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41LINC · 03-28-2013, 03:50 PM

I am hoping you can help.
Several years ago I purchased an N.O.S cluster gear, hoping it
would fit my '41 Lincoln. It had a ford parts tag on it, which has long ago disapppeared.
The numbers stamped on it are : WT - 259 8B USAP7
The four gears have the following teeth: 14-17-22-25
ANY HELP ON THIS??
Thanks - Mike

Rowdy · 03-28-2013, 03:55 PM

My experience has been WT prefix is Mopar. I issued a warning baout these on the old Fordbarn as I mistook one for being Ford also. There was a Mopar parts search engine posted awhile back I will look for a link so you can properly ID the one you have. Mine is for a 61 3spd. Rod

Rowdy · 03-28-2013, 03:59 PM

Here is a link to the Mopar parts search engine. Rod

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=99

41LINC · 03-28-2013, 04:39 PM

Thank you , I've been there - Cannot find anything without a MOPAR PART No.,
which is not the number on the cluster

Rowdy · 03-28-2013, 05:12 PM

Here is one as close to that number I could find. Rod

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-3-Spee...7ba083&vxp=mtr

rotorwrench · 03-28-2013, 07:05 PM

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The 06H-7113 countershaft cluster gear is 26-22-18-14 count. The 26H-7113 cluster has a 25-22-18-14 count. These were Zephyr gears.

Dec211975 · 03-28-2013, 07:52 PM

An old warner Gear catalog I have gives that combination as fitting a 1955-1956 V8 272 engine Part number C2TZ-7113B the after market number I show is AWT-259-8R I believe the WT indicates Warner Transmission. I do not show any Dodge combinations with the tooth layout 14-17-22-25 the 259 after market number points to a 3 speed ford part.

Regards,

Brian

Mac VP · 03-28-2013, 08:08 PM

Brian has it right. That gear will not work in any 39-48 L-Z application.

skidmarks · 03-28-2013, 08:28 PM

I had one and it was NOS 55 56 ford thunderbird 3 sp. Sold it to a guy for $1.00 I had no use for it

41LINC · 03-29-2013, 06:41 AM

THANK YOU Brian ! That is it exactly!
AS I STATED on my original post, I KNEW it wasn't L-Z , but it DID have a Ford Parts Tag.
Mike

Karl Wolf · 03-29-2013, 11:55 AM

Dad's auto parts store had gears, wt259 (+ more #), would be an aftermarket transmission part number, TRW brand...
Karl

Dec211975 · 03-30-2013, 06:33 AM

Karl Wolf is probably right TRW was a merger of Thompson Pistons, Ramco piston rings and Warner Gear. The old catalog I have is "Dittmer" gears were sold by NAPA, gears were probably sourced from TRW or other gear venders.

rotorwrench · 03-30-2013, 09:27 AM

TRW was a reformation of Thompson Products that was started by Charles E. Thompson. His company was ground breaking in the joining of corrosion resistant metals with steel for exhaust valves. Thompson later partnered with Simon Ramo and Dean Wooldridge to form the aerospace & engineering giant TRW. They were involved with missle defense systems and the space race to the moon & beyond. Thompson was the money behind the venture. He was a lot older than Ramo & Wooldridge. I read the other day that Simon Ramo is still alive and he would have to be near 98 years old now.

03-28-2013, 03:50 PM	#1
41LINC Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 27	Need identification of cluster gear I am hoping you can help. Several years ago I purchased an N.O.S cluster gear, hoping it would fit my '41 Lincoln. It had a ford parts tag on it, which has long ago disapppeared. The numbers stamped on it are : WT - 259 8B USAP7 The four gears have the following teeth: 14-17-22-25 ANY HELP ON THIS?? Thanks - Mike

03-28-2013, 03:55 PM	#2
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Need identification of cluster gear My experience has been WT prefix is Mopar. I issued a warning baout these on the old Fordbarn as I mistook one for being Ford also. There was a Mopar parts search engine posted awhile back I will look for a link so you can properly ID the one you have. Mine is for a 61 3spd. Rod

03-28-2013, 03:59 PM	#3
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Need identification of cluster gear Here is a link to the Mopar parts search engine. Rod http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=99

03-28-2013, 04:39 PM	#4
41LINC Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 27	Re: Need identification of cluster gear Thank you , I've been there - Cannot find anything without a MOPAR PART No., which is not the number on the cluster

03-28-2013, 05:12 PM	#5
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Need identification of cluster gear Here is one as close to that number I could find. Rod http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-3-Spee...7ba083&vxp=mtr

03-28-2013, 07:05 PM	#6
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: Need identification of cluster gear Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) The 06H-7113 countershaft cluster gear is 26-22-18-14 count. The 26H-7113 cluster has a 25-22-18-14 count. These were Zephyr gears.

03-28-2013, 07:52 PM	#7
Dec211975 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Monroe, Wi Posts: 247	Re: Need identification of cluster gear An old warner Gear catalog I have gives that combination as fitting a 1955-1956 V8 272 engine Part number C2TZ-7113B the after market number I show is AWT-259-8R I believe the WT indicates Warner Transmission. I do not show any Dodge combinations with the tooth layout 14-17-22-25 the 259 after market number points to a 3 speed ford part. Regards, Brian

03-28-2013, 08:08 PM	#8
Mac VP Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,361	Re: Need identification of cluster gear Brian has it right. That gear will not work in any 39-48 L-Z application. __________________ VANPELT SALES LLC Cincinnati, Ohio Office: 513-724-9486 www.vanpeltsales.com www.classictransmission.com

03-28-2013, 08:28 PM	#9
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: Need identification of cluster gear I had one and it was NOS 55 56 ford thunderbird 3 sp. Sold it to a guy for $1.00 I had no use for it

03-29-2013, 06:41 AM	#10
41LINC Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 27	Re: Need identification of cluster gear THANK YOU Brian ! That is it exactly! AS I STATED on my original post, I KNEW it wasn't L-Z , but it DID have a Ford Parts Tag. Mike

03-29-2013, 11:55 AM	#11
Karl Wolf Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mill Valley,Ca. Posts: 1,509	Re: Need identification of cluster gear Dad's auto parts store had gears, wt259 (+ more #), would be an aftermarket transmission part number, TRW brand... Karl

03-30-2013, 06:33 AM	#12
Dec211975 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Monroe, Wi Posts: 247	Re: Need identification of cluster gear Karl Wolf is probably right TRW was a merger of Thompson Pistons, Ramco piston rings and Warner Gear. The old catalog I have is "Dittmer" gears were sold by NAPA, gears were probably sourced from TRW or other gear venders.

03-30-2013, 09:27 AM	#13
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: Need identification of cluster gear TRW was a reformation of Thompson Products that was started by Charles E. Thompson. His company was ground breaking in the joining of corrosion resistant metals with steel for exhaust valves. Thompson later partnered with Simon Ramo and Dean Wooldridge to form the aerospace & engineering giant TRW. They were involved with missle defense systems and the space race to the moon & beyond. Thompson was the money behind the venture. He was a lot older than Ramo & Wooldridge. I read the other day that Simon Ramo is still alive and he would have to be near 98 years old now.