree that we ALL love Model A's regardless of their condition.

Jay Ess · 01-08-2012, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeinnj

How about a "Speedster FORUM" far and away from this site which is dedicated to the restoration of stock original Model A Fords......Amen.

Let's not cut off our nose to spite our face. I am a long time Atomic Industries fan and supporter. While I am a recent member of The Barn, I am one of the original members of The Garage Journal (pre-Ryan) and an Alliance member since joining in 2007. I was a lurker on the HAMB for many years before joining.

Rule 1. Don't piss off Ryan by flagrantly breaking the rules of each forum.

That does not mean that Ryan and the moderators do not allow some leeway on the sites, but if you have been warned to stop, then stop.

Ryan has also been very open to suggestions regarding social groups, etc.. We don't quite fit at the HAMB as our cars are not really traditional rods or customs, and we are not really 100% welcome at The Barn as it has always been a site for for the care and restoration of stock autos (especially the A and T sections).

Maybe if we ask nicely, there may be an area somewhere in Ryan's sandbox that we will be allowed to play and discuss Speedsters. If you wish, I will take the point on this. js

Jay Ess · 01-08-2012, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian LI

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

How about we at least agree that we ALL love Model A's regardless of their condition.

Well said Brian. I have seen that Speedster at Lead East and IMHO it does not look like any tractor I have ever seen, and it was driven to the event.

HoarseWhisperer · 01-08-2012, 04:11 PM

While traveling through Virginia (or was it North Carolina?), we passed this one, only to meet again at the MARC Membership Meet in St Augustine.

Mike V. Florida · 01-08-2012, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeinnj

How about a "Speedster FORUM" far and away from this site which is dedicated to the restoration of stock original Model A Fords......Amen.

I too would visit such a forum as I also visit all the other forums on Fordbarn and visit HAMB as well.

spdway1 · 01-08-2012, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeinnj

How about a "Speedster FORUM" far and away from this site which is dedicated to the restoration of stock original Model A Fords......Amen.

What is the definition of stock original Model A Fords?

spdway1 · 01-08-2012, 08:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeinnj

Most home built speedsters look like modified tractors. They really look awful....

Calling someone's car awful

...Bad Idea, not nice!

If your not interested in a certain topic in the forum skip over it, don't read it. Thats an easy fix to your problem.

spdway1 · 01-08-2012, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdway1

What is the definition of stock original Model A Fords?

An aftermarket temp gauge radiator cap?

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 01-10-2012, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdway1

What is the definition of stock original Model A Fords?

Whose term is "stock original"? The definition of 'stock' in your sentence would likely be the adjective version meaning "ordinary". The definition of "original" would come for its root word which means "the point in which something begins". For something to be ordinary, it must mean it is "common" or of many, ...which the term original has the connotation that it is the first one by which others will copy. Maybe "Restored" was the word you were seeking a definition of...?

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spdway1 · 01-10-2012, 10:02 PM

Brett,
If you go to post #65, It was a direct quote from MikeInNJ.
Don Jr

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 01-10-2012, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordgarage

Professor Terry,
Will the next test be open-book?
Thanks

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Huckster Dave · 01-11-2012, 12:25 AM

So Doodle bugs, Hucksters, Picoupes, Snow buggies, and Tractor conversions should not be mentioned here?

modeleh · 01-11-2012, 12:41 AM

This thread reminds me of the old fordbarn.

dumb person · 01-11-2012, 02:33 AM

j/k

Brad in Germany · 01-19-2012, 09:02 PM

Here is an original era photo of a Speedster in Sweden:

Fordially,
Brad in Germany now in Maryland

Jay Ess · 02-24-2013, 07:15 PM

bump!

Tinbasher · 02-24-2013, 08:13 PM

I've got to get my Sports Coupe finished so I can build a Speedster. Just looks like fun. the Old TInbasher

Pete · 02-24-2013, 08:25 PM

Model A frame, body and engine.

http://s183.beta.photobucket.com/use...04358.mp4.html

Purdy Swoft · 02-24-2013, 11:14 PM

Here is a different view of my speedster.

Purdy Swoft · 02-24-2013, 11:19 PM

Here is the engine. it runs a 5.9 head, Winfield cam, cast iron uniflo dual updraft manifold with dual B carbs, Mallory dual point distributor and other mods.

RockHillWill · 02-25-2013, 08:14 AM

I really like this post. There are a lot of beautiful cars and some great ideas.

My project is progressing, but slower than anticipated, but here are some pics of what has been done to date.

Body2.jpg

3wc91 013.jpg

3wc91 011.jpg

3wc82 012.jpg

3wc42 032.jpg

3wc75 007.jpg

3wc40 009.jpg

usered · 02-25-2013, 08:56 AM

I would love a speedster thread. I don't consider them hot rods as long as they are based on the model A or T running gear.

Cape Codder · 02-25-2013, 11:33 AM

On post #80 by RockHillWill he talks of pictures, but all I see are small icons. I see this type of icon often on other posts. I am signed in to site but still unable to open these pictures. Why?

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 02-25-2013, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cape Codder

On post #80 by RockHillWill he talks of pictures, but all I see are small icons. I see this type of icon often on other posts. I am signed in to site but still unable to open these pictures. Why?

Well then, go to his personal website and view the progress there.
http://www.mantiquesresto.com/Projects/Speedster/SpeedsterHome.html

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Cape Codder · 02-25-2013, 04:11 PM

Brent,
Thanks for sending the website. I wanted to learn how I could view the pictures myself. Like I said all I see are several blue icons. I have seen it on opera posts and was unable to view the pictures. Can you tell me how?

CarlG · 02-25-2013, 04:18 PM

For me, the pictures that are shown as thumbnails show up both at home and at work. All the other pictures only show up at home. Must be something in the firewall at work.

48fordnut · 12-08-2013, 06:50 PM

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really neat pics and conversation.

Paranoid · 09-07-2014, 10:43 PM

Am I too late?
Been a while since anyone has posted to this thread...
Hello everyone..
Im a newb..
Long time follower..
Recent member...
1st time poster..

Here is my Speedster build.

I cant figure out my youtube pic URL's.. but here is the slide show it created...I hope!

1923 Model T Speedster
http://youtu.be/XsAJEM7--VI

Purdy Swoft · 09-08-2014, 12:50 PM

Great slide show that gives lots of ideas !!!!!!!

Spokes · 09-08-2014, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V4F

i have ask ryan twice for a speedster catagory , but no answer ..............
steve .............. F.A.S.T.

Please Ryan !!!

RobertB · 09-09-2014, 06:37 PM

Just a quick question....thought I might get away with it on this thread, rather than start a new one and get invited to go to the HAMB.

Anyone ever do an "underslung" conversion? Looks like a great way to lower the frame for a speedster.

Pros? Cons?

Inquiring minds want to know....

02-05-2011, 07:21 PM	#1
roccaas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 1,300	How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Various pics I've picked up over the years. __________________ 20 years ago we had Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs, and Bob Hope. Now we have no Cash, no Jobs, and no Hope...please don't let Kevin Bacon die!

02-05-2011, 07:35 PM	#2
V4F Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ca. Posts: 2,522	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? i have ask ryan twice for a speedster catagory , but no answer .............. steve .............. F.A.S.T. __________________ V4f

02-06-2011, 08:33 AM	#4
BRENT in 10-uh-C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eastern Tennessee Posts: 11,519	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? ....and to "muddy-up" the waters, by true definition from "back in the day", the term "Speedster" was a built up automobile that uses a hand-made body or aftermarket body. For example, these two cars below are Speedsters by definition... . . And these two cars are NOT speedsters by true definition... Generally the reason that Speedsters have been accepted by the Model A and Model T clubs is because of the mindset that the bodies/sheetmetal were not being destroyed. Naturally there are exceptions but that was kinda the mindset. I'm not real sure the "traditional hot rod" was ever really a true tradition as seen on HAMB. . Personally, I have no problem discussing Speedsters here however I prefer not to discuss Hot Rods (cars with V8s, chopped tops, etc.). If it came down to it, I would embrace not speaking about Speedsters here too if it eliminates talking about hot rodded Model A's. Just my opinion, ...and your mileage will vary!! (And I am not picking on anyone elses cars in the pix above as all four of these cars are mine.) __________________ . BRENT in 10-uh-C . www.model-a-ford.com ...(...Finally Updated!! ) .

02-06-2011, 11:34 AM	#5
FL&WVMIKE Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Daytona Beach, Fl & Spencer, W. Va, Posts: 4,442	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? steve norcal, roccaas ........................ Go ahead and start a "Speedster" Thread. If Ryan did not approve, he would have said so. I, for one, would enjoy it ! MIKE

02-06-2011, 11:49 AM	#7
Mike Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ASTON, PA. Posts: 725	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? This is my 1928 speedster with a 32 B engine in it mike

02-06-2011, 11:45 AM	#6
old1928fordguy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denver Posts: 106	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Bring it on ! If it is a speedster thread,labeled as such,others would not have to open the posts and read it.Most of us only read the books we want and watch the TV shows we want thus we dont have to enjoy the speedster threads if we dont want to.

02-06-2011, 12:44 PM	#8
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Mike, that's a nice looking seat. Did you make it? Any details? Thanks

02-06-2011, 12:55 PM	#10
just plain bill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 397	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? I read "The Ford Barn"> General Discussion> Model A 1928-31. The only limits I see is that the subject is to be the Model A ford and I would assume that to include all of its variations. There are people with what they call "High point cars", " Restored," "Daily drivers," "Beaters," and so on and so forth. Speedster is a term not used back in the day (when was that?) We had "puddle jumpers" "dune buggy's" We had "cut down" cars sometimes made of surplus parts, just something to drive down the dirt roads and alley's of that time. Maybe just roar around the barn until parents,neighbors and others complained of dust and noise. Then in the late 20 Th. century came a new form of stripped (cut) down "A"'s called "Speedster's" (Not really well known until the advent of the S O S S) These cars were/are painted and for the most part finished well. It is a form of expression of how some enjoy the look and feel of racing with out all of the expense but the cars are usually finished and well maintained. I remember when I came home after my Army service in the mid 50's and took the body off of the roadster pick up I now own to clean and paint the frame. not to restore just to clean it up. Well, I rigged a gas tank on it and had a "cannery" box for a seat and away I went, what a thrill, driving on a freshly graded dirt road. Dump the clutch in second and hang on to the steering wheel with a "white knuckle" grip sitting on that box. Just me, the frame, running gear and engine. I guess I' m trying to say I feel there is room for all if it applies to "A"'s If I want to discuss strictly 4 banger hot rods I go to the HAMB but I feel that is different than the individual inquiring here as to the possibility and/or the advisability of attempting to increasing power and roadability of their "A"'s. Damn, I'm getting old and I guess it shows.

02-06-2011, 01:33 PM	#11
Mike Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ASTON, PA. Posts: 725	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Tom, I bought this car in 2001 from a good friends wife, when he passed away. Dave Baldwin was his name, the car was complete but not functional. i redid alot of the mechanicals but to answer your question the seat was on the car and I have no idea were it came from. mike

02-06-2011, 04:13 PM	#16
Dale Miller Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 20	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? My Avatar pix is my speedster. when I first built it , it did not have fenders but my wife refused to ride in it with open wheels so it now has fenders and running boards!!

02-06-2011, 08:07 PM	#20
Milton Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 837	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? This line of discussion is probably closer to "real life" talk between Edsel and Henry back in the day. We all know how the senior Ford put the auto within reach of the masses with his use of mass production. However, Henry Ford's attitude practically killed the Company also. In fact, were it not for Edsel Ford, we might be discussing the restoration of Chevrolets. Wiki - "After becoming president of Ford, Edsel long advocated the introduction of a more modern automobile to replace the Model T, but was repeatedly overruled by his father. Flagging sales and dwindling market share for the company, however, finally made introduction of a new model inevitable, the Model A." "In 1932 he [Edsel] had an aluminium, boat-tailed speedster automobile custom-designed for him by Ford's first designer, E.T. (Bob) Gregorie. This car had a number of features that were not available on any other car. Most of the design features appeared in many Ford models throughout history. The car had Ford's brand-new V8, the first low-cost eight-cylinder engine. The car is considered the world's first "Hot Rod" by many car experts and historians, and one of the most desired automobiles in history." So in essence, I feel that Henry created the Ford but, I'll give credit to Edsel for the Model A that we all care so much about, even if he was just a hot rodder at heart.

02-08-2011, 07:17 PM	#28
ratamahata Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Argentina Posts: 710	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Uploaded with ImageShack.us

02-09-2011, 01:08 AM	#32
ratamahata Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Argentina Posts: 710	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Nice pictures old1928fordguy... the first pics showing this beautiful boattail speedster with aluminum body, I love this boattails bodies, but in my opinion they looking good in a lowers cars, the stock model A it´s so high for that bodies.... Glenn Billqvist from Sweden was build a typical 1920s racer, he did use a Bugatti body (except for the radiator). The chassis is standard Ford Model A, fitted with Buick drums. The Engine is a Ford A (G28T) with an Ardun head (Over head Valve) and dual Stromberg 81´s. The power should be in a range of 110-120 HP. Click in the link below to see the article http://allride.skynetblogs.be/archiv...billqvist.html Glenn speedster a bugatti pic for a comparison Uploaded with ImageShack.us Last edited by ratamahata; 02-09-2011 at 01:19 AM.

02-09-2011, 08:12 AM	#33
Bruce in southern OH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Proctorville Posts: 1,582	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Southern OHIO Speedsters

02-09-2011, 02:39 PM	#36
Wick Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gwynn's Island Va Posts: 1,389	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../342847742.jpg This speedster was in the Great American Race years ago. Built in Va.Beach. Wick

02-09-2011, 02:43 PM	#37
shooter54 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 69	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? i for one really love the looks of a tastefully done speedster. i'm sure ryan will chime in if he doesn't approve of a speedster thread. __________________ ESTRANGED CC

02-09-2011, 02:55 PM	#38
Brent Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 141	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? That white A speedster is really sharp.

01-07-2012, 08:36 PM	#40
Jay Ess Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: L.I. N.Y. Posts: 83	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Bump... __________________ *Old School Aficionado...* H.A.M.B. Alliance Member

01-07-2012, 10:57 PM	#42
spdway1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Chicopee, MA Posts: 1,402	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Who can REASONABLY build a speedster body, not a kit, not a boat tail. I called one guy and he said "Are you sure you want to put that kind of money IN A MODEL A". Some how we got disconnected!

01-07-2012, 11:29 PM	#43
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Heres mine

01-07-2012, 11:30 PM	#44
denis4x4 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Durango CO Posts: 1,309	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? When I got ready to license the yellow speedster in my avatar, I made copies of ads in the SOSS and pointed out that these "speedster" bodies were available from Ford dealers. The CHP inspector asked for copies of the ads and issued the license on the spot. I would point out to those that think Model A's should be pure as the driven snow that aftermarket performance parts were available over the counter at Ford dealers for the last 100 years. I have a copy of the 1931 ad touting the availability of the Stromberg-Bendix downdraft manifold from selected Ford dealers. There are lots of facets to this hobby. Open your minds to other points of view regarding aftermarket equipment available from 1928 to 1931 at Ford dealerships

01-08-2012, 08:57 AM	#47
2935ford Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 1,013	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Pardon my ignorance and maybe this has been answered here before.......... Did Model A's ever get raced and if so, in speedster form? Does anyone have vintage pictures of them? I have never seen a vintage pic of a Model A in speedster form at any race.

01-08-2012, 09:07 AM	#48
kenparker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Van, Texas Posts: 1,122	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Update on the "Miss E". She has some new sheet metal, new paint, new additions/upgrades to engine - that part is secret , and a better attitude. ken

01-08-2012, 10:00 AM	#52
2935ford Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 1,013	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Thanks. I like the carrier for that race car! Anyone else have vintage Model A speedster pics. I'm curious as to the beginnings of the "A" speedsters. Did somebody just design this platform up for sales purposes? Anyone know the reason or original beginnings? I have never heard the story behind them. Seems to me....by the early 30's there were a lot more bigger, powerful race engines out there than the A banger and it would be a tough arena for it to compete in.

01-08-2012, 11:34 AM	#53
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? The Trojan dual updraft manifold was introduced in 1930 or 31. This manifold is listed in the book Those wonderful unauthorized parts for the model A Ford. I don't know if this part could have been bought and installed at the Ford dealer or not, but it is quiet possible. This manifold is made of cast iron and is not reproduced. I believe it is kind of rare, I have seen them in pictures, but in over fifty years playing with model A's, this is the only one that I have ever seen in person. It was quiet a thrill when I was able to buy this part and install it on my roadster. Last edited by Purdy Swoft; 09-08-2014 at 11:08 AM.

01-08-2012, 12:13 PM	#55
Mikeinnj Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern New Jersey Posts: 1,262	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? How about a "Speedster FORUM" far and away from this site which is dedicated to the restoration of stock original Model A Fords......Amen.

01-08-2012, 12:25 PM	#57
BRENT in 10-uh-C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eastern Tennessee Posts: 11,519	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Mike, I would embrace that, ...and would participate in that area. I own speedsters and have raced Model A's in several different venues. Therefore I like them alot and would promote it too, ...but I also think we should all follow the current forum rules. Maybe you or someone could petition Ryan with what your vision for that area would/could be?? Denis, I was thinking the Model B was a 1932 ...NOT a 1935. Why would the Ford dealer be selling a Cragar unit in 1935 or 1936? __________________ . BRENT in 10-uh-C . www.model-a-ford.com ...(...Finally Updated!! ) .

01-10-2012, 10:02 PM	#69
spdway1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Chicopee, MA Posts: 1,402	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Brett, If you go to post #65, It was a direct quote from MikeInNJ. Don Jr

01-11-2012, 12:25 AM	#71
Huckster Dave Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Ronan, Montana Posts: 158	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? So Doodle bugs, Hucksters, Picoupes, Snow buggies, and Tractor conversions should not be mentioned here?

01-11-2012, 12:41 AM	#72
modeleh Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nanaimo BC Posts: 242	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? This thread reminds me of the old fordbarn.

01-11-2012, 02:33 AM	#73
dumb person Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South pacific island Posts: 1,724	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? j/k Last edited by dumb person; 01-11-2012 at 02:34 AM. Reason: pointing this out as a joke because some people are far too serious

01-19-2012, 09:02 PM	#74
Brad in Germany Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Potomac, Maryland Posts: 911	Original era Speedster photo Here is an original era photo of a Speedster in Sweden: Fordially, Brad in Germany now in Maryland

02-24-2013, 07:15 PM	#75
Jay Ess Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: L.I. N.Y. Posts: 83	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? bump! __________________ *Old School Aficionado...* H.A.M.B. Alliance Member

02-24-2013, 08:13 PM	#76
Tinbasher Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Innisfil, Ontario Canada Posts: 1,174	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? I've got to get my Sports Coupe finished so I can build a Speedster. Just looks like fun. the Old TInbasher

02-24-2013, 11:14 PM	#78
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: How about a Speedster Picture Thread? Here is a different view of my speedster.