Engine rebuild cost

[billy myers]

frank ezold franks model a garage westfield mass. does all the above with a warrentee

[Mike V. Florida]

I heard that the problem has been solved, Money will be returned and an additional amount will be given for the lack of core that can be returned.

Here is what I have been told happened when I asked him for his side of the story I left out his first name on purpose;

Hi Mike
I have replaced first engine.He condemned before he even tried it. I have offered to refund his original cost & shipping and either replacement core or $300.00 short block core charge. A standard in business today is customer returns product. The business issue's refund. I would like to get product back before refund is issued.
This was my last e-mail to him

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Richard Falluca <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi J*****
I understand you do not want to try second engine.
I have only refunded money for three engines in my 35 plus years. I am here to work with you.
First engines must be returned to us. Returning product before getting refund is a standard any business. There is no practice of getting refund then returning product. I have offered to pay shipping to and from you. I also stated I will not pay additional services. Additional services are not the norm in business. I will assist you with BOL and arrange at your convenience for pick up. The first engine can be set on and affixed to top of crate for you convenience. After I receive engines with gasket set. I will send refund. I understand there is a problem with first engine the second engine should be returned as sent in prime condition as sent. I also will refund the original crating charge and not charge for crating on second engine. Crating charges are not refundable as stated in http://www.antiqueenginerebuilding.com/shipping.htm
I have enclosed a copy of warranty as I stated the liability is of engine only. I am willing to refund our core charge of $300.00 this is our short block core charge.
Thanks
Rich

Mike feel free to post. I do not post on FORDBARN
Thanks VERY MUCH
Rich

[JJCunningham]

Mike V. Florida, it is true that I didn't spend $600 installing an engine with soldered cracks. Would you? Also, since the details of our agreement is out, would you agree to the above settlement knowing that the whole debacle cost you more than $1000 in labor charges that you won't get refunded?

I'm not denying that he fulfilled his warranty. I'm saying you have an engine rebuilder who is sending out soldered blocks a repair technique that is dubious at best according to the 6 experts I've asked to look at these repairs. (We've since discovered 2 more soldered cracks, one in the valve chamber which has also failed).

There comes a time to cut bait and not throw good money after bad. I took the advice of all the mechanics and tech experts I consulted (again, 6 of them, each with 30-45 years of experience, including one that even Rich consults with) and did not pay to install an engine with soldered cracks.

Judge for yourself from the photos, would you pay to install either of these engines?

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/album.php?albumid=2866

[Ten1nis]

Originally Posted by 1931 flamingo

Ten1nis: Enlighten me. What is the difference between "remanufactures" and a rebuilt?? Short or long blocks or both?? Their block or would they "remanufacture" mine??
Paul in CT

This is abroad subject, but generally speaking, a rebuilt engine is cleaned, inspected and worn or broken parts are replaced. Serviceable parts are reused within manufactures acceptable wear tolerances. Remanufactured engines are made as close to new as possible. Most wearable parts are automatically replaced. All core material is closely inspected and checked against original equipment specifications for correct dimensional tolerances. Testing is performed to manufacturer specifications and original production standards. Jasper engines are remanufactured are built to original specifications that are equal to or more exact than those used by Ford during production. All engines are thoroughly tested.

Only long blocks provided by the customer.

Worth a look.

[J and M Machine]

Originally Posted by Ten1nis

This is abroad subject, but generally speaking, a rebuilt engine is cleaned, inspected and worn or broken parts are replaced. Serviceable parts are reused within manufactures acceptable wear tolerances. Remanufactured engines are made as close to new as possible. Most wearable parts are automatically replaced. All core material is closely inspected and checked against original equipment specifications for correct dimensional tolerances. Testing is performed to manufacturer specifications and original production standards. Jasper engines are remanufactured are built to original specifications that are equal to or more exact than those used by Ford during production. All engines are thoroughly tested.

Only long blocks provided by the customer.

Worth a look.

I did a search on Jasper after i had a restoration house say they were sending a 40 Cadillac to them. Well 6 weeks into it and no response of how the engine work is.
I hadn't heard that Jasper did antique engines other than 350 Chevy and Fords.
I googled them and they are on "Ripoff report" you have to be really poor customer service to reach that level.

Clearly to the restoration house I mentioned above it's all about the money, how much they can skim off the engine work for their profit.
Most aren't interested in doing a good job as they get the labor again when the engine comes back. It will.

[sethkestenbaum]

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Lenny,
I've had contact with J&M several times. The the owner has an impressive shop and extensive knowledge. I toured his shop in Mass last winter (a video is on my blog) and have kept in touch with him. I'm happy to make an introduction if you like.
Seth

[Ray64]

Just got my engine did by Duane Roach in OHIO for $2800 long block build and it runs fantastic

[Mike V. Florida]

While the rebuilder offered to settle this there is still time and materials associated with the work done. What if he paid to have the engine installed and removed?

As a matter of fact how much time and how much do you think one should pay a professional for having an engine removed, installed, and removed again?

[Cooperw1]

I have a 1930 coupe with a 1931 engine in need of rebuild. While I'm in west central Florida, I visit my Dad in Hendersonville, NC regularly and it appears that Dreamwerks is close by. Is it worth dropping the engine off in person to save the shipping?

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Cooperw1

I have a 1930 coupe with a 1931 engine in need of rebuild. While I'm in west central Florida, I visit my Dad in Hendersonville, NC regularly and it appears that Dreamwerks is close by. Is it worth dropping the engine off in person to save the shipping?

For sure it would be worth it, plus you'll save having to crate it and find the shipper.

[BlueSunoco]

Yes and it won't get lost and damaged I'd definitely take it myself Coop PLUS that would give you an excuse to see Jim's shop and what is going on there!!

[Cooperw1]

That sounds like a plan. Thanks to both of you. A little personal endorsement goes a long way.

Once I get all the fluids out, I should be able to lay the engine down on it's side for the journey, yes? That's what I remembered doing when I bought a rebuilt engine from a guy in West Virginia when I was living in Tidewater Virginia. Laid it down in the back of a VW Rabbit diesel pick-up and spent a whole lot of time in the truck climbing lanes getting home.
-Coop

[Tom Wesenberg]

Lay it on an old tire so you don't damage the oil fill pipe, or the oil return pipe.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Cooperw1

I have a 1930 coupe with a 1931 engine in need of rebuild. While I'm in west central Florida, I visit my Dad in Hendersonville, NC regularly and it appears that Dreamwerks is close by. Is it worth dropping the engine off in person to save the shipping?

'Mike' will likely be by here directly (he was workin' on an old Model-T this morning tryin' to get it to drive right.

Personally I would call him and see what your options are. He may have a core to exchange with you so that you drop off your engine and pick-up a rebuilt one at the same time. The other thing I would consider is shipping it to him and then pick it up completed in person if you are limited on time. I know from my own experiences, it costs around $150 to have truck freight ship an engine. You probably can visit your Pop for less expenses than shipping.

[modelAtony]

Originally Posted by Cooperw1

I have a 1930 coupe with a 1931 engine in need of rebuild. While I'm in west central Florida, I visit my Dad in Hendersonville, NC regularly and it appears that Dreamwerks is close by. Is it worth dropping the engine off in person to save the shipping?

I don't have one of james [ dreamworks] engines but I know some guys that have his engine. I have never herd 1 bad thing about this builder , only good. I think you would be very pleased with his work .. Have fun modelAtony tony white Lafayette, LA