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Old 08-05-2022, 07:17 PM   #1
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Would appreciate help regarding any recent sales of restored lower mileage examples done to a “local show winner” (not regional or national) standard.

Hagerty indicates a possible value of about $30,000 , but is a little thin on actual sales details.

Trying to set a friend’s expectations.

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There was a '41 convertible on Hemmings last week and another one up for auction. You could track those down.
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Thank you, will do
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Time was, the '41 was considered an ugly duck. That was then, so don't put any weight on those opinions these days.
The only two opinions that hold any degree of accuracy are those of the buyer and seller.
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This 1941 Ford Super Deluxe Convertible now lives in Australia.
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With its blunt nose and bulbous trunk, it’s definitely an acquired taste; the ‘41 seems more “Dick Tracy” than Gatsby, a real departure from the elegant lines of Ford’s pre-war styling. Still, it’s growing on me as it honestly reflects the change in the nation’s psyche.

The car in question was “restored” by a local body / paint shop; bodywork / paint have been competently done, interior and top outsourced and done well. Engine bay is “confused”, but easily sorted / improved.

Hagerty suggests a value of about $30,000 for this condition - solid driver, capable of winning at the local level (not regional and definitely not Dearborn).

This said, the loss of members of the Greatest Generation and carnage among the Bitcoin bros haven’t helped pricing of late; would $25,000 be a reasonable expectation for the owner ?
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This seems comparable, but is a dealer offering and pricing is of course an ask and not a “strike”

https://classiccars.com/listings/fin...d/super-deluxe
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Oops - scroll down to black over maroon , listing CC-1479830

I need PeteHoovie’s skill with photos !!!
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Another Aussie 41!





Kind of a red headed stepchild of the car set, these are an unappreciated value.
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With its blunt nose and bulbous trunk, it’s definitely an acquired taste; the ‘41 seems more “Dick Tracy” than Gatsby, a real departure from the elegant lines of Ford’s pre-war styling. Still, it’s growing on me as it honestly reflects the change in the nation’s psyche.

The car in question was “restored” by a local body / paint shop; bodywork / paint have been competently done, interior and top outsourced and done well. Engine bay is “confused”, but easily sorted / improved.

Hagerty suggests a value of about $30,000 for this condition - solid driver, capable of winning at the local level (not regional and definitely not Dearborn).

This said, the loss of members of the Greatest Generation and carnage among the Bitcoin bros haven’t helped pricing of late; would $25,000 be a reasonable expectation for the owner ?
Don't quote me, but I seem to recall either on my local Craigslist or another site a '41 convert, similar to what you describe, in the low $20's. I think you are in the ball park and would start at $20K and see what happens. You can always increase your offer, but you can never decrease it during negotiations.
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Time was, the '41 was considered an ugly duck. That was then, so don't put any weight on those opinions these days.
The only two opinions that hold any degree of accuracy are those of the buyer and seller.
In part, I agree with you.

1941 Fords, for most of us, still consider them ugly ducklings. The actual sold prices indicate that is a true statement.

Values of these cars have certainly not increased.

I'd nearly purchased a '41 convertible a few years ago. A 997-point car that was, obviously, stunningly restored.
The seller was asking $55k, which was no doubt much less than he'd invested in the restoration. Car sold for just barely north of $30k.
I'd thought at that price, it would be a fun "driver". Still, even at that (sold) price, I just couldn't wrap my head around owning a '41.
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It’s a tough sell indeed; bought my ‘36 Phaeton for $30,000 last year - as good, or better, and surely more elegant
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Checked e-Bay completed items and found two that sold. One for $26,000 and one for $30,500. It looks like Hagerty's estimate is close. With today's economy I suspect $25K to 27K would be a decent price for a fairly quick sale depending on condition.
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Checked e-Bay completed items and found two that sold. One for $26,000 and one for $30,500. It looks like Hagerty's estimate is close. With today's economy I suspect $25K to 27K would be a decent price for a fairly quick sale depending on condition.
Very, very helpful !
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As a '41 owner, I have to agree with the opinions that they are for the most part less visually appealing. With one exception, the early model-year short door coupe without the chrome mustache and extraneous added side trim.
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1941 Ford Deluxe Coupe owned by drolston
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1941 Ford Super Deluxe Sedan Coupe and Convertible Club Coupe that call Australia home.
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1941 Ford Super Deluxe Fordor Sedan. This is the only 1941 Ford that I can recall seeing when I was growing up. This photo was taken in 1961.
That shows you how rare Australian Assembled 1941 Fords are in Australia.
The reason being that by the time that the 1941 Fords were released midway through 1942, Australia was involved in WWII.
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I spotted this same 1941 Ford Super Deluxe Fordor Sedan in a local Wrecking Yard in 1989
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As a '41 owner, I have to agree with the opinions that they are for the most part less visually appealing. With one exception, the early model-year short door coupe without the chrome mustache and extraneous added side trim.
You are clearly a man of excellent refined tastes.


1941 Ford short door business coupe from the "Special" line of lower priced cars. This could have been yours in 1941 for $670 but it came with only one wiper, one taillight, one horn, one sun visor, no glove box lock, no horn ring and plastic side trim.

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Ford was very competitive in pricing, so much so that they actually lost money on the Special models. The deletion of certain extras did not make up for those losses, but the more Fords on the road was good for business with the DeLuxe and Super Deluxe models.
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Alan, reminds me of the situation with the F150 and the car lines a few years back. The F150 was CAFE negative so they needed to sell Focus and Fusions to offset those numbers and not get fined from what we were told. F150 is now CAFE neutral. I've had 12 1942-48 Ford's but never a 41. I still think about a 1941 Super Deluxe 3 pass coupe I could've bought in 1973 for $225 but was gone by the time I found the money. There was also a 1 owner 1941 light green station wagon in a barn 1/2 a mile from our house. I would not chase a 41 short door coupe out of the driveway...
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Alan, reminds me of the situation with the F150 and the car lines a few years back. The F150 was CAFE negative so they needed to sell Focus and Fusions to offset those numbers and not get fined from what we were told. F150 is now CAFE neutral. I've had 12 1942-48 Ford's but never a 41. I still think about a 1941 Super Deluxe 3 pass coupe I could've bought in 1973 for $225 but was gone by the time I found the money. There was also a 1 owner 1941 light green station wagon in a barn 1/2 a mile from our house. I would not chase a 41 short door coupe out of the driveway...
I googled PA CAFE and all I got was restaurants. I suppose it’s a law, but can’t find it.
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Alan, google Corporate Average fuel Economy standard. Been around since the 1970's.
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The 3 passenger coupe is pretty slick !
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Would appreciate help regarding any recent sales of restored lower mileage examples done to a “local show winner” (not regional or national) standard.

Hagerty indicates a possible value of about $30,000 , but is a little thin on actual sales details.

Trying to set a friend’s expectations.

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Jacuqes, thank for your understanding with '41 ugly ducking discussion. As a seller, I think you friend's best bet would be advertising both condition and drivability. These cars can be a lot of fun if they're good lookers AND drivable.


I'd subtract $5k to $10k from the $30 if it's a b***h to drive but otherwise nicely restored to local show winner quality.


Honestly, in a Hershey Concours or Detroit survivor show,the values are way down and not going any higher. The people that remember and appreciate these cars are not too young.
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we sold our '41 ford super deluxe fordor 4 yrs ago for $21k and it had about 300K miles on it! 175K miles were put on it by us.
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Jacuqes, thank for your understanding with '41 ugly ducking discussion. As a seller, I think you friend's best bet would be advertising both condition and drivability. These cars can be a lot of fun if they're good lookers AND drivable.


I'd subtract $5k to $10k from the $30 if it's a b***h to drive but otherwise nicely restored to local show winner quality.


Honestly, in a Hershey Concours or Detroit survivor show,the values are way down and not going any higher. The people that remember and appreciate these cars are not too young.
So true - as the “Greatest Generation” moves on, interest in these earlier cars is waning; Boomers, like me, remember the Camaro and Mopar Hotwheels of their youth, bidding up prices accordingly. Personally ? I’m totally smitten with the elegant lines of the pre-war / post-brass era cars.
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So true - as the “Greatest Generation” moves on, interest in these earlier cars is waning; Boomers, like me, remember the Camaro and Mopar Hotwheels of their youth, bidding up prices accordingly. Personally ? I’m totally smitten with the elegant lines of the pre-war / post-brass era cars.

Jacques, I must, once again, remind of the Silent Generation. We Silents are the ones who are losing control of the hobby, the running board cars of our youth falling from favor as we pass on. We are of the generation who's parents taught us to be seen and not heard, the value of a dollar, and to face away from windows under our school desks during air raid drills. It was the Silents who built Hot Rods with chopped tops in grey primer, and Frenched the headlights of our next cars. We Silents abhorred the ugliness of Wrap Around Windshields, Dagmars, and Chrome Spears. It is the Silent Generation that is now rapidly becoming forever silent.
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If I remember correctly, Ron Thorne’s completely restored 41 convertible sold last January in the $26,000 area. It looked great, only one bidder also (if I remember).
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Jacques, I must, once again, remind of the Silent Generation. We Silents are the ones who are losing control of the hobby, the running board cars of our youth falling from favor as we pass on. We are of the generation who's parents taught us to be seen and not heard, the value of a dollar, and to face away from windows under our school desks during air raid drills. It was the Silents who built Hot Rods with chopped tops in grey primer, and Frenched the headlights of our next cars. We Silents abhorred the ugliness of Wrap Around Windshields, Dagmars, and Chrome Spears. It is the Silent Generation that is now rapidly becoming forever silent.
Thank you for this; really well said, and words which Boomers, like me, should heed.
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OK everyone, ready to be dumbstruck ???

While I counseled an expectation of $25-27k “on a good day”, the car went under the hammer last night for….$36,000 !!!!!

Engine bay was pretty tatty, red paint on motor aside, iffy paint job, many incorrect details.

Wow.
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OK everyone, ready to be dumbstruck ???

While I counseled an expectation of $25-27k “on a good day”, the car went under the hammer last night for….$36,000 !!!!!

Engine bay was pretty tatty, red paint on motor aside, iffy paint job, many incorrect details.

Wow.
Auctions can be very fickle as we all know. You were proper not to "go there". If you really want a '41 convertible, keep searching. $36k is now #1, high point condition value.
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I’m saving up for a ‘36 sedan convertible
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I’m saving up for a ‘36 sedan convertible
It appears that all sedan convertibles and phaetons have taken a giant plunge in value as well. Thus, you'll be able to find a NICE one for reasonable cost.
Yep, there are guys who remain out of touch with reality that are asking prices related more to 1995 than 2022.
Their widows will surely get a lesson in reality all too soon.
My theory? No younger guy wants these body styles. Not very conducive to hot rod or otherwise "modernize". We, the older fellas sure are no longer collecting them.
Another example of supply and demand.
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Well, I like ‘em !
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A nice one just sold on the HAMB for about 28k. it was a nice number 2.
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Well, I like ‘em !
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One in my hometown went for $37k and change last September. Was a Dearborn winner.
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