1938 Door jamb bumper mystery

[38convsedan]

The 4 front door jamb bumper recesses( 2 per side)on my 38 CS have brackets mounted with an off center fine threaded screw (see photo).
The typical center hole rubber bumper (which is supposed to be correct) does not fit nor does the other supposedly correct rubber bumper offered by vendors ( see examples below).
Can anyone identify the correct runner door jamb bumper for this application?
As always, thank you in advance!
Steve

[Karl Wescott]

If not answered by then, bump this to the top Jan 12... I will be back at the shop and can consult my parts books.

[325w]

It’s not number two for sure. That’s a press in an opening

[Fordors]

That holder for the bumper appears to be the same as this one for some Model A’s, I wonder if the A bumper would work?

[38convsedan]

Fordors—that sure looks like it.
Where did you find that??

[petehoovie]

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Originally Posted by Fordors

That holder for the bumper appears to be the same as this one for some Model A’s, I wonder if the A bumper would work?

[Terry,OH]

Neither of the two shown above. Look at B-191442-A for the short style and -B for the long. They are pictured in the Hardware Book and were used in the Convertible Sedans from 1935.

[Fordors]

Originally Posted by 38convsedan

Fordors—that sure looks like it.
Where did you find that??

Sorry, just saw this now, it’s from Ecklers. Just enter that p/n in a Google search and it will come up.

[DavidG]

Just because it was in the car previously does not mean that it was the original. That particular Model A bumper did not carry over into the V8 era. Terry has correctly identified the right bumper for your convertible sedan.

[Fordors]

The bumper mentioned, p/n B-191442-A and -B is specified in the 1938 Hardware and Trimming Supplies catalog as being used on the 1935 Model 48 and 1936 Model 68 Convertible Sedans. With no mention of the 1937 Model 78 or the 1938 Model 81A how is one to know for certain it is the correct item?
Granted, it may not be the correct part but if it works as intended and the OP is happy with that as a solution then where’s the problem? Not every old Ford is a 100 point car but can be just as enjoyable to the owner and the casual admirer.

[Terry,OH]

There are many errors of omission in Fords books. For example the 38 hardware book does not show the window regulators for the 35 Cabriolet. The regulators are just a carry over from the 34 Cabriolet which are shown. In 36 Ford omitted the entire line of window regulators as well as many other parts. Ford issued a revision later in the year to correct this huge omission. Many of the parts omitted can be found in the Body Parts Catalog as a part number.

[38convsedan]

An interesting debate…the clips were obviously factory installed as the holes are correctly tapped for fine thread screws with no evidence of any other fasteners being used.
Could it simply be a case of using what was available on the build date?
These instances make the old car hobby an intriguing endeavor!!
I have ordered a set of B-192442-B. Hopefully they fit correctly…
(BTW—I opened this topic on the Model A forum. A Barner shared that his 1931 Pierce Arrow uses the same clip/bumper! Wow!!)

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Fordors

The bumper mentioned, p/n B-191442-A and -B is specified in the 1938 Hardware and Trimming Supplies catalog as being used on the 1935 Model 48 and 1936 Model 68 Convertible Sedans. With no mention of the 1937 Model 78 or the 1938 Model 81A how is one to know for certain it is the correct item?
Granted, it may not be the correct part but if it works as intended and the OP is happy with that as a solution then where’s the problem? Not every old Ford is a 100 point car but can be just as enjoyable to the owner and the casual admirer.

The original post was seeking to find the correct part. He didn;t mention finding a part that "works". This is one reason, in my opinion, it's important to read the entire thread prior to replying.

[JayChicago]

Originally Posted by Kube

The original post was seeking to find the correct part. He didn;t mention finding a part that "works". This is one reason, in my opinion, it's important to read the entire thread prior to replying.

Yeah. I’ve done this. Jumped on the keyboard and post a reply, then re-read the original post and realize what I posted missed the point. Often is not easy to understand what the original poster is really saying. We should all re-read the thread again BEFORE typing a reply.

[DavidG]

According to the Body Parts Catalogs, the rear door bumpers on the rear door lock pillars of convertible sedans changed with the '37 models. There were two different bumpers, 48-702610 and 78-702610. If you know your Ford part numbers, you will note that those basic part numbers are for the 700 body type, namely the Tudor sedan. (The 78-prefix bumpers were used on nearly all of the '37-39 passenger cars and as a result are widely available in reproduction form as are the 48-prefix bumpers.) There was an A and B suffix of each reflecting different widths (thickness) for different fitting doors. Usually only the B or thick version is reproduced and they may require trimming for a specific door fit. There's no mention of the use of Model A body parts on '37-'39 convertible sedans or any other body type.

[38convsedan]

These missing door jamb bumpers illustrate perfectly challenges faced when purchasing a vehicle mid-stream in the restoration process. Not having an opportunity to observe and document parts at disassembly can lead to barriers at reassembly!
I truly appreciate the expertise and willingness to help demonstrated by members on this site!
Thank you!!
Steve

[38convsedan]

Mystery solved…B-191442-B fits correctly.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by 38convsedan

Mystery solved…B-191442-B fits correctly.