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dJFORDPARTS · 05-17-2016, 01:15 PM

Hi,
I recently acquired a 1951 ford hardtop.I'm 19 years old and have had my share of fords and mercurys but am exited to have traded for my first shoebox! I have gotten a pretty decent project car and plan on making a resto- rod with either a 292 y block or the good old flathead. However when i looked at the frame under the car I noticed it was a standard car frame . I have been told it was supposed to have a convertible "X" frame and my question is do i have the wrong frame ? I will also be needing seats if anyone has some . I am learning upholstery and would actually like the chance to make the back seat from sedan frame as long as i cant find one

Any help would be greatly appreciated also feel free to voice any opinions on y block or flatty
Thanks
Daniel J .

billfish · 05-17-2016, 02:17 PM

My 1951 ford Victoria has a standard frame. I believe only the convertible had an x frame. I have an extra rear window ( three piece Glass ) for the 51 Victoria contact me if you are interested.

19Fordy · 05-17-2016, 02:48 PM

Only the convertible had the "X" frame.
Here's some neat info about your car.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/d...arID=10436&i=2
and
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ma...oria/1951.html
Also, do your best to find and buy this book.
http://www.chegg.com/textbooks/how-t...152-1878772155

svmsr1044 · 05-17-2016, 03:15 PM

Fifty five years ago, when I was 17 years old, I bought a '51 Ford Vicky. I also thought it was supposed to have an "X" frame. Like you, I was surprised to find out it had a conventional ladder frame. Back then there were enough of them around that I could look under everyone I could find. Guess what? They all had ladder frames! Talk about history repeating its self!

Chris · 05-17-2016, 03:31 PM

My brother has a 51 Vicky along with a 51 convertible body tub he is getting ready to sell cheap if you need parts. Do not know where you are, but these are in Spokane, WA

sunshine · 05-17-2016, 03:50 PM

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Dj the 51 frame was changed some from the 50 because of the first year for automatic transmission. That I believe causes the confusion about the frame. Bob

lonewolf · 05-17-2016, 05:21 PM

I believe they made a few with the x frame. They also made them with a piece of bar stock welded on either the top or bottom of the rails. That is how mine is. I also have a back seat in metro Detroit if that will work

Flathead · 05-17-2016, 05:36 PM

The Y block has a front sump oil pan that will interfere with the front frame crossmember. Not sure what the work-around is.

paul2748 · 05-17-2016, 08:54 PM

Pickup or early TBird has a rear sump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flathead

The Y block has a front sump oil pan that will interfere with the front frame crossmember. Not sure what the work-around is.

dJFORDPARTS · 05-17-2016, 09:09 PM

Wow, thanks for all the help I am really glad to hear the frame is correct ! I found a 51 vicky on my local craigslist cheap its rusted away but has good seats and automatic column so i will try to pick it up but if not I am located in Georgia and will be needing parts . I actually have a rebuilt 292 out of a truck with a 3 deuce intake ready to go I had it for my 50 merc but will probably use it for this car if i choose to use a Y block. That route would save me a lot of money which is in short supply as i am fresh out of high school. I know that a factory 3 speed column interferes with a Y block conversion linkage wise but I don't know about an auto column?
Thanks again for all the help
Daniel J.

Gary troxel · 05-17-2016, 09:59 PM

I had a 51 Vicky in 1959. Lowered, White paint, pink and white inside. It had some steel plate welded on the bottom of the frame rails. Gary Troxel

Frank Miller · 05-18-2016, 07:07 AM

Check out Shoebox Central in Oklahoma for parts. Chris can assist you on most anything you need as well as info.

dJFORDPARTS · 05-18-2016, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Miller

Check out Shoebox Central in Oklahoma for parts. Chris can assist you on most anything you need as well as info.

Thank you so much for this info it allowed me to find a lot of the parts I need including what seems to me like a great deal on disc brakes !

flatford8 · 05-18-2016, 03:38 PM

Congrats on the Shoebox!!!....I have some stuff but Im along way from Georgia. Tons of great knowledge and info on here..... Mark

dJFORDPARTS · 05-23-2016, 04:58 PM

Just wanted to give a brief update on my project and thank everyone for their help on this!
I purchased a parts car that had my seats and steering column and now have most of the parts i will need ! I mainly wanted to say thanks to everyone I went and looked at my cars frame and it does have flat metal plate welded to the bottoms of the frame rails !
THANKS AGAIN!!!
Daniel J.

05-17-2016, 01:15 PM	#1
dJFORDPARTS Junior Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 4	1951 victoria hardtop frame help Hi, I recently acquired a 1951 ford hardtop.I'm 19 years old and have had my share of fords and mercurys but am exited to have traded for my first shoebox! I have gotten a pretty decent project car and plan on making a resto- rod with either a 292 y block or the good old flathead. However when i looked at the frame under the car I noticed it was a standard car frame . I have been told it was supposed to have a convertible "X" frame and my question is do i have the wrong frame ? I will also be needing seats if anyone has some . I am learning upholstery and would actually like the chance to make the back seat from sedan frame as long as i cant find one Any help would be greatly appreciated also feel free to voice any opinions on y block or flatty Thanks Daniel J .

05-17-2016, 02:17 PM	#2
billfish Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: egg harbor twp nj Posts: 303	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help My 1951 ford Victoria has a standard frame. I believe only the convertible had an x frame. I have an extra rear window ( three piece Glass ) for the 51 Victoria contact me if you are interested.

05-17-2016, 02:48 PM	#3
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,921	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help Only the convertible had the "X" frame. Here's some neat info about your car. http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/d...arID=10436&i=2 and http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ma...oria/1951.html Also, do your best to find and buy this book. http://www.chegg.com/textbooks/how-t...152-1878772155 Last edited by 19Fordy; 05-17-2016 at 03:01 PM.

05-17-2016, 03:15 PM	#4
svmsr1044 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Ivyland, PA Posts: 116	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help Fifty five years ago, when I was 17 years old, I bought a '51 Ford Vicky. I also thought it was supposed to have an "X" frame. Like you, I was surprised to find out it had a conventional ladder frame. Back then there were enough of them around that I could look under everyone I could find. Guess what? They all had ladder frames! Talk about history repeating its self!

05-17-2016, 03:31 PM	#5
Chris Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 2,976	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help My brother has a 51 Vicky along with a 51 convertible body tub he is getting ready to sell cheap if you need parts. Do not know where you are, but these are in Spokane, WA __________________ Thee Inland Emperors

05-17-2016, 03:50 PM	#6
sunshine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SUNSHINE MD. Posts: 318	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Dj the 51 frame was changed some from the 50 because of the first year for automatic transmission. That I believe causes the confusion about the frame. Bob

05-17-2016, 05:21 PM	#7
lonewolf Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 464	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help I believe they made a few with the x frame. They also made them with a piece of bar stock welded on either the top or bottom of the rails. That is how mine is. I also have a back seat in metro Detroit if that will work

05-17-2016, 05:36 PM	#8
Flathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 1,497	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help The Y block has a front sump oil pan that will interfere with the front frame crossmember. Not sure what the work-around is.

05-17-2016, 09:09 PM	#10
dJFORDPARTS Junior Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 4	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help Wow, thanks for all the help I am really glad to hear the frame is correct ! I found a 51 vicky on my local craigslist cheap its rusted away but has good seats and automatic column so i will try to pick it up but if not I am located in Georgia and will be needing parts . I actually have a rebuilt 292 out of a truck with a 3 deuce intake ready to go I had it for my 50 merc but will probably use it for this car if i choose to use a Y block. That route would save me a lot of money which is in short supply as i am fresh out of high school. I know that a factory 3 speed column interferes with a Y block conversion linkage wise but I don't know about an auto column? Thanks again for all the help Daniel J.

05-17-2016, 09:59 PM	#11
Gary troxel Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gary Troxel, Mount Vernon, WA Posts: 17	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help I had a 51 Vicky in 1959. Lowered, White paint, pink and white inside. It had some steel plate welded on the bottom of the frame rails. Gary Troxel

05-18-2016, 07:07 AM	#12
Frank Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn, MA Posts: 2,106	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help Check out Shoebox Central in Oklahoma for parts. Chris can assist you on most anything you need as well as info. __________________ “The technique of infamy is to start two lies at once and get people arguing heatedly over which is true.” ~ Ezra Pound

05-18-2016, 03:38 PM	#14
flatford8 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lyman,ME. Posts: 2,623	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help Congrats on the Shoebox!!!....I have some stuff but Im along way from Georgia. Tons of great knowledge and info on here..... Mark __________________ I'm thinkin' about crankin' My ragged ol' truck up and haulin' myself into town. Billy Joe Shaver

05-23-2016, 04:58 PM	#15
dJFORDPARTS Junior Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 4	Re: 1951 victoria hardtop frame help Just wanted to give a brief update on my project and thank everyone for their help on this! I purchased a parts car that had my seats and steering column and now have most of the parts i will need ! I mainly wanted to say thanks to everyone I went and looked at my cars frame and it does have flat metal plate welded to the bottoms of the frame rails ! THANKS AGAIN!!! Daniel J.