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11-01-2014, 06:15 PM | #21 | |
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I'm not sure what demand will be. Some think hundreds, some think thousands, some, like me, don't know what to expect. I am shooting for 'ready-to-assemble' blocks under $2500.00. The closer to $2000.00 the better. One of my goals is to make searching through several bad blocks for a good block such a waste of time and money that the old junk will become completely undesirable. Added by edit: Mike, going by the initial polling, it seems that I may be able to have some 200 customers right off the bat. One of my builders says people are just waiting for this to get into production so they do not have to try finding a buildable block. Several people have told me privately that they want more than 1 so who knows what the numbers might end up being. My friend says he would like to see machining quantities of at least 50 at a time. So, hopefully, that is repeated often. Tod Last edited by Tod; 11-01-2014 at 06:40 PM. |
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11-02-2014, 10:11 AM | #22 | |
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And, no, I'm not in a race with anyone. As I said before, I think Terry and I are targeting two different markets. Tod |
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11-02-2014, 10:18 AM | #23 |
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$2k seems about what I was guessing it might be given the price of new head...
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11-02-2014, 01:22 PM | #24 |
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I agree. I just had a B block machined 'here/there' and REPAIRED/BRAZED, mainly in the valve seat areas....and was NOT a happy camper with the cost. Heck, I think that my block was in better shape than some I've seen repaired. To have a NEW B block , from NEW metal compound and machined with NEW technology (with 5x5 B innards ) for your price projections equals no brainer decision !
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11-02-2014, 07:05 PM | #25 |
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My question still looms: Where are the 5 main cranks going to come from?
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11-02-2014, 07:12 PM | #26 | |
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11-02-2014, 07:35 PM | #27 |
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I applaud your dedication to making a new block and have followed your progress with much interest. And right at this minute, I am in the market for not just a block, but for a complete working engine. Just not sure where all the needed and necessary parts will come from to make me a "new" engine. Just trying to put 2 and 2 together.
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11-02-2014, 10:25 PM | #28 |
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Hi Tod;
Good to hear that things are progressing, I will need crank, cam or at least a cam blank. How about rods? Hopefully the rod throws can be Model "B" size? I will need all the internals. Chris W. |
11-03-2014, 06:21 AM | #29 | |
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The engine Terry is doing is different than Tod's. Where Tod's is a replacement Terry's is much different than original. Apples and oranges so to speak. The Burtz 5 main crank will not work in a stock A engine. It uses Small Block Chevrolet main and rod bearings.
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11-03-2014, 06:47 AM | #30 | |
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This definitely makes everything available to assemble an engine with all brand new parts manufactured in the 21st century. |
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11-03-2014, 02:23 PM | #31 | |
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If you want a billet crank, Moldex or Crower are probably the best options right now. I have used Moldex over the years and you can't do any better. My thoughts are that when people find out what the final cost of a 5 x 5 engine is it will become a lot less attractive. These after market blocks will probably never be legal to run in vintage competition other than "time only". I see them as the best thing that has come along for a touring engine though. |
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11-03-2014, 03:25 PM | #32 |
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Just curious if any of the Engine Builders have expressed an interest in completing these blocks into short or long block engines? (Rich Fallucca, James Rogers, Ron Kelley, etc.)
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i agree with where Carl is coming from.. many of us just want to purchase a ready made long or short block through a supplier with a warranty and not get involved in building it ourselves. my guess this is down the road a little
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11-03-2014, 04:57 PM | #34 |
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Anyone with an Integrex 200 model 5 axis lathe can make a 5 main billet crank. The cost of the 5x5 engine is such that my approach started with the most cost effective and popular direction first. Snyder steered me in the direction of the stock A block and the polls made me add B internal capacity. My guess is stock A is where my main market will be.
And, so far, the only builder that has discussed building engines with my blocks is Kevin Prus Jr., who builds motors for Snyder. That may jut be how some will get their motors. Tod |
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11-03-2014, 06:25 PM | #36 | |
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Scat makes a crank for the 3 main A/B engine now. It is forged. http://www.scatcrankshafts.com/#1 |
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11-03-2014, 08:34 PM | #37 | |
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11-03-2014, 08:51 PM | #38 | |
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I'm pretty sure you CAN do it, just not sure you'd WANT to... I think I know that most roller tappet stuff is made from billet, so carving the 5 bearing cam for the A/B shouldnt be a big deal, once the setup program is overcome, but how many is enough to make it worth it, cost=wise? I don't have a clue about that, but I'm sure its a question that has to have a good answer before anybody is going to jump in and start grinding. I'm watching this, curious about the internals also. Hope it takes off. Good Luck, Tod. |
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There is another alternative also if you have a back yard machine shop. This cam started out a stock model A core. It has 5 oversize journals and .488 lift. Lots of welding required but the overall cost of the finished product was about 10% cheaper than a bar stock billet. |
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11-03-2014, 11:23 PM | #40 |
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Aren't Bill Stipe's cams already 5 bearing cams?
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