Engle's A & T Parts

[guam2250]

Hello All,

Anyone have information on a supplier named Engle's A & T Reproduction Parts, from Middletown, Ohio ? In 1988, I bought 6 very accurate '30-'31 Model A hub caps from them. Thanks

[Oldbluoval]

I think you may be referring to Felix Engle who made good stuff, I don’t think he’s still alive.
Regrets if wrong!
It was sold and operated as Ahooga parts
Shut down amidst financial problems as well as delivery of product
Long gone and to my understanding tooling and dies scrapped
Too bad

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by guam2250

Hello All,

Anyone have information on a supplier named Engle's A & T Reproduction Parts, from Middletown, Ohio ? In 1988, I bought 6 very accurate '30-'31 Model A hub caps from them. Thanks

As Bill said above, Felix did sell to Dale at Ahooga which filed for bankruptcy last year. As I understand it, the tooling was scrapped by the bank during the repossession. Many reproduction parts that we were used to having are longer available due to this closure.

[Oldbluoval]

When I was a practicing CPA I worked for many bankruptcy trustees as accountant
It would seem to me that the bank, likely as creditor, did poor due diligence in not search for best value of tooling. It could have easily been sold to another manufacturer.
The bank may have got their money but left others dangling or “without”
Not unusual if they were creditor in possession. They got theirs; too bad for others......just a possibility
Another bites the dust

[guam2250]

How sad, and what a loss. In 1988, I bought 6 of these for $58.00, and have an un-cashed refund check for over payment on the shipping!!! Never seen a higher quality repro hub cap.

[jak]

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my understanding of the situation is an interested party came out to meet with the bank and to discuss terms for an offer. After touring the facility the interested party noticed that a lot of the secondary tooling was either broken, severely worn out, or just plain missing. The bank had no idea of what he was talking about, regarding missing tooling. He walked away from the table with out even making an offer as to replace this tooling would have been cost prohibitive.

[alexiskai]

For the ignorant among us, what is "secondary tooling" in this context?

[jak]

secondary tooling would be anything needed to go from the main stamping to the finished product. For example it could be a jig to hold a piece for drilling holes, it could be a part that take multiple dies to make the part complete... Lots of different things get considered as secondary tooling, but none the less it's need to make a final component.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by jak

secondary tooling would be anything needed to go from the main stamping to the finished product. For example it could be a jig to hold a piece for drilling holes, it could be a part that take multiple dies to make the part complete... Lots of different things get considered as secondary tooling, but none the less it's need to make a final component.

Thanks Jeff, and kinda interesting. None of those fixtures would likely help anyone else without those dies. I too lost some items that I had loaned to Dale & Steve that were never returned to me.

[wrndln]

I sent (at my own expense) a 28-mid 30 CCPU floorpan to Ahoogh A & T for a pattern about 5 or 6 years ago. I called them 5 or 6 times, about once a year, to see if they were making progress on the tooling to die stamp duplicate floorpans. They kept stalling me and I never got a new die stamped floorpan they promised me or my original floorpan back. However, they did make some good die stamped sheetmetal. I believe Steve left the company a year or two before they went bankrupt. I think he was the main guy key to the companies products. That probably doomed the company.
Rusty Nelson

[katy]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

I too lost some items that I had loaned .

I think, over the years, most of us have loaned stuff out that never found it's way back.

[Perry]

Originally Posted by katy

I think, over the years, most of us have loaned stuff out that never found it's way back.

i had a guy come by weekly for help and advise, loaned him a homemade $5 tool and never saw him again. I was good with that! I had never charged him a dime.
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