Ford Model 40 Standard/Deluxe

[Matej1991]

Good day. Can you please write me other differences between Standard and Deluxe? Deluxe had two horns, windshield chrome frame, pinstriping, cowl lights and two tail lights. What were the other differences?

[deuce lover]

Dlx: ashtray,cigar lighter,rear seat ashtray.2 visors,woodgrain garnish and dash.Window winder handle knobs were woodgrain soybean' I believe that STD and Deluxe both had pinstriping.

[Matej1991]

Ashtrays that were in the back so were they on each side or was there only one? I noticed that there are handles that are on the inside of the door in two different places. Does it have anything to do with Standard and Deluxe?

[deuce lover]

Only one on the right side but another could be added.'33 and early '34 had the handle near the front.Later it was in the center. In '34 the garnish mouldings were different Dlx and Std.I believe that Dlx coupes and sedans had a rear window shade.

[L-head]

Standard model has a different instrument cluster with different color on the gauge faces, door handles on the interior are different shape and color, and only 1 taillight on the left side (some states required both rear fenders to have them), headlight rims are painted, grill and hood are different, and hub caps are different. They did have ash trays on both sides of the dash.

[L-head]

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[deuce lover]

Originally Posted by L-head

Standard model has a different instrument cluster with different color on the gauge faces, door handles on the interior are different shape and color, and only 1 taillight on the left side (some states required both rear fenders to have them), headlight rims are painted, grill and hood are different, and hub caps are different. They did have ash trays on both sides of the dash.

The OP question was for the Model 40 which is 1933 & 1934,Not 1940.

[Matej1991]

Thank you for the information. Because the Deluxe version is hard to find. Most have been converted from Standard to Deluxe. To the door handles. When it was the 1933 version, there was a rope on the door so that the door could be closed better. What was in the later 1934 models? Because the rope couldn't be put there. If you are from Europe do you own a 1932-1934 Ford?

[DavidG]

Ford had a hard time making up its mind during the '33 and '34 model years about inside door closure assists. Initially in U.S. production of the '33s, the deluxe closed cars and cabriolets used leather-covered pull cords carried over from '32 deluxe coupes and standard models used a nickel-plated ring. When the left-over '32 cords were used up, the deluxe bodies then were equipped with the nickel-plated rings, like the standard models. On '34 deluxe closed cars and cabriolets, initially a new leather-covered cords with new end brackets were used and standard closed cars had door window garnish moldings with a stamped-in raised area for use for door closure. When the inside door handles were relocated from near the front of the door to the center of the door, the assist cords were eliminated.

[deuce lover]

Originally Posted by Matej1991

Thank you for the information. Because the Deluxe version is hard to find. Most have been converted from Standard to Deluxe. To the door handles. When it was the 1933 version, there was a rope on the door so that the door could be closed better. What was in the later 1934 models? Because the rope couldn't be put there. If you are from Europe do you own a 1932-1934 Ford?

I sent you a private message.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Ford had a hard time making up its mind during the '33 and '34 model years about inside door closure assists. Initially in U.S. production of the '33s, the deluxe closed cars and cabriolets used leather-covered pull cords carried over from '32 deluxe coupes and standard models used a nickel-plated ring. When the left-over '32 cords were used up, the deluxe bodies then were equipped with the nickel-plated rings, like the standard models. On '34 deluxe closed cars and cabriolets, initially a new leather-covered cords with new end brackets were used and standard closed cars had door window garnish moldings with a stamped-in raised area for use for door closure. When the inside door handles were relocated from near the front of the door to the center of the door, the assist cords were eliminated.

When you wrote deluxe closed cars, were they only coupe models? Because tudor and fordor used cloth ropes. Or am I wrong? Because these ropes were used for fordor from the back of the driver's seat.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by deuce lover

I sent you a private message.

Excuse me, but I can't reply because I don't have 10 posts to reply.

[DavidG]

"Closed cars" includes coupes, sedans, and Vlctorias. Are you referring to the robe rail attached to the back the front seat on a deluxe fordor sedans? I was referring to the pulls on the doors.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by DavidG

"Closed cars" includes coupes, sedans, and Vlctorias. Are you referring to the robe rail attached to the back the front seat on a deluxe fordor sedans? I was referring to the pulls on the doors.

I know what you mean, but I've never seen a car that has a cloth interior with leather ropes. All 1933/1934 Ford Model 40's had cloth cords as they were on the back of the driver's seat. Excuse me, but I'm from Europe, that's why I'm writing things that I saw in the photos.

[DavidG]

Yes, the Fordor seat back robe rails (cords) were woven fabric like the assist straps on the interior of the B pillars. The door pull cords were the ones covered in leather or artificial leather.

[jimTN]

I would like to see some pics of the door cords and the raised area garnish moldings if someone could please post them.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Yes, the Fordor seat back robe rails (cords) were woven fabric like the assist straps on the interior of the B pillars. The door pull cords were the ones covered in leather or artificial leather.

Thank you for the information. Can you tell me if this information is correct? Ford Model A/B/18 had fenders with spare wheel well. Were these fenders still in use in 1934?
I read somewhere that the Model 40 had a light in the dash like Ford Model A had.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by jimTN

I would like to see some pics of the door cords and the raised area garnish moldings if someone could please post them.

I don't know if it will help you. But there are more photos and details.

https://www.schmitt.com/inventory/19...-40-cabriolet/

[DavidG]

In North American production, side-mounted spare tires/wheels were a production option through the '34 model year.

Like '33s and '32s, the instruments of the '34 model vehicle were lighted from the rear via a single 3 c.p. bulb mounted above the speedometer. There were no lights on the interior side of the instrument panel other than the dome lamp on closed cars.

[deuce lover]

Matej1991, If you have great interest in the Model 40 I suggest you purchase the 1933-34 restoration book from the V8 Ford Club website. You do not need to be a member to purchase and they will ship internationally. This book is a great source of information and has many pictures.Most of ,if not all your questions will be answered.


I just looked and it is not currently available.

[Matej1991]

DavidG - Thank you sir. You have helped me a lot.

deuce lover - Thank you sir for your help too. But first I want to find a Ford 1933/1934 Fordor Sedan for sale and then I would buy a book that will help me with renovations. I know how it worked with the Ford Model A that most people went from Standard to Deluxe versions. They could do the same with the Ford Model 40.

[deuce lover]

Where do you live?

[mercman from oz]

1940 Ford Deluxe

1940 Ford Standard

1940 Ford Standard and Deluxe models

[mercman from oz]

Sorry for the above Post. I misread this Thread and added pictures of the 1940 Fords instead of the Model 40 Fords, which are 1933 and 1934. My Mistake.

[Matej1991]

In Czech Republic.

[DavidG]

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Here are some photographs from Ford's U.S. archives showing three of the various '33 and '34 door pulls. I've no photo of the '34 standard window molding with the raised lip, nor one of the late '34 arrangement when the inside door handle was relocated from near the front of the door to the center of the door.


Also included is an archives photo of a '33 equipped with side-mounted spare tires. The same arrangement was also offered as an extra cost option for the '34 models.

[deuce lover]

Matej1991,

Here is a '33 Dlx tudor barn find in France.It was discovered last year and sold in an auction for 15,500 Euros.The engine was stuck.So they are still out there and in Europe.

[Terry,OH]

This appears to be the garnish molding with the stamped raised door pull

[Scott/Mn]

Here is a photograph of an original deluxe coupe with glass date April 1934. The driver's side is similar but with an armrest and without the door lock lever.

[Matej1991]

DavidG - was the spare tire cover the same for 1933-1935? The year 1935 had a lock.

deuce lover - but there are more for sale in the US than in Europe and I would like a LHD. There will be many for sale at MECUM.

[deuce lover]

Yes many more for sale in the USA. Do your research as many for sale do not always have the correct parts.The UK is RHD.Rest of Europe is LHD.The locking hubcap was introduced in 1932.I'll let David talk about the spare tire cover.
You now can place an ad in the Swap Meet wanted section here.A FordBarn member might have one or know of a 4dr for sale.

[petehoovie]

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...e/2600676.html

• Seller’s Description: This 1933 Ford V8 Sedan for sale has a 221 Flat Head V8 Engine, 3 Speed Manual Transmission, Brown/Black Two Tone, Wire Wheels, White Wall Tires, Rear Mounted Spare Tire, Optional V8 Engine, Machined Dashboard Panel, Original Style Interior, A Piece of Ford History! Flat Head V8!
  
• Price: $29,995

[Matej1991]

Only at the moment I don't have anyone who would buy the car that petehoovie sent me. Because the person who drives cars to Europe has a vacation.

[Matej1991]

Please does anyone on this forum have a 1933/1934 Ford that has a spare tire in the fenders? If you could send me some photos. Thank you.

[petehoovie]

Click on this link for pictures > https://www.classiccarsandcollectibl...934fordjd.html

[mercman from oz]

1934 Ford Side Mount Spare Wheel Brackets

[mercman from oz]

Front and Rear Views - Side Mounted Spare Wheel

[mercman from oz]

Side Mounted Spare Wheel Holders - Right and Left. Note that both Brackets are stamped "L" from the Ford Factory which is a mistake, as one is for the Right side and one for the Left side. The painted Bracket should have been stamped "R" as it is for the right hand Side Mounted Spare Wheel.

[mercman from oz]

The Side Mounted Spare Wheel never fitted correctly on this, my other 1934 Ford, as it had the incorrect Right Hand Bracket marled "L" fitted. This car now has the correct Left Hand Bracket fitted.

[Matej1991]

Finding a spare tire bracket and cover is very difficult to find? Because there are not many side mounted cars for sale.

[deuce lover]

Why would you want a side mounted spare tire ? Yes they are not very common. I think more in Australia than USA.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by deuce lover

Why would you want a side mounted spare tire ? Yes they are not very common. I think more in Australia than USA.

Plus, they're in the way when accessing/working on the engine...Pain in the butt...

[Matej1991]

Spare tires for Ford 1932-1934 are not often seen. That's why I like it. Yes, access to the engine is worse and when there is a problem they have to be taken down.

[DavidG]

The brackets show up for sale from time to time as while not that many were sold originally, proportionally fewer want them these days for reasons cited above, plus given how high the tire and wheel end up, they detract from the appearance of the car, in my opinion, plus they interfere with forward vision when driving depending on how tall the driver is.

While '33 and '34s have the same 5.25 x17" tire size, their spare tire covers are different to the extent of different stainless steel trim or lack thereof. The tire size for 1935 was 6.00 x 16", so the tire cover (both face plate and outer band) are different in sze compared to the '33-'34 tire cover.

[Matej1991]

My height is 6 feet and 2 inches and I have no problem with Ford Model A. I don't know how it is in Ford 1932-1934.

[deuce lover]

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No problem with a 33-34 4 dr,the front seat I believe adjusts.Here is a pic of the 4 dr front seat

[Matej1991]

I thought that when I'm tall I shouldn't have a problem with a spare tire. That I wouldn't mind the view.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by deuce lover

No problem with a 33-34 4 dr,the front seat I believe adjusts.Here is a pic of the 4 dr front seat

[Matej1991]

DavidG can you please tell me why people didn't get side mounts? You have a lot of experience with deuce lover and I would like to know your opinion. And also on the side mounts on the Ford 1932?

[DavidG]

Because of the way the front fenders on '33-'34 passenger cars were formed, the side mounts for those years end up mounted higher off the ground relative to the top of the hood. To many people, they end up being too high and look oddly placed as a result. The side mounts on '32s are mounted lower relative to the top of the hood and end up looking appropriately proportioned to the rest of the surrounding components. It is a personal perspective, I guess. I like side mounts on '32s, especially on certain body types like the convertible sedans and phaetons, but on a '33 or '34 passenger car, I think they look misplaced and detract from the overall styling of the cars.

[rockfla]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Because of the way the front fenders on '33-'34 passenger cars were formed, the side mounts for those years end up mounted higher off the ground relative to the top of the hood. To many people, they end up being too high and look oddly placed as a result. The side mounts on '32s are mounted lower relative to the top of the hood and end up looking appropriately proportioned to the rest of the surrounding components. It is a personal perspective, I guess. I like side mounts on '32s, especially on certain body types like the convertible sedans and phaetons, but on a '33 or '34 passenger car, I think they look misplaced and detract from the overall styling of the cars.

Agreed, I have a right welled fender for our 33 (Right???) that I would most likely part with IF someone wanted it for the reasons DavidG just posted

[deuce lover]

Side mounts on a '33 std tudor. Proportions are off to me. "33 std tudor without side mounts,much better IMO. Pic of a 32 RPU with right side mount.

[Matej1991]

DavidG I wrote with Mr. deuce lover and you both have great reasons. As I wrote to him, I don't like that the side mounts are so close to the front of the car. It would look better if they used the style from Ford Model A or Ford 1932. That's why I prefer to use side mounts in 1932.