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Old 05-04-2013, 08:37 AM   #1
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Default How to pull a Model A engine - step by step

I did a search with no luck. Maybe too much information.

I can probably figure it out but if it's out there somewhere, whay not benefit from the experience and/or mistakes of others?

Can anyone point me to a link/website/thread? Pulling the engine and trans as one unit from a 1931 Roadster.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:54 AM   #2
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i have only helped with 5 or 6 pulling and installings, but i can say, it is not practical to try and pull them out attached (engine and transmission) seems one would have to pull the body completely off to achieve this.

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you might want to buy Les Pearson's book "The complete Model a ford instruction manual"

snyder's antique auto parts, and other suppliers have them, they are a little pricey; 69.+ shipping.

or les andrew's book
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You need to obtain this manual
Model A Ford Mechanics Handbook Vol 1 by Les Andrews
http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/Books/ABooks/2167
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I used the Andrews book when I pulled mine, nice directions and some illustrations.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:59 PM   #6
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I didn't need no stinking book! 3 hours invested and ready to pull it tomorrow!
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:11 PM   #7
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I didn't need no stinking book! 3 hours invested and ready to pull it tomorrow!
wow 3 hrs and its not out yet....
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:54 PM   #8
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I also prefer to pull the engine and tranny seperately, if the body is on the frame.

The engine I installed a couple weeks ago was a tight fit because the owner didn't want to remove the headlight bar. I don't understand some people, as it only takes minutes to remove the bar, and it gives so much more room.
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I didn't need no stinking book! ...
Well, you know, I didn't have "no stinking book" when I pulled my first Model A engine. But that was 56 years ago and I was 15. If there was a book then I would have had it. A couple years later, I overhauled a Merc-o-matic transmission -- with the aid of a Motors Repair Manual. That wasn't rocket science either, but it sure made the job easier.

I actually thought he was asking for somewhere to find directions on how to do it. I guess I was wrong.
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I can probably figure it out but if it's out there somewhere, whay not benefit from the experience and/or mistakes of others?
I suspect you are going to "benefit" from your own experience and mistakes.

My father used to say, "There are four ways to do something: my way; your way; the wrong way; and the right way. Sometimes these overlap."

Good luck; let us know how you do.

And thank you, Jeff, for your comment.
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I suspect he was being facetious. Didn't I read somewhere that the normal time for an experienced person is under an hour?
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Old 05-05-2013, 03:55 AM   #12
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My book is called "The Complete Model 'A' Ford Restoration Manual". Contact Mike's Affordable Parts.
The retail price is set by the retailer, not me.
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I didn't need no stinking book! 3 hours invested and ready to pull it tomorrow!
You the man!! Instructions are for sissies!!
Send me the parts you have left over when your done.
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When I got my first Harley the first thing I bought for it. Was the factory service manual, one of the best in the world. Same with any vehicle I get into, 2 or 4 wheels. And when I sell any vehicle I always keep the manuals. Because I know I will need them again.

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I removed my engine and transmission as a unit this past winter. I also had the benefit of several guys from our club helping me since they had done this before. Took about 2.5 hours since they were teaching me as we went along (they are great guys!) sharing their techniques for removing the hood, light bar, headlight wiring, etc. It took a bit longer to reinstall the engine/transmission and put everything back together. I found that removing the front bumper gave us more room to maneuver the engine hoist. A frame spreader was very helpful to gain that needed 1/8th of an inch or so to allow the engine to slip right into the rear engine mounts. For all the other reinstallation actions working by myself, I had the Les Andrews book by my side which was very helpful.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:23 AM   #16
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I didn't mean to offend the Forum or Les.....as I recall, I used a line out of a Cheech and Chong movie. "I don't need no stinking ______", I just added the "book". I guess it lost it's humor in the translation.

I always appreciate the recommendations and comments of this and all forums. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked the question.

BTW, I did order the book from Amazon. I know there is something in there I will need for reassembly!

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some photos at the link

http://jmodela.coffeecup.com/enginepull.html
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When I read your post, I suspected that was an idle stab at humor. That is a good line, used it lots myself, it does not translate well in text. Good luck and keep us posted
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As I mentioned earlier, I think it's easier to remove the engine by itself, but either way, be sure to remove the throttle cross linkage first, and keep track of the brass shims under the two mounting ears.
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Having had the pleasure of pulling the engine on my Model A more than once (as I’m certain many – if not most - other FordBarner’s have) I read this thread with passing interest. Accordingly, I apologize (in advance) for the following detour:

FWIT (probably not much) the “Stinkin’ badges” line originated in the 1927 novel The Treasure of the Sierra Madre by B. Traven (which was the pen name of the German author Ret Marut) and was later popularized in the 1948 film of the same name, staring Humphrey Bogart (who never made a bad movie), Walter Huston and Tim Holt. The director was John Huston, Walter Huston’s son.

In the novel, the line was (further apologies for the language): “Badges, to g**-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don’t need badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you g**--damned cabron and c***** tu madre!”

In the movie, the line – spoken by the character Gold Hat played by Alfonso Bedoya, one of the great and largely unheralded Mexican character actors who appeared in roughly 175 Mexican films and a great many US films - became “Badges? We ain’t got no badges. We don’t need no badges. I don’t have to show you any stinkin’ badges.” The character Gold Hat was later executed by Mexican Federales (but not for saying this line).

The rest – as with the line “Play it again, Sam” (another often misquoted line, this time from Casablanca, another great Bogart movie) – is history, and generally misquoted as “We don’t need no stinkin’ badges/books/seat belts/etc.”

In fact the line has become so widely used (in its misquoted format) that the list of such use is legend, and includes Blazing Saddles, WKRP in Cincinnati, Stephen King’s novel It, and so on (although I didn’t note any reference to Cheech and Chong).

Just something to reflect on while taking a break with your Model A engine (hopefully sans transmission, as recommended by others) suspended in mid-air…
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When we removed my engine it was hard enough with just the engine only watching that you don't hit anything. We bumped the front pulley and broke it. I could'nt imagine doing it with the transmission on. The town sedan body was on the car.
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i have pulled my own , by myself to many times . pull the motor first , then the trans . DO NOT forget the 2 bolts hidden by the wishbone !!
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http://youtu.be/VqomZQMZQCQ check this out...LOL
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Thanks Tom, those are the kind of tidbits I was hoping to get from this post.


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http://youtu.be/VqomZQMZQCQ check this out...LOL
That is one great all-time scene right there.
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Skip, I saw that humorous/facetious element in his post immediately (it must a joisey thing!) And I recognised it from the movie! It's been used many times, many ways to illustrate arrogance on someone's part. That scene is one of my favorite, in one of my all time favorite movies, I just wish it turned out better in the end.
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Having had the pleasure of pulling the engine on my Model A more than once (as I’m certain many – if not most - other FordBarner’s have) I read this thread with passing interest. Accordingly, I apologize (in advance) for the following detour:

FWIT (probably not much) the “Stinkin’ badges” line originated in the 1927 novel The Treasure of the Sierra Madre by B. Traven (which was the pen name of the German author Ret Marut) and was later popularized in the 1948 film of the same name, staring Humphrey Bogart (who never made a bad movie), Walter Huston and Tim Holt. The director was John Huston, Walter Huston’s son.

In the novel, the line was (further apologies for the language): “Badges, to g**-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don’t need badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you g**--damned cabron and c***** tu madre!”

In the movie, the line – spoken by the character Gold Hat played by Alfonso Bedoya, one of the great and largely unheralded Mexican character actors who appeared in roughly 175 Mexican films and a great many US films - became “Badges? We ain’t got no badges. We don’t need no badges. I don’t have to show you any stinkin’ badges.” The character Gold Hat was later executed by Mexican Federales (but not for saying this line).

The rest – as with the line “Play it again, Sam” (another often misquoted line, this time from Casablanca, another great Bogart movie) – is history, and generally misquoted as “We don’t need no stinkin’ badges/books/seat belts/etc.”

In fact the line has become so widely used (in its misquoted format) that the list of such use is legend, and includes Blazing Saddles, WKRP in Cincinnati, Stephen King’s novel It, and so on (although I didn’t note any reference to Cheech and Chong).

Just something to reflect on while taking a break with your Model A engine (hopefully sans transmission, as recommended by others) suspended in mid-air…
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Quote: "In the movie, the line – spoken by the character Gold Hat played by Alfonso Bedoya, one of the great and largely unheralded Mexican character actors who appeared in roughly 175 Mexican films and a great many US films - became “Badges? We ain’t got no badges. We don’t need no badges. I don’t have to show you any stinkin’ badges.”

From "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" one of the greatest scenes ever.
Alfonso Bedoya makes a great trivia question as many people remember the lines but few remember the actor!
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This one from Blazing Saddles cracks me up.

http://youtu.be/TFwprS_L6tg
Slim Pickens is one of the greats in that movie... and many other movies.
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