TIG welder recomendations

[rockfla]

Any recommendation's on a "First Time" shop TIG welder???? Anyone have Eastwoods 200 machine???

[Zeke3]

I recently watched a couple of Youtube videos about some inexpensive TIG/stick welders that looked interesting. I will look for them and post a link if I find them again.

I am interested in seeing the response you get regarding this topic.

[Ronnie]

Do you have a dollar limit established. That is a big factor.


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[rbone]

I use a Miller 215 Multiprocess machine. Yes, they are costly, but it works very well. If the look of the weld is not important, less expensive machines will do.

[Ronnieroadster]

I prefer the Miller welders. Depending on what you hope to do and how much you will weld as well as if you decide to weld aluminum a good sized machine in the end is a better way to go. You mention the word shop in your post if its a home shop the smaller welder will do but if you decide to weld heaver materials the small welder will be a big disappointment. A bigger welder will weld smaller material the opposite is not true with the small machines.
Ronnieroadster

[rockfla]

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Let me clarify a few things


SHOP: Just for my home use, on my projects, mostly 18ga sheet metal, the occasional cracked bracket support or for fab-ing up something for my cars!!! NOT a production/everyday business use!!!


Bigger machines: I have a 50amp Lincoln MIG machine now....I think its capable of up to 5/8" steel which is WAY more than I will ever face!!! SO I have this machine as well!!!



Budget: As always as cheap as I can BUT as much as it takes to get a good performer!!!! I was watching the video on the Eastwood TIG 200, its $699 right now and reading some of the reviews.....I was thinking at that price that's pretty do-able!!!!

[Krylon32]

I have a liquid cooled Miller Tig about 10 years old that replaced another Miller that just got to old to get parts for. My welder needs a liquid cooled machine because when he starts to finish weld a chassis it's continuous for 4-5 hours.

[51 MERC-CT]

Have had an Eastwoods Tig 200 AC/DC for a number of years.
It's like anything unfamiliar in that you have to use it to find out how.
I have always had good results on Aluminum, steel and stainless.
The only thing is that when I got mine it did not come with Gas lens/diffuser tips.
That's what you should get for better gas diffusion if you choose to buy the unit.

[Ziggster]

I'm in the same boat. Would be a nice to have, but prices (even used) have kept me away. Got me a cheap Chinese plasma cutter (220V), and it has been great. Cut up a buddies entire Land Cruiser in a matter of hours.

[Pete]

Spend the money to get something bigger than you anticipate using.
Look at it this way, whether you like it or not, as soon as you get a welder, your friends will be coming around to "get something quick tacked together". This is good but tell them the consumables are expensive and you have to charge them for that but you won't charge for your time and labor. Eventually, your new welder will be paid off.
A quick tip; while you are learning to weld stay away from jobs that might involve liability.

[fortyfords]

I got one of those old Gold Star 300 tig/stick welders when TWA was bought out by AA, AA had to have new stuff to work with. Those old welders have only one moving part but they are 850 lbs and take up some space. They aren't expensive but just don't have some of those nice new features like pulsing etc. They have a water cooled torch so they are made to weld all day long and the tungsten stays like new all day. Work great in my hobby shop

[39portlander]

Go check out welding tips & tricks.com, Miller/Lincoln/ect. dah skills are in dah hands as my old welding instructor youstah say

I'm a fairly good Mig guy and have a Miller, they just had a good deal and 6mo interest free financing @ the time so I went with them.

If I need TIG I have a great resource and they use Miller, good luck and let us know how you make out.

[deuce5wndw]

I have a Miller mig and when I wanted a tig I looked hard at the miller. I had gotten to the point I have a hard time seeing what I'm doing through a shade 10 lens so i looked at the Cobra torch for sheet metal work. I love it and I use a shade 5 flip up lens on my shop glasses so I can see!! I think with the regulators and torch kit it was comparable with what you are looking at. This is what worked for me but your mileage may vary.
Dale

[cas3]

The big older machines are cheap and will likely outlast any of the new fangled stuff. some say the new inverter types weld easier, but the old welders work just fine. I bought an old miller Dialarc HF, air cooled torch and long leads, foot pedal, with regulator for 500.

[deuce_roadster]

I have an older Airco Idealarc TIG machine that was used on building a nuclear powerplant that never operated in this state. Got it really cheap with a full large bottle of argon. The nuke cooling towers are visible from the highway but they never produced a watt of energy. The nice thing is that the welder was certified regularly. Has copper windings, an 845 lb machine that welds really nicely.
A note to Rockfla- don't expect to instantly be a great TIG welder. It takes a lot of practice even if you are a good all around welder. For me, it was hard to break old gas welding habits when it seemed to be getting too hot, I would pull back and lose the arc. Get yourself a cheap belt sander to put new points on your tungsten that is not used for anything else. Have fun learning!

[JWL]

I have both Lincoln and Miller TIG machines. I thought the Miller was great until I used the Lincoln and immediately bought it. There is that much difference. For me a foot pedal is essential especially for magnesium and aluminum welding and the high frequency start is great for some precise steel and stainless jobs where scratch starting is less desirable.

I agree with those who suggest obtaining the best machine you can afford. The newer Inverter machines offer many likeable welding characteristics worth looking at.

And finally it is a learned skill to become proficient. In most cases those with MIG only experience have a longer learning curve.

[Scotty's 52 F3]

I have an HTP inverter TIG. 10 year so far and no issues. Made in Italy though. Bought it from USA Weld. Great support if you need it. Never found a bad review. Well, when I was shopping. I haven't looked in 10 years.

[cas3]

For sharpening the tungsten I bought a 4" diamond coated thing from harbor freight, originally intended for sharpening saw blades. Its mounted on the outside of a bench grinder stone, so you still have the stone, but on the side is the diamonds to finish grind your point. cheap, works good

[flatmotor40]

I have a old Hobart cyber tig 300 amp ac/dc.You need to get a ac/dc if you need it.I trade a Miller econo tig to a friend even a few years ago.The only trouble is nobody now days knows how to work on these old machines if something happens.All use old one are going bu the way side.As for sharpen your tungsten I bought the Eastwood Tungston sharpener and it really works great Got it for$75 on sale.You can only use it for that.Get the most amp you can so you can weld aluminum if you need it.Like transmission ears and stuff

[Frank Miller]

Wray got an Everlast machine and it has worked quite well. Here he is teaching Jac to weld aluminum. What is nice about the TIG is you can fusion weld and control the heat with the pedal when on continuous.

If you plan on teaching yourself there are a lot of videos and articles about it. I've found I need to keep the torch moving and out of the puddle. A good comfortable welding position is essential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RXW_zAbMLQ

[Hal Beatty]

Originally Posted by cas3

The big older machines are cheap and will likely outlast any of the new fangled stuff. some say the new inverter types weld easier, but the old welders work just fine. I bought an old miller Dialarc HF, air cooled torch and long leads, foot pedal, with regulator for 500.

This ^^^

I have 3 Lincoln welders in the garage; only one I bought new was a MIG unit. I picked up an old Square Wave 175 TIG machine complete with 2 bottles, the regulator, a stand and a welding bench for $1k a couple of years ago. Works great! So I'd keep my eyes open for a good used machine.

Also, if you do get a TIG, spend the money and get a GOOD helmet. I bought a Miller and it made a lot of difference...

[Yoyodyne]

+1 on an old transformer machine if you can find one. My big machine is a Lincoln TIG 300/300 I bought new in 1977, it's still the best for very small welds, goes down to 2A, I welded a ball onto a broken off 4-40 screw this winter to back it out of it's hole, the hardest part was seeing it. And it goes up to 375A. Has never missed a beat in it's life. My everyday machine is a TIG 250/250 from the 80s because it runs quieter. You can buy both of those at giveaway prices and there is precious little to fail in them, no solid state and no circuit boards. Newer machines are nicer for aluminum because of square wave technology and pulsing for thin stuff, seriously consider square wave if you want to weld aluminum, it makes a good welder out of a mediocre one. Inverters are not necessary unless you want to carry it like a suitcase, and come with shorter lifespans and higher repair costs. +1 for a beltsander to sharpen tungstens, and get a quality helmet sooner or later. Get a small torch like a #9 air cooled or #20 water cooled, a big torch makes small work exhausting.

[Tinker]

Rockfla I don't know anything about the eastwood tig like you asked. I have 175 Lincoln tig. It'll weld most everything thick and thin. I agree with the statement about getting a very good helmet. You don't want to keep flipping it up and down. Buy the eastwood and a miller helmet and let us know how it goes. It'll probably get it done for you. Lincoln and miller will be around, I'm thinking, for quite awhile if anything goes wrong and you need parts.

[cmbrucew]

Good light, good eyesight, and a steady hand are as important as cleanliness to weld Tig. For heavy aluminum castings use aluminum electrodes on your stick welder.


Bruce

[cas3]

yoyodyne said it all right there. The old machines have a lot of off the shelf components. the simple parts that might fail are common electrical parts available from many sources. modern machines are designed so that when a circuit board, or anything else, fails, its a specific part only available from the manufacture, for big money. My old Millermatic 35 mig welder needed a contact switch a few years ago. Miller said it was not available, ( buy a new welder?) . Its a contact switch, the concept has not changed in about 80 years. Your air compressor has one, your furnace has one, and they are on ebay, old us made units for about 35 bucks. I found one the correct amp rating, but i had to change the terminal ends. For the most part, the big parts, like transformers are way over built, and usually dont fail

[Tinker]

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just replaced my lincoln mig welder liner for about 30$ off ebay. been using a big roll of .35 wire for a lot of yrs and it was getting some unwanted oxidation.

[Gene1949]

bought a Lincoln Electric Squarewave TIG 200 a couple of years ago. Enough electronics to make me look good like (back in the day when I could see, hold my body still and think straight).
Multi process and a great duty cycle for the average auto enthusiast/home fabricator.

[Yoyodyne]

Adding - I have a Lincoln 175 Squarewave in my personal shop, it's perfect for most car hobby stuff, and very simple to set up. I think the equivalent new machine is a Squarewave 200

[totto]

I have a Miller 215 as mentioned earlier and very pleased. My son is a welding engineer for Chrysler and that is what he recommended. Both Miller and Lincoln make very good welders. Price is a big factor as well.

[wga]

Miller or Lincoln, both are excellent. Support from local dealers. http://www.fresnooxygen.com/

[Wrenchead]

I have a Miller mig. So far no real reason to buy a Tig. I too am having trouble seeing out of my HF helmet. Any suggestions on what to buy?

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by Wrenchead

I have a Miller mig. So far no real reason to buy a Tig. I too am having trouble seeing out of my HF helmet. Any suggestions on what to buy?

I bought a top of line Miller auto darkening helmet when my old Miller went south after 30 years.

I'll get the model number, but it's great. Many different shading options and super clear vision.

[john in illinois]

I use a Speedglas helmet. It is very light and comfortable. I have had it for several years.
Model 9002V.
John

[tubman]

I have a top of the line Hobart "Auto-Darkening" helmet. I was having a problem with it and went to see a friend of mine who is a union pipe-fitter and can weld rust to air. At his suggestion, I purchased an inner lens that matched the bifocals on my glasses and it helped immensely. I had tried welding with and without my glasses and had problems. Also, replace he outer shield lens as more often than you'd like. Th at also helps.

Before I bought the Hobart, I had a cheap Northern Tool aut helmet. I really should go back and try that with the magnifying lens and a new outer lens and see what happens.

All I need is the time.

[OldGold360]

Miller TIG gets my vote and Speedglas for the helmets.

[Bored&Stroked]

Before you head down the path, make sure you add up ALL the costs. You'll need an Argon bottle, you'll need an Argon gas regulator, you'll need a good torch, you'll need a good helmet, etc..

You'll find that all the accessories are as much (really more) than the cost of the original machine (in the lower cost area of the market). Also, consider what exactly will you be welding? I have a Miller Maxstar (does not do aluminum). The reason I chose it was because I really thought about what aluminum parts I'd be welding? About the only things are castings and big pieces of billet - and if I have a set of cylinder heads or a transmission case that needs welding, I'll bring it to somebody who does it ALL YEAR LONG - I can't afford to "get good" via screwing up expensive parts. In the last 15 years, I've only needed to have aluminum welded about 5 times - and I have Professional welder friends to handle those occasions.

Learning to be proficient at TIG takes good equipment (and a good helmet), a good comfortable place to sit and weld and really good part setup - and a lot of practice before you get into anything suspension oriented or where there are safety concerns. You need to understand heat penetration, proper setup, proper tungsten selection and prep, proper rod material and size selection, etc.. Lots of things that all need to come together to enable you to create strong, functional and aesthetically pleasing welds.

Setup: You can't get away with big gaps, dirty materials and the "grease gun" approach that some MIG welders seem to be comfortable with (just pull the trigger and fill in the gap). Proper setup, clamping, positioning (all the prep) in many cases takes more time than the welding - but it is key.

Amps: For the work that you're doing, you'll probably never need more than a 200 amp machine . . . which will also require a 220V service in your shop with enough amps to run it. The older transformer machines will probably take at least a 100 amp dedicated circuit, while a newer inverter "suitcase" machine will require less than 1/2 of that (so consider the shop wiring into the equation).

And then you'll need a welding cart . . . maybe your first project!

I love TIG welding - so I'm not trying to scare you off - it is the only type of welding I've done for the last 15 years or so.

Best of luck!

[Tinker]

Tig is a slower welding process. But it's a far better weld and versatile over mig. Either will work very well. If I had to choose one in my shop I would go tig. Certainly it depends on what you are doing. If I was running a muffler shop, then a mig.


Last helmet I bought was from here. Hard to put a price on your eyesight.
https://store.cyberweld.com/autdarwelhel.html

[dmar836]

I have an AHP Alphatig 200X. An import inverter machine with dual voltage (110/220). I actually really like it. It's pretty popular for a reason. My first was sent back due to a HF start issue but CS was excellent. The only complaint is that the digital amps are off from the perceived amount on the dial. I swapped to a better pedal but I think that's been the only mod. I wouldn't mind a transformer machine but they are huge, heavy, and don't have variable frequency or generally pulse. Don't need them much but options help.

When I got it I still had a HF auto hood for my mig. It flashed me continuously with the HF start of the tig so that I was snow blind for the weld. Bought a Lincoln hood with the large lens and it's great.
You will spend on gas, accessories, maybe dual output gauge for stainless, etc. Everything you get will cost money and the better stuff costs more for a reason. But you just can't get there from hear any other way. Came out to an empty tank one day so chucked the provided gauge.
Don't limit yourself thinking, "I only want to do thin steel" and then limit your abilities and things to learn by going too cheap. Yes, it's a more affordable entry but all the other things are the same so not much is saved on buying a lesser machine(if an inverter).

Tip: Get closer than you ever though you would need to. I have progressive lenses but still remove them to be able to see closer. When I started using mig, I would not even see a bead - just light. Sometimes I wasn't even on the seam. You can't effectively weld what you can't see - especially with a tig bead.
JMO,
D

[Bored&Stroked]

As JMO noted - being able to really see the puddle, rod and the tungsten is key. When I first started TIG, I was thinking too much about other things and not concentrating on what I was SEEING during the process. A really good large-lens auto-darkening helmet should be one of your mandatory buys - don't scrimp on this!

Also, having a good steady place to rest your elbows or arms as you're learning and a comfortable place to sit and weld will really help your learning stages. Don't stand, don't weld vertically, etc . . . until you've learned and can do quality welds sitting down.

I didn't appreciate how important setup, vision and comfort was until AFTER I'd made a few ugly bird shit welds and a lot of cussing had already transpired . . . LOL