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justcruisin68 · 08-12-2013, 08:36 PM

what do you run in your model a engine so it doesn't get destroyed
by ethanol in the gas. maybe I should run some of my r/c engine
fuel..nitro-something in it.

steve s · 08-12-2013, 08:59 PM

I don't believe that the engine will be harmed. It may not run so well due to vapor lock. There may be corrosion in the tank or carb. It might dissolve the coating on the gas tank fuel gauge float. If you had a fuel pump or other rubber components, possibly the Viton tip on some carb float valves, might be damaged.

There is no chemical that neutralizes ethanol, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone were selling an additive claiming to do so.

Steve

QGolden · 08-12-2013, 09:01 PM

It wont. Dont leave fuel in it without running it for long periods of time. Shut the fuel off and run the carb out of gas before storage. Use a fuel stabilizer. Really all the things you should do anyway.

gilitos · 08-12-2013, 09:20 PM

I've run mine on R/C fuel (nitromethane +castor oil) when that was all I had to get me a half mile to the gas station. Smelled great. I've also run it on kerosene after a warmup on R/C fuel. Ran pretty darn good, too.

Kurt in NJ · 08-12-2013, 09:28 PM

Nj has had it in the gas for a long time, there were problems in the beginning, but now it is less of a problem, havn't done anything or had any problems with the car or the lawnmower because of it in the past 3-4 years---it will make a rich carb run leaner ---reducing the exhaust emissions ---turn off the fuel shutoff valve long enough before you shut off the ignition to run the bowl low or out

BILL WILLIAMSON · 08-12-2013, 09:35 PM

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In all the years of ethanol here, I have NEVER had a problem with ANY of my gas burners, yes, there was a gas mileage drop! Bill W.

metalho · 08-12-2013, 09:50 PM

How bout NAPTHA?

Mike V. Florida · 08-12-2013, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justcruisin68

what do you run in your model a engine so it doesn't get destroyed
by ethanol in the gas. maybe I should run some of my r/c engine
fuel..nitro-something in it.

Drive it often!

Mike V. Florida · 08-12-2013, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt in NJ

Nj has had it in the gas for a long time, there were problems in the beginning, but now it is less of a problem,

That's because all the old engines were destroyed by the fuel and are no longer being used.

SeaSlugs · 08-12-2013, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

In all the years of ethanol here, I have NEVER had a problem with ANY of my gas burners, yes, there was a gas mileage drop! Bill W.

Same, if you drive the car reguarly (more than a tank a year) and do shut off the fuel before parking it for long periods you shouldnt have a problem.

I believe henry himself thought that cars would be running on ethanol back in the 30-40's... its not a "new" thing by any means

Bob-A · 08-13-2013, 07:47 AM

I only drive locally in my old cars and all I use is non-ethanol gas. There are 3 stations within 10 miles of me that sell it. Hopefully in the not so distant future I'll take some trips and then I guess I'll have to use the ethanol "bilge water" gas.......

Bob-A

ctlikon0712 · 08-13-2013, 08:01 AM

Sea Slugs is right, Ethanol has been around for our autos for a long time.

whirnot · 08-13-2013, 08:49 AM

All gas in Colorado has Ethanol in it. I have no problems.

P.S. · 08-13-2013, 09:00 AM

I have to fill up the Tudor about every 2 weeks. No problems. Even if the car is going to be driven the next morning, still shut off the fuel and let the motor run until it completely uses the fuel in the carb.

Bob- "Bilge water gas".. Ha ha! That was a good one.

Metalho- I believe that is one of the key ingredients in Marvel Mystery Oil.

Terry, NJ · 08-13-2013, 09:20 AM

About5-6 years ago, I had to replace the "Rubber" fuel line in my Stihl chainsaw. They told me it came from putting the saw away with gas in the tank. I've often wondered if it was the Ethanol in the gas. Anyone know?
Terry

Patrick L. · 08-13-2013, 09:54 AM

In the old vehicles, I don't worry about ethanol and have not had any issues. I only add Sea-foam for winter storage.
I use non-ethanol [ only in high octane around here] in the small engines because I have had problems with the corn laden stuff.

SeaSlugs · 08-13-2013, 09:58 AM

i haven't had any problems with our lawnmowers or our 2 cycle boat engines or weed whackers. I have had to replace fuel lines on our leaf blower and a friends stihl weed whacker because they seem to have dried out and turned to hard plastic and break.

rniez · 08-13-2013, 10:39 AM

I've been using 100 Octane Sunoco race fuel. It's not cheap but it is ethanol free.

Purdy Swoft · 08-13-2013, 10:56 AM

I've had nothing but problems with the ethanol adultrated fuel. If the model A isn't driven on long trips or every day until it all gets used, there will more than likely be problems. It is best not to leave it in the model A gas tank for over two weeks. It reduces power and MPG, it causes the valves to become sticky and partial loss of compression.Ethanol has really played hell with my weed eater and power saws. Ethanol swells rubber. I had to use channel lock pliers to mremove the gas cap on my power saw after the use of ethanol fuel. The carburetor had to be replaced on my weed eater. We use it in the modern car because it is driven every day and refueled at least once a week. We finally got a Shell station that sells real gas at the back pumps. If I couldn't get real gas for the model A's. it would be more trouble than it would be worth for me to run them at all. Newer vehicles can handle it better. I don't drive my model A's nearly as often as I use to but I want them to be ready to crank and go when ever I'm ready.

TerryH · 08-13-2013, 11:19 AM

Here in California we don't have any choice...it is all ethanol and has been for some time. I drive my A probably 2-3 times a week and have not noticed any problems at all, and I do not run all the fuel out when I turn it off either. I have always used MMO and still do...not sure if it helps with the ethanol, but my car runs just fine and I have no issues with it, although I am sure the mileage has suffered a bit.

08-12-2013, 08:36 PM	#1
justcruisin68 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 24	ethanol what do you run in your model a engine so it doesn't get destroyed by ethanol in the gas. maybe I should run some of my r/c engine fuel..nitro-something in it.

08-12-2013, 08:59 PM	#2
steve s Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kalamazoo Posts: 1,656	Re: ethanol I don't believe that the engine will be harmed. It may not run so well due to vapor lock. There may be corrosion in the tank or carb. It might dissolve the coating on the gas tank fuel gauge float. If you had a fuel pump or other rubber components, possibly the Viton tip on some carb float valves, might be damaged. There is no chemical that neutralizes ethanol, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone were selling an additive claiming to do so. Steve

08-12-2013, 09:01 PM	#3
QGolden Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Alton, NH Posts: 1,231	Re: ethanol It wont. Dont leave fuel in it without running it for long periods of time. Shut the fuel off and run the carb out of gas before storage. Use a fuel stabilizer. Really all the things you should do anyway. __________________ It's not what people think they know that will hurt them, it is what they think they know that aint so! -Mark Twain. It is the very things that we think we know, that keep us from learning what we should know.- Unknown

08-12-2013, 09:20 PM	#4
gilitos Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 209	Re: ethanol I've run mine on R/C fuel (nitromethane +castor oil) when that was all I had to get me a half mile to the gas station. Smelled great. I've also run it on kerosene after a warmup on R/C fuel. Ran pretty darn good, too.

08-12-2013, 09:28 PM	#5
Kurt in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: on the Littlefield Posts: 6,158	Re: ethanol Nj has had it in the gas for a long time, there were problems in the beginning, but now it is less of a problem, havn't done anything or had any problems with the car or the lawnmower because of it in the past 3-4 years---it will make a rich carb run leaner ---reducing the exhaust emissions ---turn off the fuel shutoff valve long enough before you shut off the ignition to run the bowl low or out

08-12-2013, 09:35 PM	#6
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: ethanol Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) In all the years of ethanol here, I have NEVER had a problem with ANY of my gas burners, yes, there was a gas mileage drop! Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

08-12-2013, 09:50 PM	#7
metalho Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bothell Washington Posts: 530	Re: ethanol How bout NAPTHA?

08-13-2013, 07:47 AM	#11
Bob-A Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central FL, USA Posts: 1,137	Re: ethanol I only drive locally in my old cars and all I use is non-ethanol gas. There are 3 stations within 10 miles of me that sell it. Hopefully in the not so distant future I'll take some trips and then I guess I'll have to use the ethanol "bilge water" gas....... Bob-A

08-13-2013, 08:49 AM	#13
whirnot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Bend Or. Posts: 1,056	Re: ethanol All gas in Colorado has Ethanol in it. I have no problems. __________________ Bill Worden 1929 Roadster 1929 Briggs Town Sedan 1930 Closed Cab pickup Smith Motor Compressor 1951 Ford F1 High Desert Model A's

08-13-2013, 09:00 AM	#14
P.S. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: California Posts: 1,696	Re: ethanol I have to fill up the Tudor about every 2 weeks. No problems. Even if the car is going to be driven the next morning, still shut off the fuel and let the motor run until it completely uses the fuel in the carb. Bob- "Bilge water gas".. Ha ha! That was a good one. Metalho- I believe that is one of the key ingredients in Marvel Mystery Oil.

08-13-2013, 09:20 AM	#15
Terry, NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks Co, Pa Posts: 3,740	Re: ethanol About5-6 years ago, I had to replace the "Rubber" fuel line in my Stihl chainsaw. They told me it came from putting the saw away with gas in the tank. I've often wondered if it was the Ethanol in the gas. Anyone know? Terry

08-13-2013, 09:54 AM	#16
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: ethanol In the old vehicles, I don't worry about ethanol and have not had any issues. I only add Sea-foam for winter storage. I use non-ethanol [ only in high octane around here] in the small engines because I have had problems with the corn laden stuff.

08-13-2013, 09:58 AM	#17
SeaSlugs Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central, IL Posts: 3,968	Re: ethanol i haven't had any problems with our lawnmowers or our 2 cycle boat engines or weed whackers. I have had to replace fuel lines on our leaf blower and a friends stihl weed whacker because they seem to have dried out and turned to hard plastic and break. __________________ 1929 Model AA - Need long splash aprons!

08-13-2013, 10:39 AM	#18
rniez Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 28	Re: ethanol I've been using 100 Octane Sunoco race fuel. It's not cheap but it is ethanol free.

08-13-2013, 10:56 AM	#19
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: ethanol I've had nothing but problems with the ethanol adultrated fuel. If the model A isn't driven on long trips or every day until it all gets used, there will more than likely be problems. It is best not to leave it in the model A gas tank for over two weeks. It reduces power and MPG, it causes the valves to become sticky and partial loss of compression.Ethanol has really played hell with my weed eater and power saws. Ethanol swells rubber. I had to use channel lock pliers to mremove the gas cap on my power saw after the use of ethanol fuel. The carburetor had to be replaced on my weed eater. We use it in the modern car because it is driven every day and refueled at least once a week. We finally got a Shell station that sells real gas at the back pumps. If I couldn't get real gas for the model A's. it would be more trouble than it would be worth for me to run them at all. Newer vehicles can handle it better. I don't drive my model A's nearly as often as I use to but I want them to be ready to crank and go when ever I'm ready.

08-13-2013, 11:19 AM	#20
TerryH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fountain Valley, Calif. Posts: 937	Re: ethanol Here in California we don't have any choice...it is all ethanol and has been for some time. I drive my A probably 2-3 times a week and have not noticed any problems at all, and I do not run all the fuel out when I turn it off either. I have always used MMO and still do...not sure if it helps with the ethanol, but my car runs just fine and I have no issues with it, although I am sure the mileage has suffered a bit.