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08-01-2021, 11:28 PM | #1 |
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rubbish needle rollers
There have been threads on here a few times about the lack of quality of modern caged roller bearings as found in transmission and rear hubs. This also pertains to the outboard bearing behind the differential pinion gear. I've just stripped my Columbia, less than 2000 miles since complete rebuild using all new parts throughout. For the outboard pinion bearing #18-4625A, I had fitted a brand new MADE IN USA Bower R-1304-B bearing. It is now rooted!! the end plates are soft as butter and the rollers have worn into them, also they are worn on o/d and i/d from rubbing on the races. So beware, even Yank made stuff can be crap!
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08-01-2021, 11:33 PM | #2 |
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My .02 is that they can get away for the most part because us old collector types will sometimes put 100 miles a year on our 'stored' cars.
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08-02-2021, 04:12 AM | #3 |
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Brian, I had German made rear hub bearings that did that little trick with the soft end plates and they were new from Macs a few years ago. Best find some old old NOS ones somewhere. Hyatt brand were good. Regards, Kevin.
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08-02-2021, 07:31 AM | #4 |
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It is sad that "Made in the USA" now seems to apply
to only the paper box containing the bearing. Last edited by 19Fordy; 08-02-2021 at 07:55 AM. |
08-02-2021, 09:35 AM | #5 |
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when I see a usable original bearing I keep it. if it is not pitted, or shedding metal I will use them. far superior to what is available today. I have also had to redo the sleeves after they had been done
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08-02-2021, 02:28 PM | #6 | |
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Case hardening issue..... which would be unusual for Bower/NTN. Most of that stuff comes out of Hamilton Alabama or McComb Illinois, which are old Federal Mogul (National) manufacturing facilities. |
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08-02-2021, 02:44 PM | #7 |
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So you are saying that NTN (whoever they are) would or would not be a good source?
Sorry, I'm not up on traditional American bearing manufacturers. The only thing I know is I read an article a few years back written by one of the last members of the family that started and operated Timken for years. He told the story of how it was purchased by some corporate raiders and systematically dismantled and most operations moved "offshore". |
08-02-2021, 02:56 PM | #8 |
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At my last place of employment [prior to my retirement], we used pretty well exclusively SKF branded bearings. The printing on the individual boxes they came in said where said bearing was manufactured...just about every country in the world it would appear has the manufacturing capabilities to manufacture SKF bearings.
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08-02-2021, 03:18 PM | #9 | |
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Timken (like all bearing manufacturers) buys from others that which they don’t make themselves. Basically a completely whored-up market. |
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08-02-2021, 06:57 PM | #10 |
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I believe this is going to be a big issue, nothing is made too last anymore. Its got me buggered how modern cars last as long as they do..
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08-02-2021, 07:42 PM | #11 |
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Some of the best parts are found in salvage yards, off of original cars, cleaned up, serviced and reused. Or at swap meets, in the original boxes.
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