Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Early V8 (1932-53)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-03-2018, 11:30 AM   #1
HD Rider
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Glendive MT
Posts: 155
Default New Guy With a Question

Hello everyone.
I'm new here and want to introduce myself. My name is Paul from Glendive, Mt. I'm beginning a restoration on a 1940 Ford pickup.

I have a question about the intermediate driveshaft support bearing 78-4658. How does it come out?

Thanks
HD Rider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2018, 11:46 AM   #2
ford38v8
Senior Member
 
ford38v8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 6,641
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Hi Rider, the zerk fitting at the center of the torque tube holds the bearing in place and must be removed, then a special tool can push the old bearing out, and insert the new bearing.
__________________
Alan
ford38v8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 11-03-2018, 12:31 PM   #3
JSeery
Member Emeritus
 
JSeery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Wichita KS
Posts: 16,132
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Welcome to the Ford Barn!
JSeery is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2018, 01:42 PM   #4
Mike in AZ
Senior Member
 
Mike in AZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Waddell, AZ
Posts: 2,540
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Welcome to the ‘Barn. Got pics. Lol. Mike
Mike in AZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2018, 03:08 PM   #5
HD Rider
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Glendive MT
Posts: 155
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Thanks.
I would have tried to beat it out without removing the grease zerk.

I don't have a very good pic and can't seem to upload it. Maybe I don't have enough posts yet?
It is the truck that took my grandmother to the hospital when my dad was born.
HD Rider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2018, 04:07 PM   #6
aussie merc
Senior Member
 
aussie merc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: sydney australia
Posts: 1,033
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
welcome aboard
aussie merc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2018, 04:30 PM   #7
john in illinois
Senior Member
 
john in illinois's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,184
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

MHere are instructions to replace it from Skip Haney who makes a replcement bearing kit.

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...1&d=1308872956

His website. http://www.fordcollector.com/water_pumps.htm

I had to use a sledge hammer with full force to remove mine. If your rubber mount is deteriorated it may be easier. I made a plug to center the pipe on the bearing.
Pic of bearing in torque tube section.
John
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 97002F33-00DE-4258-80E5-88EF61DB13D4.jpg (66.4 KB, 85 views)

Last edited by john in illinois; 11-03-2018 at 04:47 PM.
john in illinois is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2018, 05:25 PM   #8
Charlie Stephens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 7,031
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by HD Rider View Post
Thanks.
I would have tried to beat it out without removing the grease zerk.

I don't have a very good pic and can't seem to upload it. Maybe I don't have enough posts yet?
It is the truck that took my grandmother to the hospital when my dad was born.
Your picture problem is probably that it is too large. Email it to me and I will upload it. We will work out the details for the next one. Number of posts is not the problem. What hardware and software are you working with for your photos?

Charlie Stephens
Charlie Stephens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2018, 11:28 PM   #9
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

KR Wilson made special pullers for installing and removing these center bearings. Do not attempt to do it using crude tools such as a sledge hammer. I have used mine many times and it is difficult to get the grease holes lined up even with the correct tools. By the way the zerk fitting has nothing to do with holding the bearing in place.
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2018, 11:33 PM   #10
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

You can remove your driveshaft and inspect the surface where the bearing race is located. If this surface is still looking good I would not remove the bearing. These bearings are scarce and usually cost $200. or more.
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2018, 11:36 PM   #11
Tinker
Senior Member
 
Tinker's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: MN
Posts: 7,053
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

I'm going with Larry here. It's not a bad idea to replace but if it's doing okay... I'm still running the originals. If you are going for a full rebuild best I can suggest is skips.
Tinker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2018, 07:07 AM   #12
ford38v8
Senior Member
 
ford38v8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 6,641
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by 40larry View Post
KR Wilson made special pullers for installing and removing these center bearings. Do not attempt to do it using crude tools such as a sledge hammer. I have used mine many times and it is difficult to get the grease holes lined up even with the correct tools. By the way the zerk fitting has nothing to do with holding the bearing in place.
Hi Larry, From my initial answer to the question, you can probably tell that I didn't have the tools nor the expert advice, and farmed my own torque tube out for the bearing replacement. I've always been under the impression that the final placement of the zerk assured that the bearing would remain in correct alignment. Can you please explain that point further?
__________________
Alan
ford38v8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2018, 08:36 AM   #13
john in illinois
Senior Member
 
john in illinois's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,184
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

I agree with Larry that most bearings are ok. I used the process that Skip Haney recommended.

John
john in illinois is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2018, 08:39 AM   #14
19Fordy
Senior Member
 
19Fordy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Coral Springs FL
Posts: 10,930
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

HD Rider: Do a search on "Install torque Tube Center Bearing" and lots of info. appears.
I did replace mine.
19Fordy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2018, 11:28 AM   #15
deuce_roadster
Senior Member
 
deuce_roadster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Shelton, WA
Posts: 3,800
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

If you can find a local Ford Club guy with the KR Wilson tool it is pretty easy. I have the tools and if you lived in the area would be more then glad to show you how they work. It can get ugly if the rubber part is fused to the inside of the torque tube and you pull the bearing out but the rubber stays in. New, the bearing is inside a rubber doughnut with a hole to let grease into the bearing that must line up fairly close with the hole the grease fitting screws into.

Welcome to the forum, there are many 40 owners here and many have pickups.
deuce_roadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2018, 12:27 PM   #16
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

I am only able to comment on changing the original style center bearing with the hard rubber outer shell. Once the bearing has been pulled into position the friction between the rubber and the driveshaft housing is more than enough to prevent any movement. The zerk fitting threads into the housing and does not enter into the rubber bearing shell.
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2018, 12:36 PM   #17
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by ford38v8 View Post
Hi Larry, From my initial answer to the question, you can probably tell that I didn't have the tools nor the expert advice, and farmed my own torque tube out for the bearing replacement. I've always been under the impression that the final placement of the zerk assured that the bearing would remain in correct alignment. Can you please explain that point further?

I know that Skip Haney offers a replacement that is quite different from the original. I am not familiar with has product but perhaps he includes a longer version of the zerk fitting to lock his bearing into place. Someone may be able to comment on that.
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2018, 01:38 PM   #18
deuce_roadster
Senior Member
 
deuce_roadster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Shelton, WA
Posts: 3,800
Default Re: New Guy With a Question



Here is what the NOS bearing looks like. Note that the grease can get to the bearing if the line up isn't perfect.
I just installed one of these in my 40 coupe torque tube. I don't have any extras.
deuce_roadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2018, 11:12 PM   #19
mtflat
Senior Member
 
mtflat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Kalispell Montana
Posts: 344
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Howdy HD - I'm on the other side of the state.


Sounds like a great truck with family history - doubly cool.


Welcome!
mtflat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2018, 08:08 AM   #20
corvette8n
Senior Member
 
corvette8n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: 36 miles north of Albany NY
Posts: 2,949
Default Re: New Guy With a Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by HD Rider View Post
Thanks.
I would have tried to beat it out without removing the grease zerk.

I don't have a very good pic and can't seem to upload it. Maybe I don't have enough posts yet?
It is the truck that took my grandmother to the hospital when my dad was born.
Welcome to the barn, looks like you have great history with the truck. Pictures for this site can only be 800x600, I find if I crop a picture I can usually upload it, otherwise I run it through some software that converts it to that size.
corvette8n is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:31 AM.